Re: Industrial Design Centre
by HemRuchi Shah on Jun 17, 2009 09:10 AM
totally agree with u juny! it takes a lot of hard work and sacrifice on ones part to be here. all these guys are just not cut out for hard work.
If you are brilliant... fly off to other country baby... because
India as an Indian is successful... BUT India as a country is a HUGE failure due to our pseudo industrial policies and pathetic politics which goes against growth and with poverty... INDIA AS A COUNTRY SUCKS WHERE ISLAMIC THEORIES MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PROGRESS OF THE COUNTRY
Re: If you are brilliant
by ashish netam on Jun 16, 2009 04:03 PM
Why did your parents give name BHARAT bhusan to you ? Just because to listen this crap..... if cant do any thing then please dont sh** also.
Re: If you are brilliant
by Rahul Oberoi on Jun 16, 2009 03:58 PM
Yeah and be a clerk/code monkey in some other country and come back here on rediff forums to give gyaaan to the rest of the country.
How many of these whizkids inventions have finally seen the light of the day ?
Why IIT students and IIM students excel is they undertake innovative and practical projects for their thesis work. Unfortunately most of the other Engineering Students work for couple of months and do project work for namesake. I was in charge of International Relations at Danish Centre for Renewable Energy in Denmark where undergraduate students from Europe used to come for their practicum (6 months) and for their thesis (6 months). I was amazed to find one German undergraduate designed a Wind Turbine of 1 KW from concept to commissioning with in a year. So in the undergraduate Engineering courses in India project work can be for at least for 6 months as was the case when there was 5 years undergraduate course in the past. Where the mind is led forward by Thee into ever-widening thought and action – Education, innovation and creativity are the ultimate driving forces for the continuous advancement of scientific knowledge and material accomplishment.
Re: Most of the IITians and IIMians are exceptional
by RAMESH MAKILI on Jun 16, 2009 04:02 PM
Dr.Konda Jagadeesh,dont copy Ravindranath Tagore poem. "Where the mind without fear".In India most of the project work is ctrl"c" and ctrl "v"...like the way copied from Ravindranath Tagore.People are doing Phds and Doctarates in the thesis whose practical applicability is zero...no use..its crap...
Re: Most of the IITians and IIMians are exceptional
by Jeeva Muruganantham on Jun 16, 2009 03:50 PM
Mr.Jagadeesh,
Who has to be blamed? We can neither blame the politicians nor the society. We have to blame ourselves. Engineering Education has become a profitable business. The ROI is assured and risk free. Hence lot of politicians started Engineering colleges and 5 year course had been truncate to 4 years and so on. Students are directed to study advanced and specialised areas stright away and the emphasis for basics is diminishing. There could be several other reasons too.
Re: Re: Most of the IITians and IIMians are exceptional
by srinivasan mv on Jun 16, 2009 03:55 PM
Find out from the Engineering colleges, how many of them are serious abuot their studies. How many of them are coming to college just because the government gives them reservation and grants. I know people waste valuable seats in Engineering and MBBS course. They pursue, leave in the middle or do not practise after their education.
Re: Most of the IITians and IIMians are exceptional
by vivekanand mallick on Jun 16, 2009 03:52 PM
it is true iit,iim are far better in all respect to other institute & unversities
Re: Re: Most of the IITians and IIMians are exceptional
by RAMESH MAKILI on Jun 16, 2009 04:11 PM
I dont think IITs and IIMs are great.Howmany patents they have for the products they have designed when u compared to MIT,Stanford,Princeton.These institutes are just placement agencies which produce some scarap students who make their fortune in other country..and whose product value in India is zero.Denmark,Sweden,Norway,Finlad..Germany and Gapan these countries dont have very good reputed and IIT kind of colleges and universities yet they are designing world class products what we are importing today most of the machnery in marine sector are from these countries.If any one agree with me or not,Germany and Gapan dont have world class business schools yet the world still learing from Japanese Management.So IITs and IIMs are good for nothing unless they design or create great world class products...not simply churning out graudtaes who will end their doing run on mill kind of jobs
Re: Re: Re: Most of the IITians and IIMians are exceptional
by barun bera on Jun 16, 2009 05:41 PM
It is misplaced when we say IITs/IIMs are not producing world class. As such everybody is comparing them with universities of the 1st world. In comparison to those institutes, the comments may be OK. But do not forget that when an iitan goes for higher study in those colleges, he certainly competes with them at par and earns his merit on equal footing. The education at iits are definitely har superior to any other institutes of India.I am not saying there are no better students in any other colleges but those are mostly exception. Regarding innovation, please note that it is an all-rounfd process which not only involves the student & college but also the industries and patrons. Our country does not encourage the trend of innovation probably because this requires lots of money and hell amount of risk. If one does not get the chance of trying his idea from a sponsor, it is obvious that his enthu also would die down. I have no statictix at this moment to show how many iitians are successful as an inventor for different products but it is accepted by Bill Gates in his address in global IIT meet of 2001 that iits have offered his organisation most of the amazing brains. By criticising the best institutes of the country, we may express our anguish about the lack of indian achieverments in inventions, but even to aspire like this, our hope must have come from the foundation of good name generated by few decades of commendable performance by IITians.
Re: Re: Re: Most of the IITians and IIMians are exceptional
by SHAAN on Jun 16, 2009 04:42 PM
VERY VERY WELL SAID,I WANTED TO PUT THESE WORD BUT YOU SAID IT. THANKS
Such events have been goin on and on since I remember as an Engineering student way back in 1970's. Whee are we today ? None of our innovations find market in India. Every time people look for imported stuff. To put it simply, Do you know solar power was under development back in 1960's ? HAL had produced trainers crafts in 1960's ? Alcohol-Petrol mix was successfully developed in 1980's ? Where are these efforts now ?
Re: showmanship and no more
by Vira on Jun 16, 2009 03:43 PM
I guess answer to your question is viability. In otherwords, those ideas which make economic sense only see the light of the day in market. Like for instance the solar energy. The cost of production of solar panels is so high that even today inorder to recover your investment it would take anywhere between 15 and 20 years - that assuming zero maintanance and damage.
Similarly, Alcohol petrol mix - there is a safety issue . It may work perfectly fine as a proof of concept but not so under normal ( uncontrolled ) conditions. Not sure about the trainer aircrafts at HAL. But sure it is the same case - cost of production versus output/safety.
Re: Re: showmanship and no more
by Farooq Khan on Jun 16, 2009 03:44 PM
Will you provide adequate funding for it to me ?? "you can only get this much in lieu of tiny amount(money)"
Re: showmanship and no more
by Bharat Bhushan on Jun 16, 2009 03:46 PM
India as an Indian is successful... BUT India as a country is a HUGE failure due to our pseudo industrial policies and pathetic politics which goes against growth and with poverty... INDIA AS A COUNTRY SUCKS WHERE ISLAMIC THEORIES MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE PROGRESS OF THE COUNTRY
Re: Good job guys
by Janit Vora on Jun 16, 2009 03:37 PM
o yes they have....they use the tax payers money to study and join MNCs to do their dirty work......its such a pathetic system that most of the engineers passing out of IITs join management consultancy firms. Their education is subsidised as they are expected to provide technical expertise to the country. Management consultancies should not be allowed on any technical institute's campus.
