The corrupt politicians in connivance with profiteering businessmen and MNCs are out to sell country for kickbacks.India is having only 1500sq yards per person of agriculture land of which only 1200 sq yards per person can be utilised.Any fool can see that in such small land even one person's all the requirements of agro product like wheat ,cotton,rice,spices and so on can never be met for one year.It means even today more than 70% of people are going without these items.After 1 decade 15 crore more people will be added.There will be civil war for food itself forget other things. It is criminal act of mayawati to have agreed for the project.Stop cajoling farmers too much.A large number of them are good for nothing fellows.By giving so much incentives we are spoiling the interest in farming which will further create problems in India.Are our politicians gone mad or have no brain at all including MM Singh, the fraudulent economist and expert and a capitalist stooge.If you look at pictures of obama visit you can easily spot Singh smiling and self pleased like a child just found his lost father
Re: Stop converting agriculture land for such projects
by Ramesh on Nov 14, 2010 11:27 PM
In 1900, 90 percent of India was under forest cover, today it is less than 15 percent. The biggest factor is rapid agri-land expansion, even into flood prone zones. This has upset the ecological balance, silted our rivers and dams, led to depletion in ground water reserve while yields remain poor. Our per acre yield is less than 1/3 of Chinese, even less compared to US.
What India needs is deep contraction in agri-land, along with better management and investment of agri-inputs. This will enable better water utilization, release land for urban infrastructure and forestry, while yield gains shall increase total production.
We need to expand industrial base and obtain rapid productivity gains for doing so by investing rapidly in infrastructure. MM Singh estimates 1 trillion Dollar are needed.
The agri-rural sector has about 70 percent population with about 20 percent of GDP, continuation of this trend shall only perpetuate poverty. Needed is rapid industrialisation with help of developed nations to facilitate influx of migration to blue collar semi-skilled and skilled work force in urban and semi-urban settings. It will increase their family earnings multi-fold.
Hon CM of UP must be complimented for practical and humane approach to enabling this much needed infrastructure. Extension of Delhi mega city to UP region would be a great enabler of widespread industrialisation of UP.
Re: Re: Stop converting agriculture land for such projects
by Ramesh on Nov 15, 2010 12:24 AM
Investments by US, Japan and EU nations into Indian manufacturing can lead to 500 billion to 1 trillion worth exports each year in about a decade from now. Taking the thumb rule of 6 percent for direct wages, the exports alone will sustain direct employment of about 1 crore workforce. With domestic demand taken the number easily triples to 3 crores. The income from manufacturing will easily sustain double that number in service, retail and other tertiary sectors. So atleast 9 crore employment opportunities can be created by responding favourably to opportunities the visit of Prez Obama has made politically feasible. The actual realisation of this vast potential depends on how our democracy responds to create the goodwill and policy feasibility.
Hopefully, wiser counsel will prevail amongst well meaning people like Rajendra Gupta to respond with due consideration to emerging realities.
China had a similar opportunity which presented itself after 1971 and they made good use of it. India however must also learn from the pitfalls and mistakes done in Chinese approach and encourage union rights to give workers their due from very beginning and ensure long term investments get made on the basis of workable market economy based linkages.
The policy and legal issues associated with this gigantic effort is humongous and it will need best of Indian minds to handle it well, and capabilities to do so certainly exists.
Re: Re: Re: Stop converting agriculture land for such projects
by Anand Tamariya on Nov 15, 2010 12:43 PM
I think you are missing the fundamentals. US has richer farmers than India has white collar employees. If economic prosperity is the aim, it can be achieved through modernization of agriculture. But no amount of money can satisfy your basic need for food. Rapid industrialization, as in the case of China, has severely affected the Chinese landscape. The cultivable land in China has reduced much more in last decade than in a century. If the situation isn't corrected soon, food would become unaffordable and people's survival would be at risk.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Stop converting agriculture land for such project
by Ramesh on Nov 15, 2010 07:09 PM
Ok bit more details. We need to increase yields and scope for tripling it exists, also crop, fruit, vegetable wasteage due to poor storage, transport and processing facilities is very high.
Yields will need land consolidation, which implies largescale exit of small farmers i.e. number of farmers working on farmlands got to reduce dramatically while intensification of technology and agri-equipments, agri-science guidance inputs,agri-industrial processing need to take place to make more food available to Indians.
The Chinese route to agri success in Deng era was moving away from collectives to private farming, Indian route is going to be quite different. India, thanks to its many river basins has far more agri-yeild potential than China, though presently we produce less than half thier production with lot more people and larger farm area.
Re: Stop converting agriculture land for such projects
by MANGESH JOSHI on Nov 10, 2010 10:47 PM
Very good analysis Sir. Most of the poeple who react in such threads are concerned about wellbeing of the farmers who own the lands. How ever the real concern is about diminishing farming sector. The land under cultivation is decreasing as the current generation of farmers is giving up farming for want of some fast buck. There will be no land left for their successors to do farming on. & probably they will not want too. This is the real tragedy of the biggest agriculture based country in the world.The multithreaded economy is based on agricultural output every year. If that itself is buckled who will guarantee the success of overall economy of the nation ? We are ruining our future by own work & preparing graveyards for our next ghenerations by keeping silence on this politico - business- farmer nexus.
Re: Stop converting agriculture land for such projects
by jay b on Nov 10, 2010 10:24 PM
Factful and thought provoking. 100 % agreed . ONLY non agricultural land should be allowed to be utilised for such projects . Even if some part of agricultural land is used there should be an equivalent area of land allocated nearby which can be converted to cultivable land else food shortage is expected in the near and far term.
UP's R&R policy is copied from one implemented by Haryana in 2005, that too with only in bits & pieces.
And Haryana Govt. has notified even better policy yday...with much higher benchmarks for anybody to even think, leave aside implementing in their state...
Re: lesson for Mamata :-(
by Shibasish Roy on Nov 10, 2010 09:43 PM
It seems that the tata nano project will change the West Bengal. If so Undivided Bihar would have been developed than USA or Japan as there were several Tata Projects even before Independence.
Re: Re: Re: lesson for Mamata :-(
by Anand Tamariya on Nov 15, 2010 12:31 PM
"best city in Bihar/Jharkhand" is a relative comparison. City should perform at an absolute level. Jamshedpur doesn't stand up to Tier-II cities like Pune, Mysore.
This is good settlement by UP Govt. Though it is well decide by farmer itself countinu production of farm product worth every year compare to compensation of avg Rs 30,000/acre for 33 years with Rs 185000 earn income job gaurantee for the affected family 7% of land for their residence purpose. This will help local person to stay at the same village as land for house, 5 years gaurantee for Rs 185000 job & can get compensation for land which the farmer can keep it up for any purpose they can use. Only one thing need to be assured by the govt that acquirer company going to pay agrred compensation for 33 years w/o any interruption whwthwe company may exist or not? Also one thing missing for the farmer to get loan at 0 % interest to build their homes with minimum criteria & maximum cap for that.
Our political parties are very very cunning fellows. Their first job is how in which way money will come. Whatever country or contry people go to hell no bother about. NEW PROJECT MORE MONEY. They have to get back 10000s times whatever they had spent in election and they have to spent in next election. How they will distribute rs 500/-per head? Swiss bank is safe heaven for keeping money. Our people never understand our dirty politicians. EVEN GOD cannot save this country from this politicians
Re: if India wants to become UNSC pemanent member
by Rajaram on Nov 11, 2010 10:04 AM
india??????corruption free??????stop day dreaming mr hari...say that once more and i will have the laugh of my life.....
It sounds good but to get that amount after first instalment from government passing through all the officers will result in suicide of farmers; In fact one time payment is better but i am sure atleast 30% will be certainly deducted before the amount reaches the farmers.
