Its hard to believe that Suzuki has a $36K (just direct conversion)sedan in its portfolio. Is it india special?? Because they dont have any takers outside. you can buy an Accura or a Lexus in that price in USA (and save a few grands too!!). Why everyone wants to exploit indians??
Re: Really!
by raphael chinnaraja on Feb 03, 2011 04:52 PM
If we exclude import duty the car cost would be around 8 lac but maruthi selling Sx4 for 8 lacs in india which has 1.3 litre engine
Re: Really!
by Chaya Pandyan on Feb 03, 2011 03:08 PM
Once, I was in UK based Co.
My Co. introduced expensive product, at UK rate. And gave us tough target. We asked to reduce the price. He explained us.
- Some Indians (Business, Sp. Baniyas) have lot of money. But no logical brain. - They do not have any respect for the country. - For some profit even they can sell their country (Even their wife & daughter - dirty joke.) - Appoint some good dealer they will sell the product at good profit. - Many Indian will just buy it because its from UK. - I was angry but others were enjoying.)
Re: Re: Really!
by Bharat on Feb 03, 2011 04:43 PM
As an Indian - stupidly enjoying joke, you are worse than the Baniyas. Stop talking this way - or stop calling yourself an Indian. We are better off in India without you.
Many learned Indians, including the media and some leaders harp about Indian being a potential superpower. Many held seminars and an ex-president even wrote a book. But how can you be a superpower if you do not give people incentive to work harder?
How can a car be a luxury in the 21st century? That too in a soon-to-be superpower? Yes there are people who would still not able to afford it and are struggling for food and shelter. But that does not mean you make it difficult for a salaried person or small businessman to enjoy these things.
So if in a super power, if someone has worked his way through school, college, struggled getting employment and worked hard for few years. If today this person can afford to spend few lakhs to buy car, why force him to buy a small car with less tax rate? Why cant he buy a bigger car with same money by reducing the tax on bigger cars? The rich are anyways going to buy it, why make it out of bounds for middle-class?
Re: Super power and perception of cars!!
by Varun on Feb 03, 2011 03:50 PM
Arent you confusing too many things. There are different levels of cars in India itself. India has the import duty to prevent dumping practices of these companies which are well documented. Let them setup manufacturing and the price goes down automatically. Don't see anything wrong with that. You mean in a super power everyone will be able to buy every car ?
Re: Re: Super power and perception of cars!!
by Mumbai Indian on Feb 03, 2011 08:02 PM
Varun, I think you read my post in a hurry. What I intended to say is that if I can buy 1 kg almonds for Rs.500, why should govt. say "oh he is eating almonds, which is luxury. so tax him 100%". so as a result now i get only half a kg of almonds for Rs. 500.
Above is just an example and nothing to do with almonds or their utility.
Or to simplify for you, if a pen can be bought for Rs.2, why over tax it make the same pen cost Rs.4?
Re: Re: Re: Super power and perception of cars!!
by Varun on Feb 04, 2011 10:34 AM
I am sorry but you are confusing things again. This is not a case where govt is imposing a luxury tax thinking it is a luxury and aam admi should not get it. A car manufactured outside India is not generating jobs in India. Hence the duty. Can i simplify it more for you ? pl let me know.
Re: Super power and perception of cars!!
by SG on Feb 03, 2011 02:26 PM
..its not a joke, rather its a disease or hallucination. All the writers or commentators know that the word "super-power" is very popular in India.
It will change perceptions among buyers about Suzuki. All that decide to buy it. But how many people will take to it due to the price tag is a big question. It is a very well built car and the only one with an all wheel drive option. Drivers car primarily.
Suzuki is not a top notch brand and they will not succeed in high segment. Better they should come out with another low price revolutionary car like Swift else Honda & Toyota will kill them there too.
Re: A sureshot flop
by Varun on Feb 03, 2011 11:58 AM
We will see. They do have the peoples perception barrier to get over. But they did get over it to an extent in US thanks to the recession. We will see how it goes here.
Re: Re: A sureshot flop
by Hoodibaba on Feb 03, 2011 01:07 PM
People in US think driving a Hyundai is cheap. Hyundai is 6th largest Auto manufacturer in the world.
Only time can say if Suzuki can scale up in Build and Quality, Reliability
Re: Re: Re: A sureshot flop
by Varun on Feb 03, 2011 03:52 PM
well they used to. Now it is not the same anymore. Sonata is one of the best cars out there in its segment as voted by consumers. I believe Suzuki is trying to go the same route and it will take time.
There is no use of high power in any of the metro cities.
You will not get any extra comfort or luxory in any of these cars. They could not provide more leg space or more cozy seats.
When one has to sit in his for 1 to 2 hours, mostly in traffic jams, any car such as Honda City or SX4 or even swift Dzire will do.
Chances are very high that an auto rickshow or loading rickshow or India taxi will touch your vehicle & have a scratch. It will be very sad moment to have a scrath on your 17 lac vehicle.
Re: Do not waste your money
by shambhu on Feb 03, 2011 12:47 PM
Abhijit,
Your view would be well taken by middle class utility minded people. But those having millions in savings don't bother a bit while buying high end cars. And why should they !!
Re: Re: Re: Do not waste your money
by vatsal vakharia on Feb 03, 2011 04:46 PM
arre Hummer belongs to some other class.....there is no comparison with this maruti top end model
Don't fall for this cheap car by shelling out 17 lakhs. Its real price is only 8 lakhs in the USA. Its because of the 110% import duty here in India it costs double of what it would in the rest of the world. It means, out of the 17 lakhs you pay, 8 lakhs goes to maruti suzuki and remaining 8 lakhs goes to the Indian govt. But due to the high price some people might think its a luxury car but do realise that the high price is due to the import duties on CBU imported cars and not because of features or performance. This rediff article is misleading us as they are paid by maruti to advertise and give publicity for the car
Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Kungfu Panda on Feb 03, 2011 11:51 AM
even cars like Honda accord and Honda CRV are just average cars costing around 10-12 lakhs in the USA. As it is fully imported in India we are having to shell out more than 20 lakhs for these inferior cars here. It is passed off as a luxury car in India which is a big joke. The irony is in rich countries the cars come cheaper whereas in poor countries like India the ridiculous import rules make it impossible for people who don't have black money to buy good cars. The same goes for sport bikes like Yamaha R1, Hayabusa and other bikes which cost twice as much as in the USA. The India govt is ripping off its own people. Its daylight robbery and criminal waste to buy these cars unless you are filthy rich
Re: Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Varun on Feb 03, 2011 11:52 AM
Look the system is there to prevent dumping. Let these guys manufacture it here and then reduce the price. Dont shell out your cash till all companies do that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Mumbai Indian on Feb 03, 2011 01:43 PM
So what have you to say when Maruti,Tata and Mahindra export cars and trucks? Should the importing countries also impose 110% duty and make it difficult for them to sell there?
Boss, if someone makes the car cheaper somewhere else in the world, pays resonable import duty and still beats local mfg hand-on for pricing and quality, you should appreciate it and not support pathetic govt. regulations.
For that matter, why do you by mobile phones then? Or USB internet devices? How many of them are actually manufactured in India?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Varun on Feb 03, 2011 03:56 PM
That is for those countries to decide.
Boss, what is stopping them to do it even now ? tell me. Where does govt say that they cant price it low ?. There are regulations related to pollution and other norms which make it difficult to achieve it. The reason import duty is there is the dumping practices followed by these big boys. It is well documented. They come in and wipe out the local industry. Why do you want to give your hard earned money to someone living in another country ? Why dont we circulate it here and create jobs ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Kungfu Panda on Feb 03, 2011 12:21 PM
the system is there to protect the incompetancy of India automobile manufacturers. since we lack the technology to make world class cars the govt imposes heavy tax on imported cars to discourage its citizens from buying foreign cars and making their companies and countries richer. If Honda CRV would not have import duties it would cost the same as a tata safari. who would buy it then. The Indian companies like ambassador and tatas are benefitting from these as there are able to sell thier inferior cars at a lower price then their competitors because of the govt policies.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Varun on Feb 03, 2011 03:59 PM
cbrcoder is right. I used to feel bad about the same issue. But when i learned the real reasons, i can see the long term benefits.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by cbrcoder@rediffmail.com on Feb 03, 2011 01:13 PM
I disagree. The system is here so local people get employment and benefits too. A CBU doesn't generate any job in INDIA and doesn't contribute in any way to the economy except wasting precious foreign currency. So it is right practice to keep is highly taxed to keep it under check.
Re: Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Kungfu Panda on Feb 03, 2011 11:55 AM
maruti having the largest network of assembling plants, dealers and service centres, spares across India should have shown the way by building this car locally or as a CKD unit. It would have become much affordable and could have been priced for under 15 lakhs. It would beaten the sales of Accord, Skoda Superb and Camry black and blue and it would have forced them to rethink their pricing and start their own production cum assembling plants here thereby making their cars cheaper. Instead maruti has chosen to follow the same route as others by importing Kizashi and making it unaffordable to middle class people
Re: kizashi is way overpriced in India
by Varun on Feb 03, 2011 11:53 AM
It is a luxury car but very highly priced due to CBU. Same applies for the Hondas and Toyotas. They are all overpriced in India.
