rediff...your articles are so confusing...just the other day you mentioned india is emerging as healthy nation..the best among other asian countries..and lots of goddies about india and for last few days i see your articles..they are just contradictory..are you trying to keep the reader in constant confusion
Indian is a poor country where unemployment rate is very high thus limited jobs are being contested ferociously, any way not going by statistics you and i know that today in India women have more job opportunity in every field then men as for education there is no infrastructure(schools near home) and law and order situation is not conducive for women/girls to travel long distances safely on daily basis.
People may disagree, BUT Woman is not required to go out and find work in order to sustain herself; her men-folk should provide for her unconditionally, in return for her carrying out certain responsibilities within the family.
Her career outside the house is expected to be second to her highly esteemed job of nurturing her children to be successful humans.
UPA Chairman, Speaker, President, Chief Minister and all at the Capital City. What extra yard stick is required to give the no.one position to India in gender equiality!
Re: Statistics
by Radhika Potanam on Oct 16, 2010 01:09 PM
Hello, they all are and have been chamchas of Nehru-Gandhi dynasty and therefore in these positions. Their emancipation is no yard stick of gender equality in India. Open your eyes and be realistic. I am surprised that India is on 112th position, it should have been a notch or two above Pakistan.
Re: Re: Statistics
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 02:51 PM
Your very existence proves the high level of emancipation of India.
India is not just about some small villages in UP, it consists of both rural & urban areas. In today's India, women have a much better life than even 15 years ago and I mean the villages.
Again, I haven't visited UP, but in a 500 population village in WB (Van class IV Town), right next to Bangla Border, there are women teaching in the village school and earning more than their farmer husbands! These women have a much greater say in their house than their mothers in law, just a generation ago. That doesn't mean we have arrived, but we have embarked on the journey.
why does not the rediff board rank india last in every perimiter and be done with.social issues defer from country to country acording to their culture.india is multicultural and so is impossible to be generally ranked on anything.the ratings are doen mainly by obscure agencies from the west and boards like rediff lap it up.
And the worse is that I see a developing trend...guys who consider themselves modern and want their wives to work..are jst greedy hypocrites...at least in my community...guys living in metro cities exepct that their wives earn, give all the money to them and also do all domestic work nd look after kids and the guys with so much more physical strength should have peace and rest after office.
Re: Women you earn, do household, look after kids, I manage ur mo
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 12:59 PM
This is a hangover of our patriarchial society. It is changing but very slowly.
With time, men will respect women enough to share in the work and responsibilities along with the authority and power.
Man and Women are not equal as GOD has created them differently; Each of them are created for different purpose and we should not try to equate them; Now the question is what does equality means in that sense? God has created man with more physical strength and women with more tenderness; Based on this the society has divided the work i.e. Man works outside for bread and butter which requires more strength and women works to handle the home affairs and upbringing of children which requires more affection. The problem arises when we consider one work is better than other; Since Man's work fetches him money and fame; it is being considered as better; This is where the problem is, we have started giving preference to the Worldly matrials. In actuality Women's work to be considered better as upbringing of child, developing good character in child, taking care of home are good moral work;
So the problem is when the world will come out of the grisp of the material things automatically every one will enjoy equal rights.
Re: Man and Women cannot be equal
by VOICE on Oct 15, 2010 10:23 AM
I am sitting at office. Handling orders...taking phone calls...making reports..presentations.Where is the physical work? A housewife is sweeping, mopping , washing utensils, carrying children, cooking....too much of physical work. Men in today's middle class in small cities and towns do not have to go for hunting boss and in villages where men go for farming...poor women also do farming..they do not have luxary of sitting at home..they come back and also do all household chores.You will forget all about whats moral/imoral work when you have to work like a slave without any money power.
Re: Re: Man and Women cannot be equal
by Optimus on Oct 16, 2010 12:35 PM
@voice as a male, agree with u ..luks like Oye Kake has not experienced wat his mom is going through, he is still like his forefather's mentality or may be he is living in under developed zone.
I respect my mom and all other women who's r earning bread n butter for their children as well as looking after their husband.
I last visited US 10 years ago. However, what I saw there, in close interactions with at least a couple of dozen families, was that most people stay married to one partner for decades and frequently till death.
However, there are people who divorce and marry every 2 - 5 years. So in a sample of five couples, there are four that have been married once and not divorced, and there's one couple that has divorced thrice before and now are in their fourth marraige. So in our control set of five couples, we have nine marraiges and three divorces, i.e. 30% divorce rate. We interpret this to mean that one of every three marraiges ends in divorce in the West etc.
Secondly, the media always focusses on whether Pamela Anderson is marrying that Rock Star Ex & Present Husband of her again or not, for the umpteenth time, which is natural, no one wants to know what her maid servant is doing, but that's not how the common folk, the majority live.
Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Radhika Potanam on Oct 16, 2010 01:20 PM
Your analysis is based on wrong presumptions. Survey samples are not collected the way you did. If I go with your yard-stick then I know at least 12 couples in USA who have been married for more than 30 years and some still are. Should I say that in MY control sample the divorce rate is almost nil? The survey samples are taken randomly in a scientific manner and generally have error margin with /- 3%. Don't denigrate a research or study without having proper knowledge of the subject.
Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 02:30 PM
Thanks for the 101 on market surveys. I worked for five years in an FMCG company.
Now, in YOUR control sample the divorce rate is almost nil, is that a wrong statement? In what way?
Let me turn around this question a bit, the people you know have been married for 30 years, the people I know have been married for 30 years, and yet their country's got a 50% divorce rate? So the people we know, must be as rare as three eye freaks right?
Knowledge of the subject? We live in the Google century, await my response ....
Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 02:58 PM
First marraige 41% divorce, wow. So we met the other 59%. Hmm, sounds reasonable.
I'm surprised though, I thought it would be a lot lesser.
Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 13, 2010 02:21 PM
Did you asked those couple of families how many extra-martial affairs they had???????? These western people always advertise themselves as best!!!!! you can't really trust them. all those long lasting marriages in west are most of the time just dramas... or they don't want to pay huge money after divorce. Wake up my friend stop beieving waste!!! If you are staying out of India for long time then there is a tendency to appreciate west even if there is nothing to appreciate except beautiful roads and buildings. wake up!!!! stop drinking in the morning... that shows how much Indian thoughts you have.
Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 12:35 PM
How have you formed your Indian thoughts?
I've formed mine after reading Munshi Premchand, Tagore, Bhagwad Gita & Pu. La., among others. I also read contemporary authors like Ram Charan, but he does not write about any one specific country. I've personally travelled through around 70% of India, met people, interacted.
In my trip to the US, I was a small person in a team of stalwarts. The leader, now unfortunately no more with us, hailed from a district headquarters in India, he was a Ph.D & had at least another four important degrees and spoke fluent English. I recall him spending a lot of his time convincing the Americans, at various places, that the town he belonged to (I guess it would have a population of around 5 lacs) had superb systems and processes, and went onto explain various aspects of that town's municiplality.
Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by delamourd Annbu on Oct 16, 2010 12:07 PM
Well Said : West is only chit , that is why they eat so much of drugs to forget the times when they had Colonial Empires to serve them !!!
Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by lover boy on Oct 14, 2010 10:01 PM
Looking at your hate and disdain for westerners and PIO's, I am sure you have never been to Western world or experience the western lifestyle... is it a case of sour grapes?
Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Radhika Potanam on Oct 16, 2010 01:26 PM
I agree with you. All the above comments are typical Indian, keeping own eyes closed and parroting what Indian Netas have been telling. We have not progressed much because we don't want or like to see our shortcomings and remove them. It's very convenient to denigrate the West to conceal our own weaknesses in the name of so-called culture.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 02:57 PM
What culture, creatures like Umesh pick up their culture from Ramesh Sippy movies and Ekta Kapoor serials. The idiots take Mughal (read Islamic) concept of Hayya & Victorian prudishness and call the hotch potch Indian culture! Ask them about any Indian work of art / literature and the cat'll get their tongue.
They're just undereducated and stupid, no different from their counterparts in the US or Afghanistan. If it requires thought, please keep it away from me.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 17, 2010 10:45 PM
Argumentative Indian, Although this page in not for commenting on each other but you started it.... and so my reply.
You are making all assumptions and guess about a person you have not understood completely... that shows how much literate and intellectual you are. Please stop drinking in the morning and then read those gr8 books you mentioned one more time.. then travel around India one more time and then come back and comment here. I have met many obsessed-by-west people like you who take the support of these books to prove their Indianness. India has faced big troubles in history only due to people of your metality who just want to satisfy their own egos and needs. It is really good if virtual and fake Indians like you can go and stay in west forever or hang themselves!!
I initially looked at you as a real balanced thinking person but I was wrong.... your all study and travelling had gone waste man... Study things with right and good mind. West and India are two completely different thought system. You can not understand India without removing the your western cover from your mind and brains. You can't apply your western logic in understanding Bhagvat-Geeta.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 17, 2010 10:58 PM
Radhika Madam, It is also possible that you are just following west with your eyes closed and your brain is washed away!! To understand all those comments you need mind reading skills. Knowing our own weakness is good but then after that what you do is more inportant!!!! what people like you do is just go to west and announce all those Indian problem with doing anything useful in India. On top of that you feel proud of that.
Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 15, 2010 12:56 AM
Although its not necessary to prove if I had been to west.... I had spent a lot of time in both USA as well as different parts of Europe including west and east europe. But from your comment I understood how deeply Indian people are running after west while hating all Indian things. Tell me what so much wrong India has done to you or all anti-Indian Indians here??????? This country has given you an opportunity to educate and think freely!!!! and people are using their learned brains to curse this land. Indian have strength but also a gr8 tolerance to all kinds of people. Go back and see present and past Europe.. you will find those are lands of wild animals hungry for money and position in the world. For your information I had hours long discussions and fight with Europeans in there own country. I have more than 20 European friends despite of my dislikings for europeans... thats Indian way. After understanding thier white ways of doing dirty things I started looking at my own Indian people for why and what reason they are so much in love with west. Only thing that present Indian need to learn from west is discipline in work and technology and may be one or two more. Rest all India has. But fundamentally we Indians are not as crazy and materialistic as westerns and thats why we are in a strange middle state where we are trying to do those things which are not in our blood. Mind you its only India which is going to cure unstable and unsatisfied brains and minds of west.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Truth BeTold on Oct 15, 2010 06:47 AM
Umesh you are shallow, you dont have grasp of realities and how world works. Indians are not materialistic because they never had enough wealth to indulge while west has been rich for a long time now. Look at the current generation and you will see how materialistic they are. Man, you are one ignorant guy.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 12:37 PM
A nursery rhyme for you:
"Pussycat Pussycat, where have you been? I've been to London to see the Queen Pussycat Pussycat what did you do there? I frightened a little mouse beneath the Queen's chair"
Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Truth BeTold on Oct 15, 2010 06:45 AM
Yeah Umesh, you are right, we should stay in India and appreciate the pungent smell and potholed roads, 6 hour power cuts and 2 hours a day water supply. Then ofcourse we can appreciate the great Indian culture.
Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 15, 2010 06:11 PM
I know the realities and how todays folks think and thats why I am trying my bit to convince that we need to do something instead of just cursing our own land. Suicide is punishable similarly cursing once own motherland needs to be punishable. This is an abuse of right for free speech and violation of privilage of free thinking. I may be shallow with no grasp of realities but I know I am not doing anything wrong. :) keep smiling and have nice time. bye bye
Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Optimus on Oct 16, 2010 12:45 PM
@truthbetold no country is perfect, usko perfect banana padhta hai ...tell me how much bribe u paid to traffic police officer instead of taking receipt for not wearing sit belt or how bribe u paid to ticket conductor for not buying ticket..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 12:52 PM
I have never sat in my car without wearing a seat belt, I value my life, not the threat of some traffic havaldar.
I work hard to earn money, pay my taxes on time, contribute to NGOs, both money and time. I am building my India, with my own hands.
BTW, I also live as well as most middle class Europeans, only I can't have a glass of wine at breakfast on weekdays, firstly because I'll lose my job and secondly its stupid because our climes are much warmer!
Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 12:41 PM
Truth be Told, this Umesh is sickening, and what I dilike about such people is that with their low IQ, lack of logic, they provoke other, rational & intelligent people, just forget them.
I would like to add to what you said about India. Leave aside rocking metropolis' like Pune, Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore. I was recently in Eastern India, Koklata, then in cities of Jharkhand. I was amazed at the smooth roads, and much less power cuts. India is improving, the common people are getting better opportunities.
It is no longe a potholed, pungent smelling country, it is now truly a developing country. We have a long way to go, no doubt, but we have embarked on a journey.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Radhika Potanam on Oct 16, 2010 01:36 PM
Well said but did you go to Lucknow or any other UP town? If not then go and see that you will nauseate. Big cities and Kolkata are not the only cities in India and some development here and there does not speak of the country's development. Have you already forgotten about CWG corruption in the glitter of the gold medals won by our hard-working athletes and players. Come out of your old, stale patriotic mind-set and be realistic, man!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Myth of High Divorce Rates
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 16, 2010 04:32 PM
Now you are appreciating India :) Thats what I wanted to see on this page. If you observe all the people here were talking against India as if it is a hell!!! thank you for your replys and suggestions.. surely they will help me to understand the realities better.
As long as there are balanced thinking people like you are in India... India will shine day by day no worries.
Firstly, I understand Gender Equality as equality of meaningful opportunities. NOT biological equality - thats a no brainer, or equality of meaningless opportunities, like for e.g. Truck Drivers, I mean, which kid aspires to be a Truck Driver when it grows up, regardless of Male or Female, its a tough, average paying, family life challenging profession.
Otherwise, in areas of employment, like private industry, teaching, banking, films, you name it and Indian women are doing well. In education, girls are faring better than boys.
In these Nordic countries and in the US, women are traditionally seen as subservient to men, so a woman winning there is unnatural, though common. In India, we look upon women as equal, generally, so having a woman boss is no worse or better than having a male boss.
India also exists in different cultures and time frames. So there are areas of India, influenced by external cultures, chiefly Muslim (from the Mughals) & Victorian Britain. In these families, and they could be Hindu, Muslim, Sikh or Christian, due to the time warp, economic challenges & less education, women are still not treated equal. At times subtly, with restrictions on fun but freedom to pursue career and some times overtly through dowry, Gotra blah blah blah.
Re: India has very high Gender Equality - with some exceptions
by Bad Man on Oct 13, 2010 01:14 PM
Ineducation,gals are NOT faring better than boys.Go to IITs and find out the % of gals.
Re: Re: India has very high Gender Equality - with some exception
by lover boy on Oct 14, 2010 10:05 PM
Ok now that you have made the IIT your bench mark, when was last time you saw the outcome of the board examinations for SSC and HSC?
Your statement is based on assumption that both guys and girls have same opportunity to appear for IIT.
Re: Re: India has very high Gender Equality - with some exception
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 12:31 PM
On a lighter note, IITs are captive "Engineer Production Facilties" for the US, so % of girls there does not affect gender equality in India:)).
Just joking guys, I have all the respect for IITs.
list of breeds that deserve existence in earth Iceland, Norway, Finland, Sweden, New Zealand, Ireland, Denmark, Switzerland are almost there in all top rating
Re: Europe best place in earth
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 13, 2010 12:36 PM
Yes. These are beautiful countries. Even the weather is great. I like the cold, you can dress up well, and best of all, have your first glass of wine at breakfast!
Re: Europe best place in earth
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 13, 2010 05:43 PM
We are no one to decide we deserves what..... rate of suicides is highest in those northic countries like Norway. they have their own problems. we Indians forget our problems when go to Europe and USA and start feeling those are gr8 places. that is just a illusion. stop following west!!!! understand India better.
Re: Re: Europe best place in earth
by ravi kumar on Oct 14, 2010 08:48 AM
India people die out of hunger. Lets stop and appreciate for what these countries have done to their women forlks. The countries sighted above have best women participation in the work force. No doubt they are on the top of every list concerning their prosperity. In india there are people who just like to criticise. Rate of suicide is because sun is not available in those countries in major part of the year. The situation does become gloomy and thus the suicide rate!!! One has to appreciate good things. China has double the PPP per capita income than india because in china participation of women in work force is very high. If not learn from our own stalwarts like vivekananda and other people who have said the same thing. Just being a chauvinist thug won't help anyone. Need is to learn good things and support the cause.
Re: Re: Re: Europe best place in earth
by Umesh Chavan on Oct 14, 2010 12:50 PM
All those countries are top in surveys becoz they have extremely low population!! The gegeral mind set of people is very self centred and materialistic and thats the reason they are top on list.. be it any kind of survey it points to how much money people have which in turn depends on how many people you have. At the root there is no gr8 country like India and no gr8 people like Indians. Current is just a result of years of ruling by west and other powers and population explosion. What we can learn from west is only the discipline in work and technology. but people here are hating whatever is Indian. wake up my friend... stop follwoing west in every aspect. We Indians are admiring those countries becoz we are good at our heart!!! but what we need to do is also understand the west in real sense before we become like them.
Re: Re: Europe best place in earth
by Argumentative Indian on Oct 16, 2010 12:55 PM
Umesh, maybe their population is under control because of high suicide rates? This needs to be analysed further.
Also maybe there is no stringent punishment for suicide, like in India, if you Suicide, you will go to jail. So many people maybe suiciding in Norway. I think we should send our most respectable ministers to teach these fellows, no?
