Re: Jai Jai Telangana !
by Subrahmanyam N on May 15, 2009 07:35 AM
The above post is a big lie. Where are you from? Nazi Germany? Lands are being given to SEZs in Andhra too so do you want to compare how fertile alluvial soils are being given away to SEZs? People can't be generalized as bad if they are from particular region. Here are the facts, State of AP had 6 Chief Minister turns with people from Telangana, 9 from Coastal AP and 7 from Rayalaseema until now. I see no injustice there. People of Telangana elect corrupt politicians who steal from their people as well as from other regions why complain? What jobs do you want? and what jobs are being taken away from people of Telangana and by whom? If you are talking about government jobs wake up you are in 21st century. Try to compete. There are only 2 places in India which accuse other people for lack of their development rather than looking at what their politicians and people have done to their states, the first is J&K and the second are people from Telangana. If you accuse people from Andhra then I am going to say that people of Telangana are cunning and vicious by nature and want to grab what they can from other people and accuse the other people & get cheap publicity. FYI.....America is approximately 3 times the size of India and people in America have problems too but they don't demand a separate State because they have a different accent. First learn to help people from your area then talk about people from other areas. If you can't do anything then zip it. Jai Hi
Re: Re: Jai Jai Telangana !
by Prashanth Kumar on May 15, 2009 10:43 AM
Subrahmanyam sir,
Please dont waste your time & energy to think whether there is a need to create separate Telangana or not.
Over the years all political parties did extensive study of the region & their problems and finally came to a conclusion that seperate Telangana is the need of hour.All political parties in principle agree to it.
I sincerely request you to prepare your mind to face the reality of a separate Telangana state.
Re: Jai Jai Telangana !
by raghavendra anand on May 15, 2009 06:48 AM
Friend, i have been an advocate of smaller states for better governance.I agree your point of view about telengana and its people.From my work experience i have the view that people of telengana may be innocent but they need to emulate the hard working attitudes of their tribe in the other two regions of AP
Re: Jai Jai Telangana !
by srinivas kumar on May 15, 2009 06:47 AM
I still cannot digest the fact that, educated people like you are praying for Seperation of a state.. I hope we all stay together
Re: Re: Jai Jai Telangana !
by ravula reddy on May 15, 2009 07:26 AM
Any person who knows and understands Telangana history and Telangana problems either he is educated or uneducated will always support for separate state.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Jai Jai Telangana !
by ravula reddy on May 15, 2009 07:47 AM
Mind your language. Every one can have their opinion. Healthy discussion is going on here and don't use abusing language. I can also use the same language but I am a educated person I know where to use and where not to use.
The point i'am trying to make here is we should have only few states(may be 15-20) these are easy to manage, but when you have more states, it will be difficult to have control..thereby we loose sight in development, internal security, and Strong Military.
Diversity is very good, live with it and be happy. when you are talking of divisions, we are considered as not working in the paramaters of the state, which leads to disentragation. We have come so far not to burn our great nation, which gives equality for all religions and regions. You education is almost free compared to other nations, you have opportunities plenty. People proved we are less to none in the world and we are happy that way. and we do not want this disintegration. If you have guts run for an MP and focus on development in your region...i'am not speaking like andhra, or Bihari or Kannadiga, i'am an Indian i feel looking at the past pattern how we failed and as a citizen i have a duty and responsibility to pass on the message.
Re: Indian moving forward
by theindialover on May 15, 2009 04:59 AM
This is a gift to us given by British. States divided by Language. Is there any better way to divide a country?
Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by raghavendra anand on May 15, 2009 06:50 AM
You are completely mistaken,the division of our country on linguistic basis was made not by the British bu by our Own Jawaharlal Nehru.We are paying a very heavy price for that decision.
Re: Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by Ram Online on May 15, 2009 10:51 AM
Creating liguistic states is the best thing that happened to India. Otherwise, Right now when PM talks 70% od the people won't understand him. At least when a CM talks almost whole population of the state would understand him. Without linguistic states, States have to deal with population with more than one language.
Re: Indian moving forward
by Ram Online on May 15, 2009 03:25 AM
USA with 30 crore population has 50 states. India with over 100 crore population should have more than 28 states for sure. Smaller states are better for governance. Only thing we have to look is whethe the state is financially viable. Telangana is financially viable as a seperate state.
It was a mistake to merge Telangana(with low Human development index) with Andhra state(with higer HDI) in 1956. It created inbalance. All the benefits were grabbed by relatively advanced Andhrites. In effect, Telangana became colony of Andhrites. formation of Telangana state is to correct that mistake that was done in 1956. Only selfrule by Telaganites will fix this imbalance. Its a mistake of Paliament to merge Telangana with Andhra in 1956. Its not the mistake of Andhrites to all the opportunities available to them. Now its the job of Parliament ot correct its mistate.
Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by In Search on May 15, 2009 07:30 AM
You need to learn more about this country, USA is NOT smaller than India. So, 50 states are needed. Please apply some brain before you compare! And Ram online, there is no need for divisions of that state you dumb head, stop fooling Indian people with small state crap!
Re: Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by deepti de on May 15, 2009 08:44 AM
USA is smaller if you compare the population. It will be better if we have smaller states, smaller districts, smaller talukas. The number should increase proportionately with increase of population.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by In Search on May 15, 2009 12:11 PM
Maybe it's better for your state to see other states getting divided and weak, isn't it? That's why many non local politicians there are showing very interest to divide that state desperately. Just look at that stupid old man from BJP, he wants to give it in 100 days! That's why you know what, Winston Churchill had been a great visionary. He quoted:
"Power will go to the hands of rascals, rogues and freebooters. All Indian leaders will be of low calibre and men of straw. They will have sweet tongues and silly hearts. They will fight amongst themselves for power and India will be lost in political squabbles."
How true he was, isn't it? He said that more than 60 years back, what a shame on our people because they all vindicated a Britisher's foresight!!!
Re: Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by Ram Online on May 15, 2009 08:42 AM
Yeah sure go and see the size of Rhode Island and Delaware before you talk about size. If don't have patience to have a good debate and learn or to make a point just shutup and don't make personal commnents. I always appreciate better argument and I am willing change myself. Its my strong belief that seprate Telangana is better for all. I did not come to this conclusion after years of my own research. I was very critical of this movement for years before that.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by In Search on May 15, 2009 12:04 PM
You first STFU!! I don't need to go and see, am living here since the last 15 years man! Whom are you trying to fool like? I am not living under your great tamasha political system. Selfish people like you always deserve personal comments, perhaps even more than that.
There is no room for any debate when it comes to division of states, thus displacing and hurting the people forever. Just look at what's happening in Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand. They are getting more worse and deteriorating. India is very much good enough with it's present states. There is no need for divisions of Maharashtra, AP, Karnataka etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by Ram Online on May 15, 2009 12:59 PM
Thanks for your comments Hitler. You better to live Nazi germany and Communist china. You are not fit to live a democracy like India or US. In Democracy people wishes are respected.
Re: Indian moving forward
by R S on May 15, 2009 06:22 AM
What is your rationale for arriving at 15-20 states. Do you have any ideas about how much the size of the country should be? USA with 1/3rd the population of India has 50 states.
Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by subrahmanyam jamisetty on May 15, 2009 06:37 AM
India has lot of complexities
can you name them?
what will happen after Telangana is parted from national point of view?
70% pop in USA are educated, the politicians are help accountable, thriving economy, abundant resources, strong internal security, strong military..India does't even come close....so dont even compare USA with India
let's compare India with Malayasia, the country is very diverse still they have very few provinces.
ok lets compare with ...i dont know a country with such complexity.. and you guys are inking on this subject.
RS are you going to guarantee that India will not have further divisions, are you going to be accountable when we are fighting for resources like Balkan countries.
Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by Subrahmanyam N on May 15, 2009 07:38 AM
What is the rationale in comparing USA and India? Are you nuts? The more governments we have the more chances of corruption and more posts for parties to grab. You are not going to get anything from any political party my friend just see what is happening around you.
Re: Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by deepti de on May 15, 2009 08:48 AM
OK then let us have one and only Emporarer seated in Delhi so as to curatil curruption !!ke4km ke4km
Re: Re: Indian moving forward
by Srinivas Matnuri on May 15, 2009 10:40 AM
what abt the area ? it it 1/3rd too ? you guys seem to be dumb headed and brainwashed by few political junk
it's the poor families, you dont have a clue of it.
We are a democratic country, if you want to do something for Telengana, take up an Agenda and work for it, dont instigate like Jinnah did in 1940's.
Work on forest cover, it will reduce the temperature, and make farmers life at ease, work on lake development, arid land development, put effort on alternate energy, we have abundant sunshine. have you guys ever volunteered on these activities...first do your part for your village, town or city and inspire people.
It took a heroic Sardar to bring close to 22 states, if they had a weak agenda and a weak will they would have come up with 60 states right?
why the freedom fighters wanted limited states?
to avoid 1000 princely states which brought the 1000 invasions,
Chandra Gupta is the first King in our Sub-continent who brought most of the sub-continent under his rule...Merit goes to Chanakya. His grandson Asokha bcos of the Kilinga, chaged the agressive mindset of our military..and rest is History.
why cant we give Jammu and Kashmir,Why cant we give away Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh, whole of North east freedom from India. Until the British came there is no Country called India, they were 1000 princely states and a falling Mughal Empire always fighting with eachother. We are fighting with eachother from time immemorial, it is very easy to divide and rule a country like India. from 1857 to 1947 freedom figthers want to die for the sake of being called an Indian. Some illetrates do not realise this, with our large poppulation we have enough problems to tackle. Divide we are not a force, see what happened after Jarkhand is formed, highly infested for Naxalism. Our fore fathers have divided the states on language basis, will these so called supporters guarantee that Telengana wont get divided into North, South, West or East on some pretext in future, what does that boil to...it's going to take us to 2000 years back, who are the loosers, the common man who cant blog on internet. When you are trying to divide think of the greater implications, is hyderbad not part of Telengana, people Uttar Kannada in Karnataka speak Konkanese and they should have a seperate state..why are they not asking..isn't there disparties in all states not just Andhra?.
What happens when the state is formed when it has 14 or 15 MP's, 5 * 3 for each party(definitely they are going to be minimum 5 parties), can you speak anything in the house? so whom are you guys cheating its not you or your family..it's
It was a very poor show by TRS in the govt. as well as in the present election. He should have a inside ,,,that is 70% concensus in Andhra itself to hv a separate state of Telangan by wining his assembly seats by majority then fight it at the centre. But he had gone to NDA,,,,who have promised to bring money from swiss in 100 days,,,give a state to TRS in 100 days etc. All election stunt.
Re: POOR SHOW
by SHIJIKUMAR THANKAPPAN on May 15, 2009 07:57 AM
India had some 270 million people below the poverty line in 2004-2005, when the present Government took office. That number has gone up to 325 million, which is 20% increase.
Re: POOR SHOW
by Ram Online on May 15, 2009 03:10 AM
We are not sure of 3rd front. UPA already cheated Telangana in the last term. What are the other options for TRS, if they want to achieve Telangana. Only Parliament can create a new stae. State goverment can only ask Parliament for a new state but it can not create a new state.
Re: Re: POOR SHOW
by SHIJIKUMAR THANKAPPAN on May 15, 2009 07:56 AM
When Madrasas are being shut down in Pakistan, the Indian Govt. is giving them CBSE status!! Is it not discouraging Muslim children in getting secular education? Andhra Pradesh Govt. under the directions from Central Govt. has closed down 28000 temples out of 36000 in the last five years.Our Government has given 25 lakh scholarships ONLY to minority students. What sin have the majority done not to deserve these? Why cannot poor students of all communities be given? s revealed in 2008, Rs 70 lakh crores of money from India is lying in Swiss bank accounts. Even though the German Govt. is ready to reveal the details of account holders, the Govt. is least bothered to ask for it.On the day of the Mumbai train blasts, the present Govt. gave Rs 150 crores for earthquake relief in Pakistan. In 2008, the Govt. has given Rs 3000 crores to Afghanistan for nfrastructure development. Developing our own country’s infrastructure did not cross our Govt.’s mind! According to the Comptroller & Auditor General’s report in their official website, Rs 87153.12 crores are missing from Universal service fund, Infrastructure development fund and money allocated for centrally sponsored schemes. What has the Govt. done with people money?In the Rs 10,000 crore medium-range surface-to-air missiles (MRSAM) deal with Israel, the Govt. has suspiciously agreed to pay 6% as ‘business charges’ which comes to a whopping Rs. 600 crore.According to Defense experts, this is simply infla
Telengana people sent KCR in 2004 for bringing a change,
Tell me what he did? He was a Union minister, he could have lobbied his way in Center and could have got lot of projects for Telengana region, if you want to get some work done he should have put his ego and should have worked in Center and State in tandem and should have created some projects.
What did Channa Reddy, Brahamaanada Reddy did...nothing so politicians are all alike, it is the responsibilty of the people to send good leaders and see that they work.
If you are cribbing you are to be blamed, these politicians did not work nor will the future leaders do, and if we keep on dividing the Union it will be another failed state, As an Indian i do not want this to happen.
I want a strong government at Center and State.And i do not want weak 100 governments.
Re: Failed state....with more states
by Prashanth Kumar on May 15, 2009 02:14 AM
Telangana people sent KCR NOT to bring change.He was sent to bring a separate Telangana state.
He did his best to bring Telangana even with support of 5MP’s.He made congress include Telanagana on the Common Minimum Programme(CMP) of UPA.He did his best to include it in kalam's speech also. But UPA failed to implement its CMP.
When all political parties(TRS,TDP,PRP,CPI,BSP & CONGRESS) expressed their nod for separate state, then who can stop this for becoming a reality. Just prepare your mind for separation.
Party Ideology wise they are OK for separate state but when leaders come to power they don’t want to be limited to one region (andhra/telangana)..That’s why the separate state is getting delayed due to greed of CM(be it YSR/Naidu).
Re: Re: Failed state....with more states
by subrahmanyam jamisetty on May 15, 2009 02:44 AM
you mean to say its ok to have 100 or 500 states?
It took a heroic Sardar to bring close to 22 states, if they had a weak agenda and a weak will they would have come up with 60 states right?
why the freedom fighters wanted limited states?
to avoid 1000 princely states which brought the 1000 invasions,
Chandra Gupta is the first King in our Sub-continent who brought most of the sub-continent under his rule...Merit goes to Chanakya. His grandson Asokha bcos of the Kilinga, chaged the agressive mindset of our military..and rest is History.
The point i'am trying to make here is we should have only few states(may be 15-20) these are easy to manage, but when you have more states, it will be difficult to have control..thereby we loose sight in development, internal security, and Strong Military.
Diversity is very good, live with it and be happy. when you are talking of divisions, we are considered as not working in the paramaters of the state, which leads to disentragation. We have come so far not to burn our great nation, which gives equality for all religions and regions. You education is almost free compared to other nations, you have opportunities plenty. People proved we are less to none in the world and we are happy that way. and we do not want this disintegration. If you have guts run for an MP and focus on development in your region...i'am not speaking like andhra, or Bihari or Kannadiga, i'am an Indian i feel looking at the past pattern how we failed and as a citize
Re: Re: Re: Failed state....with more states
by subrahmanyam jamisetty on May 15, 2009 02:46 AM
citizen i have a duty and responsibility to pass on the message.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Failed state....with more states
by Prashanth Kumar on May 15, 2009 03:04 AM
I don’t agree with your statement that if we have few states then they are easy to manage.
UP is very much backward state when compared to other smaller states. It’s too big a state to bring development.
Also, most of the prime ministers are from UP just because of fact that it sends maximum number of MP's to parliament.
If we split all big states into smaller ones (make equal number of MP seats) then every body will get equal representation in the country’s top post.
Thanks for your suggestion asking me to run for an MP to bring development.I will definitely think over it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Failed state....with more states
by subrahmanyam jamisetty on May 15, 2009 06:22 AM
dont even bother to compare India and USA.
The average american knows about the system.
Politicians are held accountable, the country is 7 times larger.
they have vibrant democracy for the past 200 years, India is a young country.
it history shows that it was always divided. After independence India faced challenges which she managed barely ex China war, 1972 floods, the plague in Gujarat, the earthquakes, the currently terrorism..has it managed properly? Definitely very poor show.
We do not have the infrastructure to tackle any major issue, so we are a very fragile nation...but still we are able to move forward.
If the country encourages this divisions on the basis of culture, economy disparity, it is like we dividing into princely states.
Sardar sent our Military when Nizams are not secceding to Indian government. Now your argument is that you want your princely state back? ok no problem, what happens if several states are broken into smaller states...back to square one.
I dont want Telengana or for that matter any state to be divided, and lets bring change in other forms.
Get the right people elected, make it mandatory qualifications for a MP..make him accountable, reform the beauracracy, invest in internal security. let the citizens participate in active democracy,
Re: Jai Telangana
by Manojit Sarkar on May 15, 2009 01:46 AM
Why are we still in denial? The whole concept of India is failing because of people like you, these regional parties and multi-party system. Why can't we stop this and move to a two-three-max 4 party system? If you really look at the exit poll and if it is somewhat of a guidance, we will find that with Cong plus BJP, it is more than 70% of the seats. Which is a clear indicator of stopping the regional parties to contest the central elections by themselves. A probable solution could be all the regional parties with presence in less than 10 states, needs to step off the LS Electoral choices.
Re: Jai Telangana
by Indian on May 15, 2009 01:26 AM
India should be split in such a way that every house is one state. So will have more than 100 million states. Each person of the house should be able to collect tax from his house (state) members. you can choose members of the house (wife/children/parents/siblings) to be in your cabinet ministry and recruit some of them to daily tasks and pay them (pocket money). you can have elections every 5 years, where you will be the only candidate. You can still do booth capturing in your own house, to make sure that all your members (family members) vote for you. If there is a rebellion in your house, you can ask him/her to register her own state (house) and rule that state.
a great danger to the federal struture of indian republic. But to the core of it the regional parties are borne out of lack of internal democracy in mainstream parties, when the folks in delhi try to put their pawn at state level and ignore the true leader at local party unit level, the true local leader start a new party.
if you see most regional parties today they have a link to either BJP or congress at some point in history.
