The west never asked us to copy them. It is just a matter of choice and comfort. Would the ones who intervene in so called public display of affection, dare to intervene in public display of violence? I guess they would be too stunned to do that.
A couple hanging out at a public place is nobody's business. We as citizens should be responsible enough to respect each other's privacy even in public. I have no right to stare or pass lewd comments at a couple kissing in public as they are doing their own thing. It's none of my business. Neither is it a crime for police to intervene. It can only be a political party's business. Coz for them it is perfect scenario to highlight their party's cultural values. I do not understand what brand of culture do they use when they thrash out couples. I do not understand what brand of culture do the police have when a constable rapes a girl at Marine drive just because he thinks she wasn't dressed appropriately. I guess it's Indian culture they are using as per their own convenience. However personal freedom goes down the drain. Does Indian culture promote suffocating one's personal freedom. I don't think so. It is just that we want to rigidly stick to something that we think is our culture, which infact is not. Is some political party going to set the rules for us in something as natural as expression of feelings? Is that what we call freedom?
Re: Why blame the west for everything?
by Santa on Feb 07, 2012 07:06 PM
Dear Enlightened Soul - First of all, nobody is blaming west for anything. We are blaming ourselves for aping the west, without using our common sense. Next, you have used an oxymoron - Privacy in public. I'm not sure what that is supposed to be. Last but not the least, you might not mind when a couple performs shame1ess acts at public places, but there's a majority of us out there who have a problem. When majority has a problem with your acts, you are not supposed to do that act in front of them. It's as simple as that. Please do not support the nuisance by giving it different euphemisms such as the ones given by the author of this article.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west for everything?
by Santa on Feb 07, 2012 08:10 PM
Not only Indians, all human beings are obsessed with that. However, it doesn't mean that you freak out on the roads and at other public places, troubling others and creating nuisance. There are certain private places, such as home, earmarked for that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west for everything?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 10:22 PM
You mean to say, people in western countries or countries in which they are free to express their feelings in public are freaks, trouble makers and nuisance creators? That's a big statement to make.
Re: Re: Why blame the west for everything?
by Proud Indian on Feb 07, 2012 09:50 PM
Dear Santa,
I respect your Opinion and its true that Freedom does not allow you to irritate or trouble others.
Regarding your second point, I DO believe that in some cases, West has definitely given Good Results compared to Indians in Social Equality and if we follow them we will be better.
IS IT NOT NUISANCE WHEN THOUSANDS OF DEAD BODIES ARE THROWN IN GANGA, PERISHING ITS PURITY???
IS IT NOT NUISANCE WHEN LITERALLY A MILLION OF MALES BATHE TOTALLY NUDE IN KUMBH MELA POLLUTING WATERS IN RIVERS????
Re: Why blame the west for everything?
by Proud Indian on Feb 07, 2012 09:53 PM
JOINT FAMILY AND FAMILY VALUES IS SOMETHING WHICH WEST SHOULD LEARN FROM INDIA.
SOCIAL JUSTICE IS SOMETHING WHICH INDIA SHOULD LEARN FROM WEST.
The west never asked us to copy them. It is just a matter of choice and comfort. Would the ones who intervene in so called public display of affection, dare to intervene in public display of violence? I guess they would be too stunned to do that.
A couple hanging out at a public place is nobody's business. We as citizens should be responsible enough to respect each other's privacy even in public. I have no right to stare or pass lewd comments at a couple kissing in public as they are doing their own thing. It's none of my business. Neither is it a crime for police to intervene. It can only be a political party's business. Coz for them it is perfect scenario to highlight their party's cultural values. I do not understand what brand of culture do they use when they thrash out couples. I do not understand what brand of culture do the police have when a constable rapes a girl at Marine drive just because he thinks she wasn't dressed appropriately. I guess it's Indian culture they are using as per their own convenience. However personal freedom goes down the drain. Does Indian culture promote suffocating one's personal freedom. I don't think so. It is just that we want to rigidly stick to something that we think is our culture, which infact is not. Is some political party going to set the rules for us in something as natural as expression of feelings? Is that what we call freedom?
Re: Why blame the west?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 06:42 PM
A thing that is wrong for one can be right for another and vice versa. No one can judge someone or bash up someone on basis of his / her own perception of right or wrong. Indian culture is what we make of it.
Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 06:45 PM
Posted it again and again as I was getting an error while posting. Didnt realize that it had already got posted. As for shorterning the message, isn't this a public forum? If someone finds it boring to read it they can just skip it. I wouldn't mind.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by aaftab kazi on Feb 07, 2012 06:48 PM
yeah but at times people report it also and u can lose urID for few days.ehehehehe
Re: Why blame the west?
by Santa on Feb 07, 2012 06:53 PM
Dear Enlightened Soul - First of all, nobody is blaming west for anything. We are blaming ourselves for aping the west, without using our common sense. Next, you have used an oxymoron - Privacy in public. I'm not sure what that is supposed to be. Last but not the least, you might not mind when a couple performs shame1ess acts at public places, but there's a majority of us out there who have a problem. When majority has a problem with your acts, you are not supposed to do that act in front of them. It's as simple as that.
Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 07:09 PM
Well there might be a group people that minds and a group of people who do not mind. Why would the group of people who do not mind say anything? So it is taken for granted that the majority has a prolem. Moreover one can indeed have his / her own space in public. There is no harm in that. I don't see how you use the term "oxymoron" for that. I can only deduce that you do not understand the importance of personal space / in public.
I do not think anybody is aping the west. What I am saying is each one of us has the freedom to do as we choose as long as we are not hurting anybody else. Two people kissing in public are not hurting another soul.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 07:16 PM
Well you got the movie wrong. And there is nothing wrong with that three letter word. We are all born out of that word.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by Santa on Feb 07, 2012 08:06 PM
Of course, Aftab. That makes sense also. That's one of the differentiating factors between anima1s and humans.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 08:38 PM
If you don't want to discuss or do anything about something it's all right. No one is forcing you to. In the same way no one should be forced to shut up or be stopped from doing something that they want to do or discuss. It's your personal freedom to choose where to do it and it's their personal freedom to choose where to do it. To each his own.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 08:43 PM
Sometimes things that do not make sense to you might make sense to others. That does not allow you term their thoughts as garbage or their acts as nuissance. Just because our culture is great, it doesn't mean western culture is garbage. Both are great in their own ways. And who said humans are not animals? Aren't we social animals?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Why blame the west?
by samir satam on Feb 07, 2012 08:51 PM
No one is forcing anybody to discuss or do anything in public. You can do it in privacy of your homes. No one would stop you from doing so. If someone wants to do it outside you cannot stop them either.
The west never asked us to copy them. It is just a matter of choice and comfort. Would the ones who intervene in so called public display of affection, dare to intervene in public display of violence? I guess they would be too stunned to do that.
A couple hanging out at a public place is nobody's business. We as citizens should be responsible enough to respect each other's privacy even in public. I have no right to stare or pass lewd comments at a couple kissing in public as they are doing their own thing. It's none of my business. Neither is it a crime for police to intervene. It can only be a political party's business. Coz for them it is perfect scenario to highlight their party's cultural values. I do not understand what brand of culture do they use when they thrash out couples. I do not understand what brand of culture do the police have when a constable rapes a girl at Marine drive just because he thinks she wasn't dressed appropriately. I guess it's Indian culture they are using as per their own convenience. However personal freedom goes down the drain. Does Indian culture promote suffocating one's personal freedom. I don't think so. It is just that we want to rigidly stick to something that we think is our culture, which infact is not. Is some political party going to set the rules for us in something as natural as expression of feelings? Is that what we call freedom?
Re: Why blame the west?
by Santa on Feb 07, 2012 06:49 PM
Dear Enlightened Soul - First of all, nobody is blaming west for anything. We are blaming ourselves for aping the west, without using our common sense. Next, you have used an oxymoron - Privacy in public. I'm not sure what that is supposed to be. Last but not the least, you might not mind when a couple performs shame1ess acts at public places, but there's a majority of us out there who have a problem. When majority has a problem with your acts, you are not supposed to do that act in front of them. It's as simple as that.
