Sometime later, if not today, Gujaratis will also realise that Modi misled them by converting his communal approach into Gujarati self-respect. The people who were killed were also Gujaratis. Whenever he is accused of planning and executing all that happened in the wake of the Godhra train burning, Modi plays on Gujarati sentiment and argues that in reality it is they who are being run down. This is how he has got away with murder. Gujaratis do not deserve a chief minister who builds his reputation at their cost and polarises society to escape its wrath.
Re: justice will be done
by Imran on Apr 27, 2009 11:47 AM
Sometimes what matters is not the truth but as to what is propagated and made a part of social psyche. One cannot but draw many analogies from Hitler who went on to create a fascist state, and in due course do away with the democracy. This also led to the disintegration of Germany and its terrible defeat the World War II, rupturing the German national fabric. There also, one saw the charisma of one person overshadowing the party. There also the polarization was brought in and sustained by targeting one after the other community or social group. In Gujarat one sees the targeting of M8slims followed by the Christians. What will follow next will unfold shortly? The only difference between the German and Gujarat analogy is that in Germany the nation came under the impact of the fascist boots at a rapid pace in most of the parts of the state, while here the trishuls are marching at different pace in different states. In Gujarat the RSS agenda seems to have come close to the peak, while in other states, the march is on and is in different stages of intimidation of democracy.
Re: justice will be done
by Hindustani on Apr 27, 2009 11:48 AM
Imran ppl like u and pseudo tried their level best to critiseze Modi but Gujratis are smart enough to see through the hypocrisy of NDTV and congress. So keep bashing MOdi and PPL of Gujarat will keepp voting Modi. More u critisize more they vote for him.
Re: Re: justice will be done
by Imran on Apr 27, 2009 11:54 AM
Had the Nanavati-Shah Commission which was set up to ascertain the truth, submitted its report, Modi would have probably been exposed by this time. But even after five years the inquiry committee is still conducting its investigation. It seems as if the judges are extending their job after retirement.
Re: Re: Re: justice will be done
by Bharat Vasi on Apr 27, 2009 12:04 PM
Imran... Nanavati shah commission has already submitted its report. It is the Congress led UPA which does not want the report to be tabled. Get you facts right once in a while. Go to the Supreme Court and beat them, coz Nanavati Shah Commission was appointed by them.
Re: Re: Re: justice will be done
by Karthikeyan Ramakrishna on Apr 27, 2009 12:14 PM
Mera Vote BJP Ko and i already voted, If you are a real Indian you will Vote for BJP. Myself and all of my fellow freinds, Groups college mates and all youth voted for BJP. We all are Indians who love integrity
Re: Re: Re: Re: justice will be done
by Bharat Vasi on Apr 27, 2009 12:16 PM
KR: In this Dharma Yudh we have to vote for the BJP. Thank you for chipping in to save our Country and Religion.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: justice will be done
by geetanjli on Apr 27, 2009 12:27 PM
a fact by truthisgolden on Apr 27, 2009 11:53 AM Permalink | Hide replies | Hide message
In my perception, a god should be a perfectionist. Out of many qualities he has, i take this quality because he is the master of this universe and he has created everything so perfect that no body can question his design. So perfect that everything runs the way he created it. Take the case of a human being, he is made of systems like neuro, digestive, bloood circulation n many more so complicated that only a perfectionist cud design it.
Now that we know that one of the quality of god is that he is a perfectionist. Let us attribute that character to few gods around us
Shivvva : He cannot be a god. He could not identify his own son gannnnesha, who was protecting his mother parrrvathi. She was bathing and ganesssssh was protecting her. When a god cannot identity his own son who is standing before him, how can he know what is deep in my heart and mind. What is that i will need and what is that i wont need. How can he identify my prayers and heed to it.
Brahma : How can he be a perfectionist when ran across the feilds and chased saraswathi who he created from his own seeeemeen.
Vishnu avatar Ram : He could not protect his own wife from getting kidnapped. how will he protect me? he doubted his own wife and could not make out what she feels from within her heart. How can he read me?
n so on... when they are not one..why should we fight
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: justice will be done
by geetanjli on Apr 27, 2009 12:27 PM
a fact by truthisgolden on Apr 27, 2009 11:53 AM Permalink | Hide replies | Hide message
In my perception, a god should be a perfectionist. Out of many qualities he has, i take this quality because he is the master of this universe and he has created everything so perfect that no body can question his design. So perfect that everything runs the way he created it. Take the case of a human being, he is made of systems like neuro, digestive, bloood circulation n many more so complicated that only a perfectionist cud design it.
Now that we know that one of the quality of god is that he is a perfectionist. Let us attribute that character to few gods around us
Shivvva : He cannot be a god. He could not identify his own son gannnnesha, who was protecting his mother parrrvathi. She was bathing and ganesssssh was protecting her. When a god cannot identity his own son who is standing before him, how can he know what is deep in my heart and mind. What is that i will need and what is that i wont need. How can he identify my prayers and heed to it.
Brahma : How can he be a perfectionist when ran across the feilds and chased saraswathi who he created from his own seeeemeen.
Vishnu avatar Ram : He could not protect his own wife from getting kidnapped. how will he protect me? he doubted his own wife and could not make out what she feels from within her heart. How can he read me?
n so on... when they are not one..why should we fight
You will find lakhs of hindoos feeling hurt for post godhra, but u wud hardly find a singleee muzzzlim feeling apologetic towards the lakhs of kashmiri panditsss and those hindooos who lost their livesss in godhra massacre. None of the muzzzlims ever talk about the Godhra massacre. Their concern about gujrat riots begin and end with muzzzlims. They dont care that hindooss also lost their livesss in those riots. Neither do the so called seculars like NDTV and So called NGOsss. Nor does thattt big mouttth lady Teesta Sehelwad.
The formula used is that all terrorists are M*slims, baying for the blood of H*ndus and RSS combine is their only savior. The propaganda is that while so many terror attacks are taking place all over the country, the H*ndus in Gujarat are safe due to Modi/BJP/RSS. The fact is in during NDA regime and also during the rule of Modi major terror attacks have taken place including the attack on parliament and Akshardham. This, so called attitude towards terrorists is projected by RSS combine as Nationalism. Nationalism as such should mean sticking to the values of freedom movement and Indian constitution. The second illusion created is that of progress of Gujarat. As such Gujarat was already amongst the leading developing states. Now it is being presented that all this is due to Modi. Goebells is being beaten hollow in the techniques of innovating the propaganda techniques.
Re: lies & lies
by Bharat Vasi on Apr 27, 2009 11:50 AM
Yes....Terror attacks happened during NDA: 1. Parliament attack ; IN 40 MINUTES MUSL1MS WERE SHOT DEAD IN THE GARDENS OF THE PARLIAMENT. 2. All other Musl1ms who were involved were arrested in 24 to 48 hours, by the end of the week, they were produced in court and the trial began. Death sentences have been pronounced in 2003. 3. Akshardham attack: after regaining from the shock, Guj. Police cleared the massive temple complex of 1000 worshipers and kept ready BLUE PRINTS,MAPS etc for the NSG. 4. Result all Musl1ms killed in the next 24 hours. 5. Again withing a week the LOCAL MUSL1MS were booked and tried in the courts. 6. Ahmedabad Blasts in 2008: Guj. Police arrested Musl1ms from UP,Maharahstra and Gujarat booked them within a fortnight and put them to trial.
COMPARE THIS TO 26/11, Congress ruled Maharashtra government failed to produce the Blue Prints, Maps for the TAJ and Oberoi hotels,RESULT OPERATION WENT ON FOR 4 DAYS, The trial has started now, 4 months after the strikes. To top it all, Congress is saying that no Local Musl1ms are involved. This is not possible.
Re: Re: lies & lies
by Imran on Apr 27, 2009 12:05 PM
Don’t talk abt justice when u support a ki@ler liker modi and ODDVANI calls Hemant Karkare a deshdrohi and supports prgaya
Re: Re: Re: lies & lies
by Bharat Vasi on Apr 27, 2009 12:09 PM
Imran... I am not talking about justice at all. Why should I. Prove me wrong, if what I have stated is false, otherwise. I support Modi for his governance. Advani too for his experience. Re. Hemant Karkare ; Under Julio Ribeirio the then Bombay CP, under whom Hemant Karkare cut his teeth, he went on shooting Musl1ms under world at will, the Musl1ms then went to the Maharashtra government to have this very same Hemantbhau booked, and now he has become a champion for Musl1ms. Read..facts for a while and not the comics given to you by your leaders.
Re: lies & lies
by Imran on Apr 27, 2009 11:43 AM
I believe, a person begins to die the day he sees an act of injustice being committed but keeps quiet. The Congress is not coming out openly because its approach is political. It is not sure how the Gujarati H*ndus would react to it. The party would have reacted differently if it had realised that murder was murder, whatever the fallout of its exposure. As for the BJP, it is hoodwinking the people because it knows that both Modi and the party have been thoroughly exposed. The complicity of the Congress in the death of 3,000 Sikhs in Delhi does not justify the Gujarat k*llings. In both cases, those who committed the crime should have been punished.
Re: Re: lies & lies
by Imran on Apr 27, 2009 11:45 AM
Sometimes what matters is not the truth but as to what is propagated and made a part of social psyche. One cannot but draw many analogies from Hitler who went on to create a fascist state, and in due course do away with the democracy. This also led to the disintegration of Germany and its terrible defeat the World War II, rupturing the German national fabric. There also, one saw the charisma of one person overshadowing the party. There also the polarization was brought in and sustained by targeting one after the other community or social group. In Gujarat one sees the targeting of M8slims followed by the Christians. What will follow next will unfold shortly? The only difference between the German and Gujarat analogy is that in Germany the nation came under the impact of the fascist boots at a rapid pace in most of the parts of the state, while here the trishuls are marching at different pace in different states. In Gujarat the RSS agenda seems to have come close to the peak, while in other states, the march is on and is in different stages of intimidation of democracy.
Re: Re: Re: lies & lies
by Tulika Chatterjee on Apr 27, 2009 11:50 AM
Come on, no one said all terr0rists are M0zlems. You are just making your own deductions and drawing false conclusions. In the long run it is going to affect your mentality and no one else's. Someone who says Mozlims can never be terr0rists - is as bad as someone who labels all of them as terr0rists.
Hope you realise that first. And as long as you keep copy-pasting from internet, you wont be able to apply reasoning.
Re: Re: Re: Re: lies & lies
by Imran on Apr 27, 2009 12:07 PM
How can I talk reason with people who support a murder like modi and want ODDVANI as PM who was the main guy who started the divison of our socity.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lies & lies
by Bharat Vasi on Apr 27, 2009 12:14 PM
Imran... First explain the communal violence in India since 1947. Explain the ethnic cleansing of Kash.Pandits in J & K 1989. If you cannot explain, you have no right ask anything. Your voting rights too must be taken away.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: lies & lies
by Tulika Chatterjee on Apr 27, 2009 12:22 PM
Yes you cannot. You are too quick to jump to conclusion and make everything a political issue like supporting Modi/Advani or Rahul/Sonia. You dont even want to reason.
Now that it is clear that Advani cannot become the PrimeMinister of India, it seems he is gonna try his luck in Pakistan. There is a huge fan base for Advani as he was born in Pakistan and people of pakistan feel him very close to their heart.
Re: Advani to try his luck in Pakistan
by Tulika Chatterjee on Apr 27, 2009 11:51 AM
Oh really. Then why dont the Pakistanis of this board agree with you? Can it be that your views are far from truth and thats why they dont?
The formula used is that all terrorists are Muslims, baying for the blood of Hindus and RSS combine is their only savior. The propaganda is that while so many terror attacks are taking place all over the country, the Hindus in Gujarat are safe due to Modi/BJP/RSS. The fact is in during NDA regime and also during the rule of Modi major terror attacks have taken place including the attack on parliament and Akshardham. This, so called attitude towards terrorists is projected by RSS combine as Nationalism. Nationalism as such should mean sticking to the values of freedom movement and Indian constitution. The second illusion created is that of progress of Gujarat. As such Gujarat was already amongst the leading developing states. Now it is being presented that all this is due to Modi. Goebells is being beaten hollow in the techniques of innovating the propaganda techniques.
