The aim of the people in India is when i grow up i need to go to USA.I'm ready to do any job in USA.Time for that attitude need to change.Use the Indian brain for India.All our top IIT,IIM etc graduate are living in India one they complate their education,they study with gov. money ones complate the studies they don't want to work for India.
RE:time to change
by Amit Verma on May 23, 2007 08:02 PM
I do agree with the that brain drain ratio is gone down yet most of youngester deam of going to USA.havent understood why I was there for about 3 years and realised my own country is mine. donot know how much it make sence...to other by this
RE:time to change
by Laker on May 23, 2007 08:39 PM
By the way the quality of Indians coming to U.S has dropped down drastically over the past few years. I see all the dumbasses with no proper education coming to U.S and all the good ones are staying in India. Very soon we will see reverse outsourcing from India to U.S because of this.
RE:time to change
by Riya Bharadwaj on May 23, 2007 06:49 PM
JAcob
FYI. There are many IIM/IITians who have not followed the path that you 've mentioned.I know of many IIM/IITians who have left cushy jobs and have started NGOs. Many have become entrepreneurs too n r generating employement for others.
As per the news flash on uscis website there is a front log in H1b receipting/data entry at two of their service centers( California and Vermont). The other two centers ( Nebraska n Texas) are on time ( receipting done by May 10) and if your case was in any of these two centers , you shd have known by now whether your case got selected in the lottery. For CA n VT centers they expect to do all receipting by June15 n June2 resp. If your case is in either of these 2 centers , there is a chance your case might have been selected thru lottery but u still havent heard from them. Uscis also advises to wait for 30 days from the last day of receipting before contacting Uscis.So you would have to be patinet for a couple of more weeks. All the best to you!!
PS- Its not that ppl who got selected heard first and the ones who didnt make it thru lottery got to know later.
The $ value will be coming down to Rs37/-. It is not wise to come to US for money If u r earning more than 8L in India. The average sal for H1 will be 70K -10K and expences will be 30K - 5K. so, Calculate saving ...
RE:No need a rise ...
by aftab umar on May 23, 2007 07:57 PM
Let's compare apple to apple, either look at money & savings etc or look at the convinience & quality if life??
RE:No need a rise ...
by on May 23, 2007 06:41 PM
Durga I would tend to agree with Rishi on this. When you say 8Lakhs you are mentioning the salary and you are comparing it with the savings you make in US.Even if you save 2k US$ a month n we calculate at the 37 Rs rate that you have forecasted you still save Rs 8,00,000 annually.
The quality of life materially is better in US even if you spend the same amount of money as in India( say $2k / Rs 80k)
RE:No need a rise ...
by govindaraj.K on May 23, 2007 07:34 PM
I get 50K per annum After tax it is 36K per annum My household exps is $2000 a month so 24K/Annum is gone. That leaves 12K. If I visit India once a year that is 4K-5K(Family of 3) That leaves 12K-5K = 7K, ($7000) = RS.280,000. With this I can not dream for a new car or new house or even a better apartment or a vacation here. On top of all this kids education, Medical treatment etc etc.......... Also some people need to support back home. So!!!!!! Just think before you land here.
RE:No need a rise ...
by Durga Thumati on May 23, 2007 08:47 PM
Hay,
Lot of discussion is going on my post %u2026. Please note that I just commented on MONEY factor. Not the quality of life or some thing else which are debatable and varies person to person priorities.
General expense in US goes like this %u2026 For New H1B candidate avg salary 60K Average cost in 2nd class cities/states for a Family of 3 (2 1) with One person income.
Rent: 600 -- single bed, 750 double beds (basic apartment and good neighborhood) Utilities (Electricity, water, gas, sewage and like that, washer/drier) %u2013 150
Internet & land line & cable %u2013 80 Mobile %u2013 45 India call expenses %u2013 40
Medical Insurance (Medical/ dental/vision) from ur pocket %u2013 250 Co pays/ medicines/ uncovered medical expenses %u2013 75 (avg)
Car payment - 200 (old average Honda/Toyota car) Car insurance %u2013 100 Petrol %u2013 80
Shopping -- Wal-Mart (a cheap store for regular usage stuff) and Desi store for Indian stuff (Per week 50 $ at Wal-Mart and 40 $ desi store) So per month 400 Now and then dining out 50
Basic kid expenses (dresses, toys, dippers like that) - 50
And finally no crazy stuff at home , no crazy outing , no crazy sopping , no kid play school, no 2 cars, no India travel , no un expected expenses, no job less days, no no pay days and no this no that %u2026
PS : this information for basic life style. It may varies minus 10 % to plus 45 % depends upon life style.
RE:RE:No need a rise ...
by Anurag Gupta on May 23, 2007 07:28 PM
I agree with Durga. If you leave aside for a minute the quality of life in terms of hygiene and law and order and emergency services, the standard or living to be achieved with a $1 in USA is equal to Rs 6 in India. So a salary of Rs 8 lacs is equivalent to $130K in the US. There are exceptions where the conversion rate does not apply like energy costs and luxury cars.
Even in an expensive city in India, 8 lacs goes a long way. Buying a house in an expensive city will not be possible but then again you cannot buy a decent house in an expensive US city at $60K salary either.
For Rs 8 lac, in India you can rent a nice place, have servants, get good medical care and send kids to a decent private school. the cost of food, clothing and other amenities is very low unless you insist on going to expensive shopping malls. Compared to this, for $60K in the US, you can barely afford a 1 bed in San Francisco, have to be mostly a walmart shopper, totally rely on medical insurance which you can loose easily if you loose job, send kids to district schools, have no servants. It is generally a tough life at $60K. YOu really have to skimp to save for the retirement or for any other plans. On $60K, taxes alone take away $15K. Out of $45K, there is really no way to save $2K a month with a family of 4.
And even if you do manage to save that somehow don't convert it to rupees. YOu are not going to come to India to spend that money in style. Going by the 6 to 1 conversion rate, one would be able to save Rs 6 lacs in India per year ($60K-$24K x 6 = Rs 2.2 lac worth of living expenses in India. Yes, you can get a 1 bed apt in rent in B'lore at ~Rs 7K pm India similar to a one bed in SFO at $1500 pm). Rs 6 lac savings in India per year are substantial as it has a lot of purchasing power. There is no point in saying that you can save Rs 8 lac in US at $60K salary as that saving does not get you much in US. Again, ignore the expensive cars please. And if you plan to work for a very long time in the US, living miserly to be able to settle down in India like a bara sahab, is it worth it?
Compare apples to apples patiently without emotions and you will see the merit of 6 to 1 conversion ratio. Falling dollar makes the ratio worse.
RE:No need a rise ...
by rishi bhardwaj on May 23, 2007 07:57 PM
you dont need to calculate Entertainment Costs... in this pay, you can only eat Vad pav and Bhajji Pav on the streets... One cannot go to Malls and Cinemax for movies ...
I Also Want India to Prosper and have good Pay etc..But is this a reality...No its not... Indian politicians, infrastructure, Home loans, Hygiene, all are in bad Shape...
RE:No need a rise ...
by V on May 23, 2007 07:53 PM
8 lac... take 3 lac out for Income Tax.. left with 5... take out 8k per month(average home not a good one)= 1 lac per year for house rent left with 4... take out kids school education- 50K left with 3.5
Now coming down to daily expenses- car gas utility bills etc minimum 15k a month left with (3.5-1.8=)1.7 Now in this 1.7 you have to buy ur furniture and all luxury related thing.
Dont know for sure, but can say that the life is screwed...
RE:No need a rise ...
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on May 23, 2007 08:14 PM
You just cant afford to be without Job in India now a days! In US atleast you can say you are in Bench bla bla....
Even if you are without job for 1-2 months you are over and out! Because cost of living demands you need to get paid every month minimum Rs 1 Lakh.
Even if you want to change jobs after 35Years you need to be very careful...in US employers are matured and understand your concerns whereas greedy Indian businessmen (mostly NRI) do not care about Indians. They dont even consider Indians as human beings!
RE:No need a rise ...
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on May 23, 2007 08:09 PM
Sorry I missed out Educational expenses in my budget!!!!That would take easily 2K per kid per month!
Also, you need to invest for their higher education upfront which would take another 1-2K per month per kid!
RE:No need a rise ...
by pranay sharma on May 23, 2007 07:28 PM
First of all person has to prioritize what he is looking in long run. Good future for kids or future tension for himself. Saving 2000 K every month is not always possible. getting 70K is not at all true. Consultants screw You too much. You need atleast 7-8 years of experience to reach this level, work that much in INDIA and see Your life bloom.
RE:No need a rise ...
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on May 23, 2007 06:39 PM
If you are living in Chennai and if you need house anywhere within 50 KM radius, you need minimum Rs 25 Lakhs as salary.
With 15 L you can hardly manage day-to-day expenses. I can tell you from my experience.
RE:No need a rise ...
by jay b on May 23, 2007 07:18 PM
i would agree that the quality of material life in US is much better than India(no comparision at all). a middle class american lives much better life than even a rich indian Materially because of the good infrastructure and cleaner surroundings. It is time Indians start demanding more in terms of infrastructure(drivable and walkable roads,sewage,sanitation,....) than continue to live in a sub standard way materially.
RE:No need a rise ...
by Indian on May 23, 2007 07:39 PM
I agree on this. Life in US is much more better than life in India. There was a major difference between social life in US and India, but now a days here in US also we have lot many fellow Indians and on every other weekend we have great get2gether. so now a days Social life is getting equal. We can get all comforts(Plus Savings) here in US with monthly income of around 3k. not possible in India. I love India and came to US 3 years back but Truth is Truth and can't ignore. If in India we have job of around 5L to 7L, we can save at most 2-3L/year with less comforts. not more than that but may be less than that.
but if we have job of around 70K, we can easily save around 30K/year which is around 12L/year with all comforts.
RE:RE:H1B Query
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on May 23, 2007 06:44 PM
Mine was rejected! Getting H1-B has become a lottery! If it has been subscribed 3 times the total availability this time, I can imagine what will be the case next time.
It is not that I like Amrika so much and all...but what to do!
I have no other option but to rot in Hell, I mean live in India!
RE:H1B Query
by sachin patel on May 23, 2007 07:15 PM
Chola,
I wish If I would had rights to shoot one person then it would had been you. You are calling your mother land INDIA a HELL, shame on you. We really don't need people like you in India, you are the most unpatroitic person. I wish for your demise at the earliest.
RE:H1B Query
by Chola The Greatest in the Universe on May 23, 2007 07:31 PM
Mr Patel (hope you are not running Gas station in US),
It is not my fault that India has become like Hell! I have paid enough tax, vote whenever possible, be honest, indulge in social awareness etc...
Why do you think so many people are lining up infront American Embazzy gates? I would not be surprised if you were one of those at some point being a Patel. If a sincere, honest and hard-working citizen like me is wished to be away then how can I help this country?
Myself being here or not is not the question! But look at the country and compare that against Amrika or any other decent country (dont compare it with Bangladesh!) and conclude yourself.
First grow yourself up; sitting in the cash-counter at the Gas Station will not lead you anywhere.
RE:H1B Query
by Raj on May 23, 2007 07:38 PM
I totally agree with Sachin. Mr Chola (Chhaka.. Hizada of US). He should be shot immediatelly without further dealys or he may harm Indians in frustation.
RE:H1B Query
by Asad Aftab on May 23, 2007 05:21 PM
Hi. You should have heard from them by now. They have already sent the names of the people randomly selected. They are now sending regrets. Refer uscis.gov or ask the people in your company who deal with this.
RE:H1B Query
by rishi bhardwaj on May 23, 2007 06:32 PM
Still the Vermont and California centers are pending the lottery selection.. it will get over on June 2... Please wait till June 2nd for the confirmation...
RE:RE:H1B Query
by surendra j on May 23, 2007 05:07 PM
Aravind, you are supposed to get the conformation by now from your company about the status of ur h1b application..
RE:H1B Query
by vivek on May 23, 2007 05:17 PM
yeah... u should have got now. I got it. But I think the interview date may be some where near Oct-Dec 2007. right?
RE:H1B Query
by Mannu M on May 23, 2007 05:00 PM
Filing date is april 2nd. If you are selected in the lottery you should have got notification by May11.(this is last day). Some cases are already approved FYI.) I guess mostly by this month end of by 15th of June you might get approval notice if you got selected in the lottery
RE:H1B Query
by siddesh kapadi on May 23, 2007 06:14 PM
The shortlisted candidates are already out as the last list was dispatched on 11th May, 07. This list was for the 65000 visa applicants.
Hi ALl!!My company is sending me to US on L1 but my duration in company is less than one year...Is there any problem in that???also i am an ERP consultant...can anyone tell me about the minimum wage in US for ERP consultants?
RE:L1 VISA
by Mannu M on May 23, 2007 05:02 PM
For L1 there is no requirement for Minimum wage I guess. You will be fine above 45K. Also for duration when you go for stamping just say one year or 2 years. L1 is good even for a month.
RE:L1 VISA
by Mannu M on May 23, 2007 08:06 PM
Can you send us link which says L1 should work 1 year. I have L1 and worked for 20 days. Ours is an MNC with 50,000 people strength. We all do that way. It is a legal way of doing things. Imagine you go on L1 and company closed after a month. You have no choice than return.
There is some sense in this policy.US Gove should kep a figure of h1 b visa allottments. Indians learn so much from the work ethics I suggest that every patriotic Indian should learn from American culture . It allows us to learn discipline and work hoesty. US Gove at the first instance should increase h1 visas and let the developing nations learn to imorive thier own country.
RE:H-1B visa hike: US lawmaker doubtful
by murali Bhagavathula on May 23, 2007 04:34 PM
Learning culture from America???Where they got culture from?? isn't from England,France and Spain??? We can learn the best practices from Japan and Germany either...may be we can learn better Marketing tips from US as they are the best in that...
RE:H-1B visa hike: US lawmaker doubtful
by sachin rai on May 23, 2007 04:44 PM
there is nothing wrong in learning from others especially from a country which is very successful. They may have a borrowed culture but they have made good use of it. Why cant we learn from them?
RE:RE:H-1B visa hike: US lawmaker doubtful
by G2 on May 23, 2007 04:52 PM
US culture is a modern culture...they left behind their old cultures from where they came. That is why they could progress so well.. They developed a new culture of science,technology,art etc which is now follwe by England,France, Spain and not to forget India.
RE:H-1B visa hike: US lawmaker doubtful
by murali dhar Bhagavathula on May 23, 2007 05:56 PM
Everyone learns from everyone...it is not necessarily learnt by going to US. If you have a "PAD" (Passion Attitude & Drive) you can achieve excellence...we need not copy from any country...being an Indian I am proud to say that we have a great culture and we can come up with something new which everyone in the world can follow...and we (Indians) don't want to be branded as one more country which followed the US. For example the Japanese in Quality, Germany for Precission etc etc...
RE:H-1B visa hike: US lawmaker doubtful
by Truth BeTold on May 23, 2007 06:52 PM
Why do we have to raise the Indian patriotic flag everytime we have a discussion? The problem is that we dont want to learn from anyone because we think we know everything. Had someone put in a comment about learning from Japan, these pesudo-patriots would have said things against that as well. Their sole purpose is to argue.
RE:H-1B visa hike: US lawmaker doubtful
by srinivas alladi on May 23, 2007 04:48 PM
They are culture less ohh...! Sorry let me put in other words modern culture people haa... haaa...
with minor or no changes to current h1b visa laws, they should allow more people on h1.
make it a must that visa holders leave the country if they are not paying the taxes to govt for a specific period of time(give 3 months for a guy on bench to look for a job)
usa is simply robbing people by not repaying the taxes that these visa holders are paying to their govt and their stupid lawmakers are simply crying over this issue for nothing.
RE:usa is thinking too much and are being stupid for nothing
by Prakash Nadar on May 23, 2007 05:07 PM
why the gov should give you back the tax? it is not like in India paying tax is like throwing away the money. Lot of tax payers money is spend on health care and other emergency and war in iraq
