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rohit menezes
TO JGN
by rohit menezes on May 04, 2009 02:22 PM  | Hide replies

I THINK THAT YOU ARE SOME KIND OF A PERSON WHO BELONGS TO A POLITICAL PARTY. IF SO THEN PLEASE DONT TRY TO CREATE RIFTS AMONGST DIFFERENT COMMUNITIES. and if not then god save you because even a hindu god wont tolerate so much hatred for other person

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JGN
Re: TO JGN
by JGN on May 04, 2009 02:31 PM
Mr.rohit menezes, I do not care for any Re1igion (including mine) but I am dead against your Churches as they were responsible for the downfall of the first elected Communist govt in Kerala, lead by the late EMS. Even during the current elections they had issued dime-a-dozen Pastoral letters asking their followers not to vote for "non-believers" (Communists). I do not have any hatred for the common X'tians.


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JGN
Common people are pawns
by JGN on May 04, 2009 02:15 PM  | Hide replies

The re1igious fanatics have been barring their claws in Kerala for the past several months in the name of an innocuous lesson titled “Jeevan without Religion” in the VII Std Text Book. The first causality of the same was a poor Chriistian teacher at Malappuram. And wonder of wonder, all obscurantist forces like RSS/NSS/SNDP/Muslim Education Society/Muslim League, various denominations of Churches, etc are hand-in-glove while opposing the duly elected Govt in Kerala.

The Churches were responsible for the downfall of the first elected Communist govt in Kerala headed by the late EMS in the name of some reforms in the Education sector brought by none other than the late Prof. Joseph Mundassery. Even during the current election also the Churches had issue Pastoral Letters across Kerala asking their followers not to vote for the "Non-believers" (Communists) and had even told that BJP is still better as they believe in some "G0D". When they cannot tolerate a Secular Party like CPI (M) whom are they going to tolerate?

Even our present Defence Minister, Mr. A.K. Anthony was fed up of the blackmailing of the minorities and had openly expressed his displeasure when he was the CM of Kerala.


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rohit menezes
Re: Common people are pawns
by rohit menezes on May 04, 2009 02:19 PM
If you take so much interest in reading all these articles in which you do not know what is the exact reason and blame the christian community, try reading some good work which were done by mother teresa and other saints who dedicated their lives for the untouchables without any support from anyone. As i told you no one is perfect if there is god,there is evil. Instead of trying to get more information about what the christian community has done bad, check what is has done for the betterment of people. When hindus discarded the untouchable, christians helped them as you say no matter by what reason.If you feel this is wrong try to convince RSS/BJP to use the same tactics to reconvert them rather than resorting to violent means. Play tit for tat RATHER THAN JUST COMPLAINING. Believe me these political parties wont help them.Just Try

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JGN
Re: Re: Common people are pawns
by JGN on May 04, 2009 02:29 PM
Some people have done something good but that has nothing to do with X'tianity. That is due to the inherent goodness of humanbeings.

We all belong to the same specie called "Ho*mo sapien sapien". All other divisions are man-made. No Re1igion is better than the other. No Re1igion has ever stopped people from committing crimes.

If your Re1igion is good for you, practice that. Nobody has any objection. At the same time, leave people like the freedom not to believe in any G0D also.

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pamsask
Re: Re: Re: Common people are pawns
by pamsask on May 04, 2009 04:45 PM
JGN if you believe that all religions are good then why bash someone else's religion. What have the Christians ever done to you that you even refuse to give them proper respect & called them Christians but instead prefer to call them X'tians. If you do not respect your own religion does not mean you can use abusive & foul language while talking about other religions.

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JGN
Re: Re: Re: Re: Common people are pawns
by JGN on May 04, 2009 05:24 PM
Using X'tians has nothing to do with respecting them or not respecting. Certain words goes in for "automatic report abuse" on Rediff. So I use wrong spelling to avoid that.

Where did I say "All Re1igions are good" ?? Are you halucinating??

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JGN
A question to all Chriistians
by JGN on May 04, 2009 02:05 PM  | Hide replies

How many of you know that the body of our present Defence Minister, Mr. A.K. Anthony’s father was buried in the grave meant for “rogues”? How many of you have heard of the persecution of the late Prof. M.P. Paul and Prof. Joseph Mundassery at the hands of the Churches?

A divorced Chri_stian woman cannot receive “sacrament” (bread and wine representing the body and blood of Jesus) and a Chriistian woman has no right in the property of her parents. Have you heard of Mary Roy (mother of famous author Arundhati Roy) case which was contested up to the SC of India? That was for enforcing her rights over ancestral property.

When such persons were at the mercy of the Churches what chance an ordinary Christian has to disagree with them?

Don't think that every one questioning the blind faiths is an RSS/VHP worker. I am a Communist.

Pl keep your hands on your heart and say that you are happy with the activities of the Churches.


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rohit menezes
Re: A question to all Chriistians
by rohit menezes on May 04, 2009 02:16 PM
If you take so much interest in reading all these articles in which you do not know what is the exact reason and blame the christian community, try reading some good work which were done by mother teresa and other saints who dedicated their lives for the untouchables without any support from anyone. As i told you no one is perfect if there is god,there is evil. Instead of trying to get more information about what the christian community has done bad, check what is has done for the betterment of people. When hindus discarded the untouchable, christians helped them as you say no matter by what reason.If you feel this is wrong try to convince RSS/BJP to use the same tactics to reconvert them rather than resorting to violent means. Play tit for tat RATHER THAN JUST COMPLAINING. Beleve me these political parties wont help them.Just Try

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rohit menezes
Re: A question to all Chriistians
by rohit menezes on May 04, 2009 02:17 PM
If you take so much interest in reading all these articles in which you do not know what is the exact reason and blame the christian community, try reading some good work which were done by mother teresa and other saints who dedicated their lives for the untouchables without any support from anyone. As i told you no one is perfect if there is god,there is evil. Instead of trying to get more information about what the christian community has done bad, check what is has done for the betterment of people. When hindus discarded the untouchable, christians helped them as you say no matter by what reason.If you feel this is wrong try to convince RSS/BJP to use the same tactics to reconvert them rather than resorting to violent means. Play tit for tat RATHER THAN JUST COMPLAINING. Beleve me these political parties wont help them.Just Try

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JGN
Re: Re: A question to all Chriistians
by JGN on May 04, 2009 02:26 PM
Mr.rohit menezes, I do not care for any Re1igion (including mine) but I am dead against your Churches as they were responsible for the downfall of the first elected Communist govt in Kerala, lead by the late EMS. Even during the current elections they had issued dime-a-dozen Pastoral letters asking their followers not to vote for "non-believers" (Communists).

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Indian
JGN your response please.
by Indian on May 04, 2009 01:32 PM  | Hide replies

JGN, I'm glad to see your response. At the same time I'm disappointed because I was expecting more on this subject from you.
I have not only heard about Prajapati Brahmakumaris but have visited their few ashramas in Abu, Baroda and Navi Mumbai etc.
I have a maid from AP whose family converted to christianity by the missionaries. She tells me that they are better off now. They were provided education, medical help when needed and also other helps towards development like installing tubewell in their village etc. Earlier I had a maid also a convert but from UP. She candidly said that they got money to get converted but her family had to flee from Agra as the BJP/RSS/VHP supporters gave them tough time once their conversion news spread.
So do you see the two faces of misionaries. I have reasons to believe that there is indeed some good job being doen in the remote areas by them for the poorest of the poor. These wretched fellow are more concerned to remain alive. So how can we expect them to perform dharma and maintain a religion which gives them no benefit. Had VHP/RSS also got indulged into philanthropic acts like the missionaries, I would've had reasons to blame the converts. But I have seen evidences that there is some substance behind the conversions and not all of them are driven with the help of money.

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rohit menezes
Re: JGN your response please.
by rohit menezes on May 04, 2009 01:55 PM
JGN why do you hate christians so much. You have to understand there would be good and bad people on both sides. Its only the way u look at it.If u are planning to hate christians you'll hate them all your life ,but tell me sincerely whether did you see anyone offering money for someone to get converted or anyone repenting that he has been converted.

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JGN
Re: Re: JGN your response please.
by JGN on May 04, 2009 02:01 PM
My dear rohit menezes, I do not hate the X'tians but I am only against the conversion by deceit. If any one wants to convert out of his free-will, I have no objection but the Missionary Begg*ars should not make that a business. One of my S1ster-in-law is a X'tial gir1. We have not got her converted nor the boy has converted to X'tianity. We do not discriminate her.

Yes, I had seen how one family was deceived.

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signor maino
Re: Re: JGN your response please.
by signor maino on May 04, 2009 02:01 PM
Rohit....
I hate any kind of proselytizing antics by any religion in India.
I have seen some such people in action and it is outrageous that people stoop down to such low levels to convert and earn money.
This has become a source of income for certain people.
The website joshuaproject(.)net is a classic example of how low the missionaries have stooped down to.
I was utterly outraged when the TOI reported that the Church has asked all believers whom to vote for, this is against our very laws. Out vote is by ballot and no body can induce us in voting a specific party.
I had read the pamphlet released by the New Life Church in Dakshin Kannada openly abusing,taunting H1ndu gods in one of their proselytism drives in the area.
If this is conversion, I will oppose it with all my might.

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pamsask
Re: Re: Re: JGN your response please.
by pamsask on May 04, 2009 04:48 PM
If what you say is right Signor then why not bring those people to justice in legal, lawfull & democratic ways rather than killing 1000s of innocent Indians who had nothing to do with those alleged pamphlets. They weren't the ones who published those so called pamphlets.

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Stud
Re: JGN your response please.
by Stud on May 04, 2009 01:46 PM
Indian....
Allow me to answer that. Conversions are not the issue here, it is the method in which these people are converted which is nauseating.
To start with visit joshuaproject(.)net and see what designs these people have for Indics.
Nobody is against the Christians who were converted during the colonial era. Even the Sangh pariwar does not bother them. The problem is with the recent converts:
1. They are induced by means of money
2. If Christianity claims to be a casteless religion, then why does the Church encourage these people to demand for reservations?
3. These people are converted first of all saying that Hinduism ill treats you people, Christianity has no such caste system. This is hoodwinking.
4. The Church is supreme, recently the Church ordered all believers to vote only for select parties. Is the church above the law of our lands?
I am telling you this as I have been approached by AGENTS/DALALS, I gave them some food for thought, I asked them 75 Lacs for each of my 4 family members, a mercedes car and 100 acres of land, the dalals look absoluetly perplexed and had the temerity to actually tell me that WE WILL CHECK AND GET BACK TO YOU!!!!!!!!
This is their so called consensual conversion.

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JGN
Re: Re: JGN your response please.
by JGN on May 04, 2009 01:58 PM
India is a welfare State. It is the responsibility of the State (or Country) to help the poor. The same cannot be outsourced to the "Missionaries" or the equivalent of other re1igions.

You claim is not totally true. I know of thousands of poor X'tians in Kerala who are not helpped by the Churches in any way. Some of the gir1s are even forced to take up demeaning works (you know what). I had seen poor X'tian gir1s from Kerala working in hole-in-the-wall offices of Trasnport Companies in Masjid Bunder in Mumbai for as little as Rs. 250/ per month in the mid-1980s.

Caste sytem exists in X'tianity and 1slam also. Dowry menace is rampant in X'tianity and funnily enough even the Churches take a percentage of the same. Even the poor gir1s joining "Convents" are forced to take their share to such institutions and if they leave the convents for any reason, the money brought by those unfortunate gir1s are not reutrned at all. Pl read Dr. Jesmi's book for more details.

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rohit menezes
Re: Re: Re: JGN your response please.
by rohit menezes on May 04, 2009 02:03 PM
This is not true we donot promote dowrism and the church wouldnt participate. As far as poor people are concerned,Compared to other states Kerala is the most peaceful one,but i bet u let BJP enter and it will no longer be peaceful.and half of the christian population is poor.we be happy even if we get our everyday bread and butter

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JGN
Re: Re: Re: Re: JGN your response please.
by JGN on May 04, 2009 02:08 PM
My dear rohit menezes, pl try to bluff some one who is not aware of the Customs & practices of X'tians. I have large number of X'tian friends and I know what I am talking about.

You are yourself admitting that half of the Christiian population is poor. Then why the Missioanry Begg*ars are not helping them??

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Indian
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: JGN your response please.
by Indian on May 04, 2009 04:04 PM
Rohit, you've been trying to convince that the missionaries don't have a malicious motive behind helping the poor. JGN has seen many cases and I have also seen cases where conversion has been done by paying money. I fail to understand what's the benefit the missionaries going to derive out of converting poor people. Also, I find it extremely intolerable that the churches have started dictating people whom to vote or not etc. Don't you think this is like taking things too far?

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Water
Advani & his dream
by Water on May 04, 2009 01:11 PM  | Hide replies

I support Mr L.K. Advani to become Priminister in his dream Only. In real life he is "Zero" he hehehe ehehe ehehehhehe aaahhaaah ahaaahaha

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SWAMI
Re: Advani & his dream
by SWAMI on May 04, 2009 01:41 PM
YOU SEEM TO BE A BIG ZERO IN REAL LFE.WHETHER MR. ADVANI BECOMES PRIME MINISTER OR NOT IT IS NOT IN YOUR HANDS.HENCE KEEP QUIET .

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Water
Re: Re: Advani & his dream
by Water on May 04, 2009 01:47 PM
SWAMI RAYA ! Why you angry man, at Advani's cost ? hehehehe

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signor maino
Re: Re: Re: Advani & his dream
by signor maino on May 04, 2009 01:50 PM
H2O....By virtue of this it is the dream of the Congress:
1. Poverty in India will be eradicated.
2. All Indians will be educated.
3. India will be a super power.
4. India will live in Religious harmony.
So...methinks....this is all in their dreams right?

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SWAMI
Re: Re: Re: Advani & his dream
by SWAMI on May 04, 2009 02:53 PM
you look like you understand nothing simple and hence HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH.THA THIK DA

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SWAMI
Re: Re: Re: Advani & his dream
by SWAMI on May 04, 2009 02:50 PM
i feel pity for you you psuedo.HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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Balakumaran
Re: Advani & his dream
by Balakumaran on May 04, 2009 01:14 PM
oh moha. u will be cut full, not in dream, a reality wait, ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Balakumaran
Re: BEWARE BEWARE OF BJPeeeeee
by Balakumaran on May 04, 2009 01:17 PM
you don't need jobs right, most of the u keep do*ing do*ggy style, when will u work

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SWAMI
Re: BEWARE BEWARE OF BJPeeeeee
by SWAMI on May 04, 2009 01:13 PM
STOP REPEATING THIS .YOU SEEM TO BE A ILLITERATE.

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signor maino
Re: A Dog = Modi
by signor maino on May 04, 2009 01:06 PM
Swine = Mus1lm loving Sonia

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prabhakar timothy
Re: Re: A Dog = Modi
by prabhakar timothy on May 04, 2009 01:24 PM
this guy likes to piss in ganga

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signor maino
Re: Re: Re: A Dog = Modi
by signor maino on May 04, 2009 01:36 PM
PT: the ganga in vatican you mean?

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dudehere
Re: A Dog = Modi
by dudehere on May 04, 2009 01:00 PM
hey y arent u talkin of nellie massacre or the sikh riots? arent they humans too?

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