Long work experience with multi national & multi cultural male and female mates.I feel that interacting with women subordinate or senoir positioned females are uneasy.Mostly cut and dry,no patience with male mates, I don't know it may be misunderstanding or unrealistic thoughts..?
Plenty of opportunities for women today to grow and excel but hardly any would be serious about career after 6 in the evening. IF YOU WANT SHARE IN PROPSEPRITY AND PRIVELEGES, TAKE EQUAL PAINS TO. They prefer soft positions which demand no time uncertanities. They hardly read anything, not even the news paper headlines. Most of the B-school girls do not know who the finance minister is or what women reservation bill is all about. If they take 10% of pain and effort in the interst of the world, that they take for beauty tips, they will be respected for what they speak and do. There is more show in their job than stuff or depth so unfortunate. When they need help, they are ready to take it from any body, at any cost but when it comes to nurturing and develping those below them, they hardly empathize. Female bosses are hated by females and all. sorry for the bluntness but true
Re: women should learn to contribute than be present
by Arup Joshi on Mar 30, 2010 11:50 AM
Absolutely correct. Ladies are capable of talking without any substance for minutes in meetings. Only less than 10% of female workers are better than their average male counterpart in corporate world . But companies continue to take them as part of their HR related motivating employee policy.
Re: women should learn to contribute than be present
by Dhananjay Kumar on Mar 30, 2010 11:42 AM
You are rigt. I will give a real time example. There were 5 girls in my team of 10. All they did was gossip near the coffee machine. At lunch time, all the girls used to sit around a large table, and it took them at least one and half hour to finish lunch (you know what). Somedays it went up to 2 hours. Yes, I observed them, and why not. Who is working late nights when these holes leave on time? Then our manager got changed and lady from US joined. Few days into the job, and she starting telling all these girls bluntly (in front of everyone) about there lack of responsibilities. Was she wrong? Its just that we men will not do something like (sxual harassment allegations). But these girls teamed up with the HR team (full of holes), and filed a complained about this lady manager. Ultimately she left (not sure if she quit or was fired). And the same story again. Was this justice to that lady? Was this justice to the men colleagues? And this is what Prof Shirky is talking about. The phking holes need to work like men.
Re: women should learn to contribute than be present
by hihello on Mar 30, 2010 11:44 AM
@pramodm.
100% agree.
The matter of fact i used to work as ASM in an org & my immediate boss was from IIM & a lady too.
She used to say me around 6 pm , listen i have many things pending in my home & i will be leaving.
One day i had serious concern in my home & i told her , i need to leave its urgent.
she told me no u can't, i told her please.
Atlast i have to tell her in simple way, this is the chair that u will not get after resigning & u need to look after that chair but i can be a VP, within 6 months so have the shit job with u ,
I resigned & that lady used to call me & say, sorry , please join us & i had to let her know i am presently HEAD-International Marketing.
Re: women should learn to contribute than be present
by sultan bhatt on Mar 30, 2010 11:35 AM
You are absolutely correct. Women are very narrow-minded. One of my female colleagues is reluctant to work late only bcoz she don't want to miss a TV serial at 7 p.m.
Re: Re: women should learn to contribute than be present
by knight frank on Mar 31, 2010 09:49 AM
Sultan U r so correct! Majority of the ladies would prefer to make time, to watch their favourite TV serials, regardless of any breaking news on the next News channel! No matter, for them even if there is a Earthquake, they wouldn't budge from their favourite TV screen serial!!
I strongly believe that women are in dilemma. They are not able to decide what they want to do. Many women just can't think beyond their husband, kids, house etc. I think in certain period of their life especially when they get married & have kids ,they should spend some time(Years) at their home without doing job. When they have their children of around 6 years old then they can start doing job again. Children need love affection of their mother until they get into school.
Re: Women are in dilemma
by srinivasan mv on Mar 30, 2010 11:36 AM
If women do not take care of the home, we will only be money making machines. No love and affection at home. I feel, if women can not manage both work and home, they should not hate their lives and take care of their home. The children will grow in a better atmosphere, if mother is there at home.
It is not the question that a woman should behave like a man or vice versa. The question is how much a women has professional attitude while in the workplace. Now-a-days in any office we see almost 50% of staff are females...and this is very nice. But only 5% of them are actually having a professional attitude. Most of them are having a gossiping mind or mixing their personal life with their professional life or inquiring about other peoples personal life for eg. whether he or she is married or not, what is his or her age, how how many kids he or she has....this and that etc. etc..and it looks more silly when some males also join them.
It is not the question that a woman should behave like a man or vice versa. The question is how much a women has professional attitude while in the workplace. Now-a-days in any office we see almost 5% of staff are females...and this is very nice. But only 5% of them are actually having a professional attitude. Most of them are having a gossiping mind or mixing their personal life with their professional life or inquiring about other peoples personal life for eg. whether he or she is married or not, what is his or her age, how how many kids he or she has....this and that etc. etc..and it looks more silly when some males also join them.
Their are only two types of women at work place. 1) Who are ambitious 2) Who are just clueless at what they are doing . The womem normally takes lot of time to grasp anythg. It is because of a tendency that they hv always been helped with from the time they were born. In childhood their was her dad todo everythg and then their boyfrens and husband to tk care of all their mistakes. So they just cant grow to b real bright as they know evn in workplace sumone wd cum and correct them evn if they r wrong. The women who are ambitious ,the problem with them is that evn though they know their stuff they do not know where to draw line. They get too authoritative, bossy ,jealous and obnoxious to get ahead of their colleagues and are simply no fun to work with
Re: Women atwrplace r of 2 types
by chicken flu on Mar 30, 2010 11:27 AM
very correct perception!! women are best suited for kitchen not for work places!
Re: Women atwrplace r of 2 types
by sohanmohan on Mar 30, 2010 11:21 AM
typical north indian attitude, i am not surprised at your perception of a women. even men have faults
Re: Re: Women atwrplace r of 2 types
by vishal singh on Mar 30, 2010 11:22 AM
well girl i m based in u.k and m wrking in barclays bank dere...so kip ur wrng judgement(as usual) to urself
Re: Women atwrplace r of 2 types
by Dhananjay Kumar on Mar 30, 2010 11:28 AM
You hit the bulls eye pal. A very true point by you about them.
Women are used to luxury based on gender, and they expect it all their life. They forget that they are supposed to work like men in the company when they expect an equal salary.
And this is the reason why they asked for reservation every where.
Can u let me know how many invention has been done by FEMALE GENDER.
Let me know .
Regarding male counterparts, i don't know whether u worked in a organization [who talk only ]so called themselves as "EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PLAYER" or whether u worked in a dustbin organization, who has all filthy animals.
Have u ever work with, who doesn't waste their time in meeting rather than working?
I think u never had a chance to work with simple & straight company's who don't devour other by saying "EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PLAYER"
as u have been mentioning some experiments showing that boys doesn't listen, i can let u know many experiments where as decision made by women counterparts have made their organization itself a history.
With regards to ur article, as u have been mentioning " many years with corporate world"
See even to come down to understand a single number 0 took more than a civilization & u r putting emphasis by ur so called many years.
get urself a break first.
i do understand that u have jumped directly to a senior position rather being from the bottom .
go some where around the world & take some rest with ur brain frozen.
Re: NASHA FITTER
by neeta dwivedi on Mar 30, 2010 01:15 PM
I dont Agree with u in past there may have been cases when women were not allowed to Work but Now women are equally contributing towards the work. Plz dont comment like this .Or u should mention some lady all r not like that......
Re: NASHA FITTER
by Dhananjay Kumar on Mar 30, 2010 11:34 AM
You are right. This lady has used her womenhood to get promotion and not her brains (coz its hollow). It applies for 80% of women who climb the corporate ladder.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NASHA FITTER
by commonsense on Mar 30, 2010 04:02 PM
Hmm, Mr HEAD - INTERNATIONAL MARKETING; i have now sufficiently allowed time for you to take breath; the way you got defensive; it was well!!! amusing if not outright hilarious. if this is your style of marketing god only should save your company; BTW, Aryabhatta is not an inventor my dear student; he is a mathematician and astromer; whole world knows this; so please dont argue; as far as Sir C V Raman and Raman Effect is concerned; Raman Effect is (please save your comments) a discovery for which he was awarded the Nobel. If you see Nobel laureates list for science category, you can see many women winning the prize; OK none are Indian no doubt; but then not many Indian men have won it. and none of the Indian Men have invented anything worth mentioning so far. So dont boast. Let me give you a clue; Motor Car is an invension; Mobile Phone is an invention; Telephone is an invention; radio/TV are invensions; and none of these things were invented by Indian Males; so please control your emotions
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NASHA FITTER
by hihello on Mar 30, 2010 05:45 PM
@commonsense.
Hey 3rd class citizen or what i called encyclopedia.
I have meet male duffer but i never came across a female duffer , i used to thought that female have some sense of humor more than male but u proved me wrong.
DO u know mani bhowmick,bose, sabir bhatia and many more.
can i ask u r u sick or what?
Place value system is invented by whom?
E-mail by whom.
LASER by whom?
R u completely nuts or u have been such encyclopedia that u don't have time to update.
Who said u that RAMAN EFFECT is discovery, can u give me citation.
or u have concluded.
I thought u have some sense but i was wrong or taken back.
do u understand tsu tsu that u have been writing & all about english - Motor Car is an invension - what is "invension".
Garbage i have completely understood that u work for a company who is more than a dustbin.
Get urself trashed .
Regarding INDIAN MEN.
Asspit, have u ever taken time to understand HINDUS civilization or u r a porki.
I have completely understood that u r a 3rd person singular no , that boosts all ways himself.
Kiddioo - going through wikipedia won't help.
lastly get urself trashed, its really shame that INDIAN society have people's like u.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NASHA FITTER
by hihello on Mar 30, 2010 02:03 PM
@commonsense
yes.
Tell me what do mean by invention & discovery & RAMAN EFFECT,RADIO,LASER,BOSE, WHAT DO U SAY DISCOVERY .
One thing don't put urself smart.
U r nowhere to me.first.
And before u proceed name 2 ladies who have invented on their own.
Regarding abusing , u started first.
Regarding english , in a social networking site, u r looking for english.
Hey, which position do u hold,
& i don't work for any call centre & as i have signed NDA, I can't let u know the company name but what i canlet u know HEAD -INTERNATIONAL MARKETING doesn't come for CALL CENTRE.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NASHA FITTER
by hihello on Mar 30, 2010 02:09 PM
@commonsense.
Well i have worked across cultures company's & the problem is always with INDIAN ladies.
But With all due regard & respect , don't start with those things which u r not into & last thing as u show from ur behaviour , u try to come into conclusion fast.
so give due time to understand first rather than vomiting.
I am not ur guardian to guide u but if ur smart than be it on knoweldge rather showing it off & before u comment , due take time to research.
There r 2 forces of nature Yang:- aggressive, assertive, dynamic and creative male force denoted by ever changing sky. Yin:- Sacrificing, yeilding, stable, intutive, female force denoted by Earth. Nature is essentialy a dynamic interplay between these two opposing forces. However humans have caused imbalance in this interplay by giving more importance to yang than yin. Thats why there is breakdown all around us
