Why do people forget That Jack of all king of nothing. Every Aspect on this earth have positives And negatives. If u keep on changing ur line after one year its true u have knowledge of both the courses. but you cant become master of even one. out of 100 one student might become master in Both or either one. Why do people forget that if u have brains n if u are smart you can study and earn well in india also. for referance you can look into past. And question of Multi culture . We cant adapt n understand our own culture as we dont have time . America is 10 times faster than india how can we manage with multi culture. So The lollipop of the story is we need to b satisfied in whatwe have and make the best use out of it. But dont forget To dream bigger. Coz one who dreams work towards it. irrespective of where you live in India or America.
I think some people need to be reminded that blind patriotism is not always the best attitude to take, especially when trying to carry out an educated evaluation of a system. The fact remains that is most undergraduate colleges in India we have teachers who memorize the stuff themselves and expect the students to do the same... research, of course, is something very few of them have heard of. Add to that the fact that the infrastructure even in some of our best institutes is miserable. It is essential, if we want Indian scientists and researchers to be among the best in the world (which, irrespective of how hard we try to fool ourselves, they are NOT) in terms of originality and quality, that we introduce the habit of conceptual learning and fundamental understanding into our education system instead of continually rewarding mindless mugging and reproducing on paper.
RE:Objectivity vs. Patriotism
by KR on Mar 06, 2005 11:57 AM
Well, this is not a matter of patriotism. It is about education. Agreed that not all Universities in India are well ranked nor have qualified teachers, however my point here is that in India students are much more self reliant and knowledgebale than the Ameican kids. Tell me, how many universities mentioned by the author admits students directly from India..e.g. Stanford, MIT, Cornell. You must be living in a dream world if you expect that Indian students will be accepted in these Instituitions for Undergrad education. Even after having a great Undergrad education, meritorious students often do not get accpted here for their PhD or MS. Also, to clarify my point many of the high-profile jobs in the US and many world renowned scientists in the US have had their Undergrad education in India, not to mention premier institutes like IIT, BITS which are equally reputed as any US university.
RE:Objectivity vs. Patriotism
by bhargav on Mar 07, 2005 04:13 PM
See there are two types of studies available in india that is Scholar And Aevrage. So if the person is scholar and scores good marks he move to any institution in india. but if person is an aevrage student than he has to take an admission in an aevrage institution. it is as simple as that we need to score good marks.
RE:Objectivity vs. Patriotism
by gsg on Mar 18, 2005 09:00 PM
Having taught in three of the five top-ranking universities in India after completing graduate studies in the US, I can tell you that the standard of university education in India is abysmally low. The IIT's shine because of the kind of students they get, and not because of the quality of the education they impart. Those students would have done well anywhere in the world. Ignoring science and technology for a moment, have you though about where you'd go if you wanted to study something like say economics? Do you know what it takes to get into Stephens or D-School? Well, surely there are many more deserving students in India than those two (and a couple of other good schools) can accommodate. Do you know where they end up and what kind of drudgery they have to go thorugh? Do you have any idea about what kind of people teach in many of our *prestigious* univesrtities? Many of them are unfit for even routine clerical jobs. I am not saying that every kid should go abroad, but there is no room for complacency here. Our education system sucks, and we have to do something about it. Best, GSG
I think the most important aspect of studying in the US is the multicultural and open outlook you are exposed to. After studying there I feel that though there are some ills, overall its a person's own outlook which gets an overhaul, and for the better.
I believe high school education is best anywhere other than the US. I am pursuing my Graduate studies in the US and have seen the high school education system here. We were taught to read textbooks, here kids totally rely on the professor's"class notes" which is certainly not the way it should be. Top of that the peer influence is not really an encouraging thing, as kida might end up in a situation not likely for their age. We in India have had great exposure to different streams including science, enginnering, managment also, Agreed that the Universities here are well ranked but its certainly not worth spending millions of rupees for something that can be obtained in India and at much cheaper price. Please do not deceive people by saying such things without considering the general income of the indian people.
RE:Do not agree!
by maxxz on Mar 05, 2005 06:06 PM
"Certainly not worth spending millions of rupees for something that can be obtained in India and at much cheaper price. Please do not deceive people by saying such things without considering the general income of the indian people."
......Well said Ms Kavita Rao,I totally agree with u Excellent!
hello!!! i know this message mite seem a little out of place but i really liked the way u have answered some questions .. wud be g8 if u cud provide me this information. i am pursuing my masters in london in queen mary university of london .. which is one of the very good univ ..just wanted to know the job prospects and the value of the degree anywhere in the whole world .. my course is e commerce in business envt. and i ahve done bachelors in computer science
I'm a graduate student in the US and have been a teaching assistant out here for undergraduate (bachelor's) courses. I can safely say that the standards of education (at least engineering) are way higher in India than out here. Some stuff (math, physics et al) that are being covered here in freshman year or even to an extent, sophomore year (First year or Second year of university education) are covered during our 12th standard or in a few cases, lower. What is good about the US system is it is flexible. Does that necessarily make you a better engineer? I think not.
For MS and PhD, I guess, the only institute that is comparable to top tier US univs is IISc Bangalore. IITs, generally, are not all that great as far as research is concerned. Reason? Funding. U need tonnes of money to fund good research and attract good researchers, something indian schools struggle with.
Overall, I would say that upto undergrad, indian system is way better. For masters and PhD, generally, it is better in the US (IISc and a few programs in IIT may be close)
RE:I agree - poor advice
by prasank on Mar 09, 2005 07:38 AM
Just because they study it late doesnt mean its of inferior quality. Have you thought of the possibility that it might actually be better to study some of those material late? Lets take an example, I did my BS in India. I did study C++, but can I actually do it afterwads? NO. I did study DSP, can I work on Matlab after BS? NO. I did study micrprocessors, but an old one at that. As a TA here in US, I have followed the undergrad courses. Much of the projects are well oriented. Even the UG students get to work in research projects. Names like VHDL were heard of only when I reached here. Here the UG students learn this as part of their basic digital design. How can you say the Indian education is better then? (Here the time is critical becuase, I really did have a hard time competing in this area because of my ignorance of something). Indian education is vast, especially in +1,2. But to what effect? The BS syllabus is also vast. I think it gives a solid theoritical base. But to be good, it has to be more focussed.
I want to get my grand son be graduated in international law.Let me know, minimum qualification required to get admission,time span for graduation, universities accredited world wise,aproximate yealy expenses,possibility to secure the study visa. Thanking you, Krishan Khatri
After living in USA for a while and getting interaction with lot of americans and american kids, I certainly consider it as an ill advised media propaganda. U.S has some of the best university in the world, but american education (especially high-school and college-education) is very-very poor. That is the only reason that at the post-graduate and doctorate level, about 60-70% students are brought from abroad.
Coming to US and joining US schools (except top 20 universities at Post-graduate level or higher) is a good idea for those if you're planning to migrate anyway. But then, there are other ways to migrate.. and assuming that you or your kid will get superior education - is just a hypocratic choice at the expense of your hard-earned money.
RE:Unfortunately - an ill advice-not in all cases
by Lt.Col. R.K.aggarwala Faculty Univ Of Mich, USA(retd) on Mar 05, 2005 07:59 AM
Having been a graduate student(both MS&Ph.D) and a faculty for amost 27 years at the University Of Michigan, I would not recommend Indians in general to go to USA for undergraduate study. It is criminal waste of good money, deprives the young of the precious experiences about their own country, culture, family and the educational environment, they need at that very sensitive young age. In USA, they are likely get lost! However, the situation at the graduate level can be quite different particularly the professional programs. Many professional programs in USA in good universities are worth the cost and provide valuable life experiences. In certain technological & Scientific areas, USA provides specialisations not yet available in India. At what stage a person comes for such studies varies greatly from person to person. In Engineering programs it can open easy opportunities for immigration and valuable work experience. It is best to obtain personal advice in this matter on a case by case basis. Outstanding students can win scholarships, and they are worth it. Ph.D programs are certainly of high standards in general in USA, and can valuable even for returning Indians. Do Consult.
RE:Unfortunately - an ill advice
by Uday Patadia on Mar 03, 2005 09:48 PM
I Totally Agree with Him. Actually Not only US, which is all filled with Crime and Adultery from high school, but also UK, Australia and all countries with ageing population wants your children and your money so that thier economy can run smoothly.Australia gives Award to a organisation,IDP which export international students to their institutes and universities and making them pay through their Fathers nose and then giving points for education and making them migrants of thier countries and taxing them so that the ageing people can be provided with all benifits. International Education has become a business to attract students of asian countries and make them pay 10 times more than normal Fees . and also making them work for 20 hours legally and more Illegally(*benifiting thier employers who face labour shortage in crucial areas like hotel,supermarkets,car washing,marketing etc). And our india Agents who get commision from university Fees market them and our journalists publicises it and from media advertisements we head for the wonderland and after finally landing and going through the grind agree that this wonderland is really a "blunderland".instead we should help INDIA Grow!!
RE:Unfortunately - an ill advice
by Sri on Mar 04, 2005 01:30 PM
I totally agree.For good education one need not go to the US.the best eduction is available in India. Like the IITs and the IIMs which are counted with the best in the world.only those who want to migrate ,studying there might be a good idea.
RE:Unfortunately - an ill advice
by Gaurab Sengupta on Mar 05, 2005 08:53 PM
Hear, hear, Sushant. You have hit the nail on the head. Unfortunately, the 'respect for elders' value is often misused...thus giving insecure teachers an opportunity to vent their frustrations on youngsters who are culturally bound to be polite.
RE:Unfortunately - an ill advice
by praveen on Mar 05, 2005 01:06 AM
I dont think its that much of an ill advise. The author has some valid points in terms of saving time while deciding the major. And, quality is not that bad as it is portrayed. (Certainly much better than some of the university systems in India). There are lot of scholarships available, and its defenitely not a bad idea to study in US for your Bachelor's at a lower ranked university with scholarship and then move on to high ranked ones for Masters. Or, many universities have combined BS-PhD programs which is defenitely a time saver.
RE:Unfortunately - an ill advice
by Rahul on Apr 13, 2005 10:11 PM
I do think that we ought to look at the US Education system through the eyes of the Americans. Lots of Americans do not enroll in university after high school, so it is imperative for the edu. system to teach them some practical skills. There are apprenticship programs, clubs and work-study programs in high schools that give them an oppurtunity to do something in life. The system encourages people to think and not merely act as drones. I personally have experienced it as I have done grade 12 both here and in the Canada (similar to the US). In India the emphasis is on cramming whereas in the North American system, the emphasis is on creation. Yes the system has its cons but I think if one keeps it simple it is much easier to succeed as compared to India. I have personally experienced this in the grade 12 board exams. After topping all year round in school (pre boards are more brutal) I got royally screwed in the boards and even though I did very well, I never got any explanation for my marks. All my year long performance and hard work (100% attendance) was negated by those dastardly 3 hours of the finals. Yes many succeed, but countless who are most deserving do not
RE:Unfortunately - an ill advice
by sushanth on Mar 03, 2005 09:25 PM
I beg to differ on some of your views. While High school education may be considered low but practical in the sense that students atleast get to understand the problem while ours is slogging hard approach in schools. Through my experience US students mostly drop out of high schools, and those who continue are generally serious about their studies. In bachelor's the standard of education is definitely not poor, and is more flexible than any university in india. Plus professors are not only well qualified but are more friendly than the ones in india who may be the best but at the same time have that arrogant chip in their brains that makes them hard to approach to. Education doesn't just center around a teaching routine in class. It comes through a mutual discussion among students and professors. In US universities, if a student feels he is falling back on a subject he has the option to take up a subject he is good at. This way he can atleast identify which areas of study he is strong in and perhaps make a career out of it. Most importantly the plain truth is a lot of students get funded to do cutting edge research which a lot of indian universities cannot afford.
