A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 09:43 PM Permalink | Hide replies
Name one, just one candidate from the Congress, who is a H indoo? This is still the land known as Bharat, India and Hindustan. So far, no Congress supporter, or minority persons, some of whom have been using cheap shots at Hi ndus and Hin duism, have dared to respond. You wonder why?
Congress was started by britishers thorough hume and is now headed by another 'foreigner' how could bjp started by nationalists and lead by natives can join together?
Re: congress
by Peter Selvaraj on May 10, 2009 10:00 PM
Congress atleast gave us independence. Now BJP is dividing India in name of religion just like the British .
Re: Re: congress
by suckularism on May 10, 2009 10:06 PM
who said minorities first and rest last? who is coming up with more and more reservations? who is coming up with plans to do headcount in terms of religion in teh indian army also?
Re: Re: Re: congress
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 10:18 PM
Peter, Congress gave us independence, and we must be dependent on them for generations, together, even if they are now run by one family concern.
Re: Re: congress
by Surya on May 10, 2009 10:08 PM
Congress has not given independence. It is the people who have fought the Britishers sacrificing themselves for the sake of independence. And it is Congress which is dividing the country on caste and religion basis not the BJP.
Re: Re: Re: congress
by Peter Selvaraj on May 10, 2009 10:14 PM
I meant Congress was responsible for our independence, along with all the freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh,Chandrasekar Azad,Netaji,Vanchi Nathan and all. Gandhiji of the Indian National Congress was though the key figure in the freedom struggle and the father of our Nation .Gandhiji was needed as a link between the Moderates and the Extremists .Vande Mataram .Thai Manne Vannakam.Jai Hind
Re: Re: congress
by JGN on May 10, 2009 10:07 PM
Peter Selvaraj, there is no connection between the Congress party which fought for freedom and the present Congress party. The present Congress party is the Pvt Ltd Co started by Mrs. Indira Gandhi and now lead by "fake Gandhis".
Re: Re: congress
by Fried Yakov on May 10, 2009 10:05 PM
Congress gave us independence???????? Is independence a community to be given by somebody?? What about the thousands of other freedom fighters??
Re: Re: Re: congress
by Peter Selvaraj on May 10, 2009 10:14 PM
I meant Congress was responsible for our independence, along with all the freedom fighters like Bhagat Singh,Chandrasekar Azad,Netaji,Vanchi Nathan and all. Gandhiji of the Indian National Congress was though the key figure in the freedom struggle and the father of our Nation .Gandhiji was needed as a link between the Moderates and the Extremists .Vande Mataram .Thai Manne Vannakam.Jai Hind
Re: Re: Re: Re: congress
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 10:25 PM
Peter Selvaraj, would you like to respond to the point posed in my query? You have gone off track.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: congress
by suckularism on May 10, 2009 10:29 PM
they are not ruling india as a whole... its like george bush and his father... ruling but the entire family doeznt rule... like pappa momma son sons son.. wait nd watch now that prayanka is mom.. there is another person waitin in wings to rule this country...
Re: Re: Re: Re: congress
by Flower on May 10, 2009 10:27 PM
Peter,I am reminding you that congress divided our coutry.Iam a victim of that partition.Rediff please dont censor this message ,because it is the truth.I will never support this false gandhi-maino family;because of the lust for power of that family we lost everything in that partition;and they are swelling their swiss bank account with that blood money.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: congress
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 10:55 PM
This chap, Peter, is not capable replying with any logic. Jaswant Singh, or his son, will never ever become Prime Minister of India. The Congress is made subservient to the whims and fancies of one family.
Re: Re: Re: congress
by Flower on May 10, 2009 10:09 PM
Actually congress divided this country into Pakistan,Bangladesh and India.What do these gaddars know?
Re: Re: Re: @ new yorker
by New York on May 10, 2009 10:48 PM
* You must vote for candidate from your CASTE. * You must vote for him **TILL** 85% of all registered marriages are INTER-CASTE. * He will UNDERSTAND your culture and IMPROVE your socio-economic status.
Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 09:59 PM
Ah, well here we go again, the merry go round by rediff MODERATORS. Message held back for review
Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by New York on May 10, 2009 11:43 PM
Hinduism is a covert mask for Casteism which intrinsically seeds HATRED in your Children (e.g.Varun Gandhi). Hinduism is a hierarchical (and not groups) based irrational system of keeping one CASTE (Brahmins?) over everyone else.
In America there is no system in place today that forces people to remain separate or keeps one class subservient to another. If you were born the son of a street sweeper, but excelled, you could become a doctor or lawyer or some celebrity or entrepreneur - and at the same time you would be fully accepted by your peers.
Not so in India. The caste system freezes everyone in place. It is extremely difficult - almost impossible - for someone from the lowest caste to rise in education and social status.
A Dalit would never be allowed to marry into one of the higher castes and would never be accepted as an equal. And for a Dalit to make it into MEDICAL school or opening a RESTAURANT or become a PRIEST in a temple or become a member of high SOCIETY in India is very rare indeed. Only by escaping from the grasp of Hinduism do they have much of a chance.
And India is the nation of around 5000 such castes aka hierarchical communities where 99.99% marriages are still held within caste. The SOLUTION is you must only vote for candidate from your CASTE **TILL** 85% of all registered marriages in India are INTER-CASTE.
If I were the Prime Minister of India, I would AMEND Constitution accordingly.
Re: Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 10:14 PM
Are you a Hin du?My question was very specific to Congress? Mysore Rajesh, the plain fact is no one, not a single person from the Congress who may be a Hin du will say it. You analyse and answer the question, why?
Barack Obama took care to say "I Barack Hussain Obama" on taking the oath. But he has been very very careful to project himself as a Christian. Godron Brown, Sarkozy, the Canadians, Australians, Germany, Austria, Belgium, rest of Europe are very clear about their religious identity. Why should a Congressman Hin du in Hindustan be wary of even admitting to himself his own faith.
Re: Re: Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 10:22 PM
Oye Moderator, please don't delete Mysore Rajesh message, because the context in which I have responded will be missing. Now, can I request you to "show reply" in my posts held back for review? There is nothing inflamatory, abusive, or controversial there.
Re: Re: Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by Mysore Rajesh on May 10, 2009 10:30 PM
Go back to history and understand hindhus, jains, budhists, sikhs, veerashivas and etc.
How these all came into existence. After independece all were taken as hindhus. Even today some of the above mentioned sects consider themselves not Hindhus.
First try to unite them. Here you have many kinds of Hindhus, whereas in Nepal you find only one type that is Hindhu. We should introspect ourselves what we are doing to Hindhusim, rather then politically going to do for it. Till we have contributed for the community it never becomes strong, till then u find conversions and voilence.
Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by TrueIndian on May 10, 2009 09:46 PM
Is every Hind00 foolish that MKGC leaders hope to win ? S0nia Mulli Congress , Mamta and other MKJC ( MULLO KEE G A N D CHAT00 )leaders have a common Policy-- MULLO KEE G A N D CHATNA and HINDV0 KEE G A N D MARNA aur APNE AAP K0 SECULAR KEHNA” (Eat Musslim Shit and Punish Hind00s and say itself Secular)
Re: Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 10:03 PM
"TrueIndian" please refrain from using the language that bhimgoel has used.
Re: A CHALLENGE TO ALL SECULARISTS
by New York on May 10, 2009 10:26 PM
* G a n d h i family have an undeniable and unprecedented advantage to REPRESENT national integrity and SOCIAL HARMONY even in remote villages of India. * They inherited P-A-R-S-I, I-S-L-A-M, H-I-N-D-U and C-H-R-I-S-T-I-A-N cultures.
Re: support BJP for nationalism./ Prosperity
by bhimgoel on May 10, 2009 09:43 PM
More Leaders / Parties are adopting Congress Policy “MULLO KEE G A N D CHATNA and HINDV0 KEE G A N D MARNA” (Eat Musslim Shit and Punish Hind00s )
Re: Re: support BJP for nationalism./ Prosperity
by TrueIndian on May 10, 2009 09:47 PM
To survive finish Congressism first Congressism is MULLO KEE G A N D CHATNA and HINDV0 KEE G A N D MARNA aur APNE AAP K0 SECULAR KEHNA” (Eat Musslim Shit and Punish Hind00s and say itself Secular)
Re: support BJP for nationalism./ Prosperity
by Amar Singh on May 10, 2009 09:45 PM
Bhimgoel, please, please stay away from these forums, your ugly posts are just ugly.
Re: Re: Re: BJP leaders are mentally ill.
by virat v on May 10, 2009 09:54 PM
maiyya - i m da*lit * be*ti, the most deserved. mulla - i m the minority protector, the most able pm.
Re: Re: Re: Re: BJP leaders are mentally ill.
by virat v on May 10, 2009 09:55 PM
mamata - i m the 'right' candidate for pm (coz, i m against the 'left')
Re: BJP leaders are mentally ill.
by bhimgoel on May 10, 2009 09:44 PM
Only Paaki Piiigs can say these baseless things. We can just Hate & Ignore the venomous creature like you!
rahul is asking coalition from all the parties except bjp. he wants left support when he has coalition with mamata, nitesh kumar alongwith lalu/paswan. aidmk alongwith dmk. he wants all except bjp. he has praised nitesh to unbelievable extent.
now only left is modi. rahul is now going to lure modi, as he is a charismatic leader, asking modi to leave bjp n join cong coalition.
Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by JGN on May 10, 2009 09:33 PM
Yes, even Modi will become a "Saint" once he joins or supports Congis. Don't you remember Chagan Bhujbal, Narayan Rane, Sanjay Nirupam, etc??? They all are now "Saints"!!! Even Advani will become a Saint if he joins Congis.
Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by virat v on May 10, 2009 09:44 PM
hey jgn. i cudnt post u the reply last night. just for ur info, repeating.
i request u not to rely too much on science. albert einstein himself said that science is ever changing process. he said his discoveries hv made newton's principles wrong. but he admitted the fact that after 1 or 2 centuries, even his own principles might b proved wrong. without demeaning science, it can b said that at least einstein realised the fact n limitations of science.
i vl gv u more examples. i believe, few years back, tooth paste manufacturers believed that fluoride is better for the teeth. then subsequently its proved that fluoride is harmful for teeth.
similarly few years back, for any problems in cough/cold, doctors recommended for removal of tonsils, but now they r against such removal.
in hundred years of schooling, ppl hv been taught of sun having 9 planets but 2 years back, now the ninth planet pluto removed out of our planetory system. so v were taught such wrong theories in the name of science.
even scientists themselves r not that much confident abt their own theories but v ppl assume them as the universal truth or law of nature.
one more thing, science is boasting of going to the moon or space. but i challence them to go to the bermuda triangle areas. they hvnt solved the mystery of the place in the earth itself.
if i dont see the air in the atmosphere, that doesnt mean that there is nothing like air in this world. science relies on proofs n has too much limitation
Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by JGN on May 10, 2009 10:04 PM
Dear Virat, it is not the responsibility of the atheists to prove whether g0d exists or not. I am not a dogmatic atheist. If someone wants to believe in some g0d, I have no problem. Confine that to the four walls of one's house or to the respective places of worship. Don't bring g0d/g0ds on to the streets and create problem for others.
Pl re_ad "G0d Delusion" by Richard Dawkins, "The Necessity of Atheism" by Dr. D.M. Brooks and G0ds, Demons and Spirits by Dr. A.T. Kovoor. You would get a better idea about Atheism. Also visit the web of "Positive Atheism".
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by virat v on May 10, 2009 10:12 PM
i agree with ur first para. its our personal belifef n shud remain personal only.
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by suckularism on May 10, 2009 10:17 PM
religion is like a underwear its good that u have it... but not necessary to show off to others... nor try to harvest souls for wearing u r underwear just b coz u feel confortable in it...
Re: Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by virat v on May 10, 2009 09:58 PM
my intention is only to prove that even science is not complete, accepted by the biggest scientists themselves.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by JGN on May 10, 2009 10:05 PM
That does no prove the existence of any g0d. In the middle ages only a few scientists believed that the earth goes round the sun. The Churches had even burnt Scientists for saying so!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by virat v on May 10, 2009 10:16 PM
true. but still science hsnt solved the mystery of a place on the earth, 'bermuda triangle'. n is boasting of going to the moon or space.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by suckularism on May 10, 2009 10:18 PM
listen its good to be a atheist... b coz only a atheist will think about whats a thunder and lighting is? while a believer in god will believe that its due to god and leave it away...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by suckularism on May 10, 2009 10:37 PM
its not just a name its something which kaangi is doing...
Re: Re: rahul gandhi inviting modi.
by virat v on May 10, 2009 09:46 PM
i foresee cong asking modi to dump bjp n follow his development model in coalition with cong (but under the leadership of sonia-mania).
