Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by Haramohan Ray on May 13, 2009 12:49 PM
Where is the proof that educated people are running out of WB? What is the source?
Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by bipresh on May 13, 2009 12:59 PM
u ppl always ask for source of information.go to other states like delhi, gujrat etc etc and see how many bengali guys are doing job there. Or you can ask the ppl of or place whether there are all the boys are working in WB or not. (not necessarily 100% should be there). all i can say that i live in delhi and i know soooo many guys (bengali) who are working here and all of them have replied the same reason. u know what? they said that we don't like to be a chamcha of cpm or any other political parties.we want to do job of our own choice and that is not available in WB. this is the practical source of information. not from any agency.
Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by JGN on May 13, 2009 12:51 PM
bipresh, people from ther States also migrate. What is so surprising in that??
Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by bipresh on May 13, 2009 01:05 PM
@jgn... there is not much scope in WB. that is the reason. ppl are only politically involved. joining MIchhil.. meeting ... sanmelon etc etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by JGN on May 13, 2009 01:08 PM
My dear bipresh, people migrating from one place to another is not a new phenomena. I had seen Punjabis, Kashmiris, Benglis, Mararashtrians, Gujaratis, etc settled even in the Southern-most State of Kerala. Bngalis were migrating even before the CPI (M) came to power. Can you deny that?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by JGN on May 13, 2009 02:27 PM
>>>>>>Bengalis are the most homely people and they prefer to stay in their hometown.............that is applicable to every one. There is no place on earth where one would be most comfortable than the one where they were born and brought up.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by Indian on May 13, 2009 02:23 PM
JGN, the rate of migration of Bengalis from WB to other states before 1980s & after 1980s will tell you the story. In last 2-3 years some new areas have developed which saw some Bengalis return to WB. Let me tell you Bengalis are the most homely people and they prefer to stay in their hometown even if it means losing out on a promotion or salary. But lack of career options and uncertainty over industrial development forced the highly educated mass like engineers, doctors, MBAs, Economists, IT experts to opt out. Post 2006, the WB Govt's outlook towards industries have changed and some new industries have come up which is resulting in ppl returning to WB slowly. If the planned chemical hub at Nayachar becomes reality, many more will return.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by bipresh on May 13, 2009 01:11 PM
@JGN, i m not talking abt cpm or any other political party. i m talking abt the development of WB, industrialization of WB, Employment solution of WB.is it going to change in the near future?????????
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by JGN on May 13, 2009 01:18 PM
bipresh, when you have driven out a reputed Industrial House like the Tatas from WB how do you expect Industrialization?? Ask Ms. Mamata Banerjee and the Congis what plans they have for the developement of WB.
Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by Indian on May 13, 2009 02:25 PM
JGN, LF & Mamta both are equally responsible for ouster of Tata from WB. You can talk seeing only one side of the coin. Before the Tata, the entire hosiery industry shifted from WB to Tiruppur in the 70's. Where was Mamta then?
Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by JGN on May 13, 2009 02:31 PM
Are you really Indian? The hosiery Industries in Tiruppur are owned entirely by people from TN. They were new Industrial units set up by locals and not "shifted" in WB or any other part of India. I had visited Salem, Tiruppur and Coimbatore many times. There are hardly any Bengalis in those places.
Re: Re: Re: Re: @ask your questions.....I will answer
by Indian on May 13, 2009 04:20 PM
True, there are no Bengalis in Tiruppur. But the hosiery industry first flourished in Kolkata and 95% of it relocated outside gradually starting during the initial part of LF regime, known as the JF at that time when Jyoti Basu was the home minister. Majority went to Tiruppur, rest went to other part of India. The TN owners have come to own these only later. The historical research on Tirupur leads us back to the "thottams" or well irrigated farms around the town, as most of the industrialists of today have come from modest agricultural backgrounds. Though countless interviews about their lives and work, it has been realised that it was these modest farmers who have innovated in the organisation of the industry. There are many ways in which these ex-farmers came to the industry, worked in knitware firms and got to know the production close at hand and entered as small owners, often in family partnerships.
Business house will always support BJP as most of them are the supporter of BJP .Recently in Gujarat Anil Ambani and Mittal of Bharati praised MOdi to be next PM .So I dont think Congress will not more than 50 seats on its own as they have blundered in 26/11 attack ,Kasav punishment(why Kasav is trying in simple magistrate court),Pak relation,foreign policy ,and the most sensitive Tamil issue in Srilanka (thousands of tamils were killed in indiscremet firing by Srilanka Army and no humanatarian help reached .Recent job loses also will go against them .Alighning with anti Industry and earlier communal party like TC(since they supported BJP ) in West Bengal will severely cost them vote and last but not the imature talk by Rahul (talk about Nitish Kumar)will be a big factor .So I can conclude that NDA will come to power I am sure
Re: NDA is coming to power
by raj on May 13, 2009 12:51 PM
i beleive u r big chamcha of BJP who is very desprate to come in centre like previous election but result will be same like 2004. UPA will come to power. Cong 160 & BJP 130-140 seats
Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 01:36 PM
By hook or by crook BJP is desperate to come to power. But that will not happen and you take it from me.
Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by JGN on May 13, 2009 12:54 PM
Does it make much of a difference whether the Congis come to power or the BJP comes to power?? At least the BJP will put an end to the blatant "minority appeasement" in the name of "sickularism"!!
Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 01:34 PM
again bangaru laxman will be at the forefront to collect money for BJP. What have you got to say about Tehelka?
Re: Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by JGN on May 13, 2009 01:40 PM
What about one Italian (Mr.Q......)running away Rs. 21 Crores of our Tax-payer's money and another Italian asking the CBI to look the other way when the case for defreezing of his Bank A/c was being heard in a court of law in England??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 02:02 PM
The Supreme Court has already given a verdict? I think you are not aware of it or probably you do not understand it as you dont wish to you chamcha of BJP. The corruption case of Bangaru is in the court and dont be surprised over its findings.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by JGN on May 13, 2009 02:09 PM
charmaine lazarus, if I write abut the corruption of the Congis, it would take the entire band-width of Rediff. We are not blind followers of a dead jew on a stick. We still use our own brain!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 02:57 PM
why dont you mention at least two and you will get my reply to these. When you have nothing or no knowledge it is best to say that it would take the entire band width of Rediff. Admit it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 03:00 PM
and you a mix breed of various religions, communities and cultures.
Re: Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 03:03 PM
it is better to be a rice bag convert and I am happy about it rather than to be a licker like you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NDA is coming to power
by JGN on May 13, 2009 04:10 PM
hahahhahahahhhaahaaha!!!!!! Worshipping a dead body is the sign of greatness!!!!!
Let us admit the truth first. The left is certainly not the flawless political group in India. They have many limitations and flaws. In West Bengal, for example, they have committed some awful blunders (the greatest being the most foolish handling of Rizwanur death case, where top police officers were allegedly involved). However, it is also true that in some parts of India the Left are known as anti-India, which is most unfortunate. The left has done very commendable acts in West Bengal, which has resulted in their uninterrupted rule gor more than 3 decades. Also, compared to most other political parties, the left has almost never indulged in corruption at personal levels. The two shining acts of the left - land reform and 3-tier panchayati system - gave them huge popularity among the rural poor as well as middle class urban people. Also, the left enjoys backing of the intellectual classes in Bengal (though in recent times there have been some divisions). However, trouble started when the WB government went for the industrial drive after consolidating the agricultural front. With 98% land in Bengal being cultivable (the highest in India - a result of the left's contribution), it is impossible to set up industries in non-cultivable lands. So, the process of land acquisition started and Trinamool exploited the resentment for narrow political ends. However, one is petty sure that Trinamool's ploy would not yield much good results.
Re: The Left
by debasish on May 13, 2009 12:15 PM
So you mean to say that for the first 30 years of left rule there was no development of industries in Bengal? And in the list of mistakes you forgot to mention the abolition of Englins for 15 years hurting the careers of about 75 lakh students of WB board
Re: Re: The Left
by JGN on May 13, 2009 12:24 PM
Even during the current electioneering, Malayam Singh Yadav was talking against English Education and Computerization. His right-hand man, Abu Azmi was telling that "mechanization" is the cause of unemployment as if he is using "palanqin" for travelling from one place to the other!!!!
Education in vernacular medium upto 8th Standard is better than education in English medium. Even well known Educationists like Malcolm Adiseshiah was in favour of the same.
Re: Re: Re: The Left
by Argumentative Indian on May 13, 2009 12:50 PM
Not studying in English, for a poort non european country is like saying I'm going to be an athlete but with one leg folded up and tied, grow up, don't waste time with Malcolm Adiseshiah's, theyr'e employed, we need to make ourselves employable.
Recently I was trying to get a high level equipment from the Chinese, because they're significantly cheaper than the EU / US. However, the Chinese explained how few people follow English in China, and they would need time to translate the huge volumes of specs to Chinese and then their engineers would revert! I'm back to talking with the EU / US again!
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Left
by JGN on May 13, 2009 01:04 PM
Argumentative Indian, studying in English Medium is not a pre-conditon developement. All members of my family and extended family had studied in vernauclar medium schools only till Std.X. There are Doctors, Lawyers, Engineeers, and Double Masters holders in our family.
I have used equipments manufactured in US, UK, Germany, Japan, etc. Language is not a barrier for the same. Some of those equipments were highly sophisticated (like slip-energy recovery system with line matching transformers).
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Left
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 02:09 PM
JGN continue your children to study in vernacular but let others decide about whether vernacular or english provides better future for their children.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Left
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 03:21 PM
JGN - than why are you communicating in english? You are not practising but deceiving others. What you are preaching let our bretherens also prosper as all lucrative jobs in our country and abroad, english is a must? It shows your frame of mind.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The Left
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 03:21 PM
JGN - than why are you communicating in english? You are not practising but deceiving others. What you are preaching let our bretherens also prosper as all lucrative jobs in our country and abroad, english is a must? It shows your frame of mind.
Re: Re: The Left
by Haramohan Ray on May 13, 2009 12:20 PM
Mr Debasis, you may not know that English was withdrawn as per the recommendation of the Central Education Commission of 1968. You may not also know that in many states in India, English was not taught at the primary level in the 70s and 80s - not in WB alone!
Re: Re: Re: The Left
by Indian on May 13, 2009 01:24 PM
Mr. Roy, the Central Education Commission of 1966 recommended adoption of different regional languages as the medium of instruction which was opposed on the pretext that it would disintegrate the country. The conference of state education ministers in April 1967 decided that regional languages would be introduced at all levels of education. Neither has spoken explicitly about removal of English as a subject. But the WB govt. under Jyoti Basu removed English completely from the primary level which caused irreversible damage to thousands of students.
Re: Re: The Left
by Indian on May 13, 2009 12:35 PM
Debashish, there are other mistakes too like opposing computerisation. I remember bringing the first PC to our factory at night through the back door so that the union men don't come to know. That was in the 80's. Then there are the mistakes like spoiling the work culture. Now to get a normal job done in any office in WB, you have to make number of follow-ups. Conditions in the municipal office, electricity board, telephone office etc. are the worst possible. But, the popularity as you claimed has waned because post 1985, the party-supporters have become the biggest beneficiaries of these reforms. Visit any village in WB and you'll see that the majority of the affluent people are LF supporters or partry-workers. This has actually caused a resentment among the rural mass. Coupled with it, the high-handedness & unruly behaviour of the cadres and the helplessness of the leaders to control such cadres has also caused great resentment and anger. The reflection was seen in Singur which was a classic case of mis-management of land acquisition which was fully exploited by TMC for gaining political mileage. Also, we mustn't forget the atrocities by the LF supporters and cadres in rural WB. Who will forget Keshpur, Nanur, Nandigram? It's sad that today there's no alternative on state level for WB voters. But on national level, it's a catch 22 situation because both UPA & LF are going to join hands post election.
Re: Re: Re: The Left
by Haramohan Ray on May 13, 2009 12:39 PM
Of course there is no work culture in WB, but there is work culture in other states. So, the corruption index of India is below 120 ..... Sie, please note that corruption cannot come where there is 'work culture'! This apart, please compare the figures of atrocities against women, dowry death, female foeticide, casre and communal violences in other states and compare them to the figures in West Bengal - I am sure that you will get another dimension of development!
Re: The Left
by pawan on May 13, 2009 12:52 PM
talk about corruption why did the nirman bhavan in salt lake catch fire and all the imp document were burned after joty basu resign from chief minister they done no devlopment in bengal after their rule of 30 year.it is the porrest state in india in term of no of poors do you not think that 30 year is more then enough for development of state yu can take ex of modi in gujrat in 10year he has changed the face of gujrat or in raj vasundhra raje the kind of roads and infra that she has developed compare them with left .as the name says they are leftover of the past and still living in past
Re: Re: The Left
by Haramohan Ray on May 13, 2009 12:56 PM
In Karnataka, Maharashtra, UP, MP, Orissa and Bihar the per centage of people living below poverty line is more than the per centage in West Bengal. Please verify facts and then speak.
Re: Re: Re: The Left
by Indian on May 13, 2009 01:42 PM
Mr. Roy, by pointing fingers at other, our sins don't become any less. When we're talking of poor work culture, let's first accept it to be true. Next is corruption which is equally abundant in almost entire India. But let me tell you, in states like Guj, Mah, TN, AP the job gets done properly after one pays the bribe. But in WB even after paying the bribe, the job doesn't get done to the satisfaction of the payer. Atrocity in society is a reflection of the nature of the people. Bengalis are less aggressive as compared to their counterparts from UP, Bihar, Haryana etc. But the overall crime rate in WB is no less than other and WB fares badly in this. As per the ranking of Indian states done by economists Bibek Debroy and Laveesh Bhandari and published in India Today May 19,2003 issue, the ranks of Indian states in Law & Order are as below: Kerala 2001 (1) 1991 (1) T'Nadu 2001 (2) 1991 (3) Delhi 2001 (3) 1991 (5) Himachal 2001 (4) 1991 (6) Rajasthan 2001 (5) 1991 (7) Gujarat 2001 (6) 1991 (8) Karnataka 2001 (7) 1991 (4) Madhya Pr 2001 (8) 1991 (10) Goa 2001 (9) 1991 (2) M'rashtra 2001 (10) 1991 (9) Andhra 2001 (11) 1991 (13) Haryana 2001 (12) 1991 (12) Orissa 2001 (13) 1991 (11) Punjab 2001 (14) 1991 (17) J&Kashmir 2001 (15) 1991 (16) W'Bengal 2001 (16) 1991 (14) U'Pradesh 2001 (17) 1991 (18) Assam 2001 (18) 1991 (15) Bihar 2001 (19) 1991 (19)
Re: Re: Re: Re: The Left
by Indian on May 13, 2009 01:55 PM
Please check the same issue of India Today, you will get the ranking of Indian states in terms of population, prosperity & budget, education, agriculture, health, infrastructure, investment, consumer markets and the methodology too. In the Wikipedia, you will get the ranks of the Indian states by households having electricity, WB ranks no 23. The SDP rank of WB is no 5, but when you change the SDP per capita, the ranking changes dramatically and WB sinks to no 21.
Pakistan is going to come up with world largest atomic reactor with US aid(Yesterday's news) having capacity to come up with 5 nukes per year.
Why is America doing so?
We are opposing Indo-US nuke deal because the profit US will make out of India will be used to fund Pakistan again and as per the deal US can monitor our nuclear reactors.
Re: america's double game
by Haramohan Ray on May 13, 2009 12:02 PM
The nuke deal must be opposed because it is a sell-out to the USA, and also because it has the potential to turn India into an US military ally.
Re: Re: america's double game
by Indian on May 13, 2009 12:37 PM
Which clauses in the nuke deal confirms that it is a sell-out to the USA? Please educate us.
Re: Re: Re: america's double game
by Haramohan Ray on May 13, 2009 12:44 PM
Please read the article by Siddharth Varadarajan. It is available on the net. You'll get the answer.
appriciate your comment.I am not among the people who is blind to own bad side and other's good side.
But you are not appreciating the below fact and that is showing that you are blindly opposing left:
1) Keral is in 5th place in keeping less % of people BPL. 2) WB is ahead of states like Maharstra,Madhya Pradesh,Karnataka,UP etc... 3) What happened to other state who don't had to suffer partition.
Kindly hit us at our negetive that will open our eyes but appreciate our posetive like a brave unbiased person.
Re: @debasish
by debasish on May 13, 2009 12:11 PM
Everytime I visit Kolkata I see all my friends who are educated are out of Bengal now, such is the progress of Bengal
Re: Re: @debasish
by hanif muhammed on May 13, 2009 12:26 PM
Just shows how punjus are better than the southern states with IT income. Also Kerala is more prosperous than AP. Unpardonable is small states like Uttarakhand having 40% poverty. Orissa is a very sad affair, Navin Patnaik buck up now that you have useless fundamentalists out of your way.
Re: Re: Re: @debasish
by JGN on May 13, 2009 12:31 PM
hanif muhammed, are you telling us that your 1slamic Utopias (Pak and Bengla) are better than Orsissa or Uttarkhand???
Re: Re: Re: Re: @debasish
by charmaine lazarus on May 13, 2009 03:29 PM
Navin Patnaik's state will now prosper as he has got rid of the parties which were pulling the state in the reverse gear. Patnaiks guts are really to be admired.
Re: Re: @debasish
by Argumentative Indian on May 13, 2009 12:55 PM
The statistics are correct. Please interpret them correctly.
Maharashtra has a higher % of people BPL than Kerala & WB. What does this mean? Employment opportunities in Maharashtra are lower than WB and Rajashthan and Kearala? Maharashtra is 'generating' people BPL?
Poor people immigrate to Maharashtra, from WB, Bihar, Orrissa, Kerala, in search of jobs.
Punjab is a rich state, but not through industrialization, but throug Argiculture. The migrant job seekers coming to Punjab are agragarian, they stay in Punjab in the Harvesting / planting season and then go to other states for employment.
Re: Re: Re: @debasish
by JGN on May 13, 2009 01:21 PM
No, in major parts of Maharashtra like Vibardha people are indeed poor. Maharashtra does not considt of Mumbai and Pune! Go to the interior areas to see the face of poverty. Maximum number of famers have committed suiciide in Maharashtra and AP, ruled by the Congis.
debasish, are you telling us that the Congis woke up from a 50 year long slumber just yesterday? Were they not aware of "History and Geography" when they were licking the "commies" inside and outside for four and a half-years for running their Govt???
It was the Great Jawahar Nehru who as responsible for the debacle in Chines war. He entered into a useless "Panchsheel Agreement" and thought that no Country would attack us. He allowed his Finance Minister, TT Krishnamachary (he owned the TTK-Prestige Group) to manufacture "House-hold appliances" at our Ordnance Factories and when our Armed Forces faced the enemy, there wer no "ammunitions" left in their hands nor Ordnance Factories were equipped to manufacture any within short notice!!! Look into the mirror before hurling abuses at others.
Had it not been for the maverick, Sam Manekshaw, Assam would have been lost for ever. Even now the people of Assam quote the "withdrawal speech" of Jawahar Lal Nehru in support of their demand for freedom as the rightly feel that the Congis abandoned them at the crucial moment.
Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by debasish on May 13, 2009 12:07 PM
Did Neheru's ghost ask Jyoti basu and Partho Dey (ed min) to destroy the future of nearly a crore students by taking out English from WB board syllabus. Even if Nehru underestimated China, does it mean that India attacked China? Did I support Congress? Why are you pointing fingures to others instead of admitting the fact that CPM has done nothing but mistakes in their 32 years of rule in WB. And do not talk about hypocracy since you are the supporter of Jyoti Basu, who is the greates hypocrit of modern India, talked about the proletareates and lived life like a king
Re: Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by Haramohan Ray on May 13, 2009 12:12 PM
Mr Debashis, you may not know that English was eithsrawn from the primary level as per the recommendation of the Khosla Commission, the education commission appointed by the central government. The WB govt only implemented the recommendation. Also, you may not know that in the 70s and 80s, English was not taught in any government school in any Indian state, except a few like Kerala and some NE states. Please check facts. The left front government is often criticised for withdrawal of English, but the governments of Bihar, UP, MP, Rajasthan etc are never criticised for the same act. Do you not think that it is motuvated?
Re: Re: Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by Indian on May 13, 2009 12:53 PM
Mr. Roy, which Khosla commission are you talking about? The only Khosla commission that can be found from news archives is the one appointed in July 1970 to re-investigate the circumstances surrounding the supposed death of Netaji. Please give us correct information.
Re: Re: Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by Argumentative Indian on May 13, 2009 12:58 PM
Why did WB govt. implement a BS recommendation? I've lived outside WB for the greater part of my life, and studied in Eng. medium. This education has put me leagues ahead in employability from my cousins in WB, many of whom are much smarter than I am.
Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by debasish on May 13, 2009 12:07 PM
Man you are a true communist. Ruining the careers of more than 75 lakh students is trivial, right. Helping the cause of an enemy state is also OK. Do you have any shame and/or conscience left?
Re: Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by JGN on May 13, 2009 12:20 PM
debasish, I am almost apolitical. I stopped supporting CPI (M) the day the late Mr. H.K.S. Surjeet started fancying himself as a Modernday "Chanakya" and started hobnobbing with the Congis. I still vote for CPI (M) as there is no better Political Party in India. There is no need to oppose each and every act of the "Commies" just for the heck of it.
As for English Education, just a few days back Mr. Malayam Singh opposed thte same. Why don't you talk about that? His right-hand man, Abu Azmi was telling that "mecanization" is the cause of Employment!!!!
Education in vernacular medium upto 8th Standard is better than education in English medium. Even well known Educationists like Malcolm Adiseshiah was in favour of the same.
Re: Re: Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by JGN on May 13, 2009 12:26 PM
......Abu Azmi was telling that "mechanization" is the cause of unemployment!!!!
Re: Re: Great Congi hypocracy!!!!!
by JGN on May 13, 2009 12:28 PM
>>>>>>>>Helping the cause of an enemy state is also OK.................who helped the enemy State? Why are repeating the same baseless allegation??
