Re: Worthless!
by sujith rc on Apr 23, 2009 04:33 AM
Guest..its very unfortunate you said something like that.. when you can have indira gandhi, chowdry charan sing, chandrashekhar, vp singh, devilal, deve gowda, then why not karat...if those can sit..why not some one who is better educated and with integrity like carrot can be the PM..if he disrespect then so did the others mentioned above did too...i didnt add rajiv, LBS, Nehru, gujral, morarji des, manmohan and vajpai.
First the congress consigned half of the Bengal to jehadis in partition) The 1st generation Bengali refugees settled right from Jharkhand, Bihar UP, Orissa to every part of country , not to mention Assam. A second division may not be far by growing immigration and multiplication. The demography of Bengal is changing very fast. Because of education they are eating up the differnce fast ( education leads to smaller family for only one group of people) . There will be no CPM no karat in few years time. Once the jehadis reach the sufficient number they will throw out all parties. Right now they are forcing their agenda ( Taslima eviction, Statesman's editor arrest and bawal) , Then they will force separate nationality. The rise and success of Jamaat in Bengal is imminent.
Re: COMMIE RULE
by R on Apr 23, 2009 06:33 AM
We will be back to pre-1991 days. Very scary. License raj, 10 years wait for telephone, 7 years for two-wheeler, 5-years for gas connection, long queues for ration, milk, train bookings, to get our passbook updated, buying Video, music system from grey market. 3 cars, 2 TV channels, 2 two wheelers. Thank God it got over. I just wonder if pre-1991 thinking had continued. If Karat, Mullayam becomes PM, we will have to wait 8 years for a PC, 15 years for cellphone and possibly 1 week for our screen to refresh. Very scary and very much possible. I just hope history does not repeat.
People donot have the basic necessity and here people say lets secure secularism. all bull shit. I would prefer a communal party if that party provides the basic necessity to all the poor people.
Re: secularism is bull shit
by ithinampassi on Apr 23, 2009 01:23 AM
You have a communal party and a biased no ethics party and all sorts of political evils in Communist party of India.....
Re: Re: secularism is bull shit
by mohit anand on Apr 23, 2009 02:09 AM
whoever can lead you towards development. Don't vote for parties, vote for the genuine candidates
Re: I am cry baby and a looser
by udal k on Apr 23, 2009 12:50 AM
I never said "I am a cry baby and a looser" on rediff board. My comments were taken out of context.
Re: I am cry baby and a looser
by Six Sigma on Apr 23, 2009 12:58 AM
commies aren't welcome in any democracy. their tenets oppose democracy. lookit the gruddamned commies in west bengal and kerela. their thugs and cronies prevent free franchise and are dug in those states like a tick
Re: Re: I am cry baby and a looser
by Ramesh on Apr 23, 2009 06:23 AM
Six Sigma,
What you say is perfectly true. What we are seeing now is disenchantment with their old style politics and emerge out of their old straitjackets.
Such changes need towards accepting genuine democracy needs to be welcomed. Earlier, a communist would not even salute Tiranga Jhanda, even when Jyoti Basu did, hard core ones did not! This has changed now.
Earlier Jyoti Basu was not allowed to become PM by Politburo which considered itself supreme. Now such notions have been given a quiet burial and CPM is willing to even become PM. Karat does not deny that CPM will not aspire to have their party provide leadership.
Such gradually change had been dubbed Euro-Communism earlier, it was also called turning from Red to Pink. In Indian context it can be called turning from Red to Purple i.e. Baingania in Hindi. Such broadminding of Left movement such that it reflects the wisdom of left of Centre thoughts ought to be welcomed.
Hope their quality would be good enough to pass the grade set by you!
Re: Re: I am cry baby and a looser
by Krishnendu Chowdhury on Apr 23, 2009 08:34 AM
You know nothing about West Bengal at least.
I therefore suggest that you refrain from commenting about West Bengal. Also I suggest that while writing on this message board be respectful to people even if you may not like them otherwise you may be teaching your future generations the wrong things
The Left has to be strengthened: If secularism is to be firmly defended If national sovereignty is to be protected
If a self-reliant economic path of development that is balanced, equitable and just is to be attained
If social justice is to be rendered for the working people, dalits, adivasis, women, minorities and all oppressed sections of society If the country is to emerge with a strong and independent foreign policy
If Karat says he does not want to be PM, why there is debate... There stand cpi(m) with some difference : as there are more than 15 PM candidates from India, CPI(M) asks to wait till election is over.
Other than CPI(M) , which party in India now can support from outside a Govt without any minister post....
CPM is best alternative.. Give them one chance to show the difference!!!.....
Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by girish nair on Apr 23, 2009 12:51 AM
CPM does not claim PM post coz f lack of experience n tis field......only thing they knows."PROTEST...PROTEST...PROTEST".
Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by PRATHEESH PC on Apr 23, 2009 12:51 AM
When unequal & jobless growth becomes the order of day, When inequality & poverty is at the zenith in the whole country, When the Governments tie up with rich, corporate and land lords and ignore the common man and failed completely in solving their problems,
Always there has been only 1 saviour, one who consistently voices for the poor and common man Who Fights for them, fights with them, sacrifices their own lives for the poor
Not only as opposition or as people’s movements
But also when in power in the state governments within their limited powers and permanent discrimination by the Central governments. Which other states have implemented land reforms extensively ? Which other states have democratic decentralization occurring in the exact sense? Which other states focus on education, health, providing employment & removing poverty ? ONLY LEFT governments of West Bengal, Tripura & Kerala can give the answers for all these.
Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by kandula ramayya on Apr 23, 2009 01:22 AM
CPM in Bengal has solved the population problem of Bangla desh
Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by PRATHEESH PC on Apr 23, 2009 02:38 AM
Let me reply point to point.
1. Communists are not the person who created Pakistan and our party cpi(m) is always there for minorites. In jammu n punjab we stand with hindu's as they are minorites there... Our agenda is to protect minorities. 2. We don't condemn any traditions, we are here to protect the rights of all people. We don't dare to say against evils of Hindu's, christians and muslim. Christian preists always target us by "Idayalekanam means letter to chrisitians telling their politics" which is aganist us... In Islam also we are against many false customs so with Hinduism also. 3.I don't know in any circumstances, CPM asked to give arunachal n assam to china.. Why are you shouting such rubbishes... pls be more mentally tough and speak truth..!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by Shekar Rao on Apr 23, 2009 03:20 AM
Point to point eh? OK, here goes.. 1. Commies are anyway creating a new Pakistan in Assam and WB by encouraging jehadi infiltration along the WB border. This is what you mean by 'always there for minorities' I suppose. 2. The commies have NEVER EVER said anything n support of the Hindu refugees of J&K, so stop blabbering your nonsense. 3. Your great Mallu commies have been trying to sabotage all Hindu traditions in Kerala, by trying to interfere in temple trusts. But they don't open their mouths against X'ians. That's equality for you. 3. Just because you don't read the news, doesn't mean everybody else does. The Bong commie parties have kept quiet every time the Chinese have yapped about Assam and Arunachal Pradesh. That's 'rubbish' for you, right?
So please take your brainwashed commie claptrap somewhere else, and let other educated, historically news aware ppl have a discussion here, OK?
Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by unknown Indian on Apr 23, 2009 01:00 AM
But West Bengal fares very badly in education in the last 35 years. So literacy in kerala is not the achievment of commies
Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by PRATHEESH PC on Apr 23, 2009 01:10 AM
How different are the Left in solving People’s problems ? Inclusive Growth & No to disparate growth Left policies give focus to the development of all sections of the populace and not just a micro minority – the rich – as is happening in the current Indian context. Land Reforms Land reforms is a much needed initiative in any feudal society for a meaningful social change - thereby raising the standard of living of the poor landless agricultural laborers and giving him the right over the land on which he tills. Priority to Education, Health and Housing for the Poor Left govts have given utmost priority for the education, health and housing for the poor. An exemplary example of this is Kerala. Ensuring Social and Economic Justice Workers, farmers, marginalized sections of the society and other poor people are living the most dignified life in the left ruled states of India through the various social welfare packages from the govt adequate rationing of food at low prices for the poor etc. Democratic Decentralisation It is only in the left ruled states where power is reached to the common man through strong foundation of Local Self Governments with considerable representation from women, workers and the marginalized sections of the society. Ensuring Communal Harmony and promoting Secular values Empowering of Co-operatives and Traditional industries Strengthening PSU (Public Sector units)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by PRATHEESH PC on Apr 23, 2009 01:20 AM
As per 2001 Census, the overall literacy rate of India is 65.38%. The male literacy rate is 75.96% and female literacy rate is 54.28%.
State / U.T. Literacy Rate Male Literacy Rate Female Literacy Rate Kerala 90.92 94.20 87.86 West Bengal 69.22 77.58 60.22
The literarcy rate of Kerala is 1st among Indian states and that of Bengal is well ahead of many BJP n Congress ruled states...
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "Joseph Goebbels
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by PRATHEESH PC on Apr 23, 2009 01:36 AM
Hi shriniwas kulkarni ,
I will be greatful if you can debate on topic....!!!
I told about Indian communist parties, why you gone to china n Russia? In the topic or discussion there is not a single word , India is going for election...
If you want answer to that qn about China n Russia , i will give seperately...!!!
Try to be with topic, don't jump here n there during debate, its the minimum need of a debator..!!! Tella and substantiate ur points....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by shriniwas kulkarni on Apr 23, 2009 01:21 AM
Pratheesh sheems to have been brainwashed by the Communist Ideology. Dude Communism is the most inefficient, cruel and worthless form of running a state. There is no true communist country left now. So stop dreaming to have the hammer and sickle on the Indian flag. If India becomes communist, at least a quarter of our population will be butchered by the communists like they did in USSR and China. (check your history how Mao and Stalin wiped out a quarter of their own people).
Communism is a sham, mankind is competitive and communism tries to defeat competition by putting state before everything human which is the most ridiculous idea. Communism opresses freedom of speech - China blocks all anti China website. Why are you wasting time promoting communism. There are other ways of securing reforms. Get yourself educated - only stupid 15 and 16 year olds support communism as they dont know how bad it is for humanity (I also blame our stupid history textbooks)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by kandula ramayya on Apr 23, 2009 01:33 AM
The macaulian literacy is self destructive. It leats to loss of noble values enshrined in our traditions. It destroys the cultural belifs of the majority. sows the seeds of doubt (regarding rebirth, Punya and papa). it leads to an inner stampede (= wanting to fulfill all aspirations within one lifetime, without regard for Dharma) whose outward expression = corruption in public life, crime and lawlessness. Left's ways are penny wise (so called development) but pound foolish (destruction of socio-cultural values leading to a decadant society)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by kandula ramayya on Apr 23, 2009 01:52 AM
The comparison should not be betweeen communism vs cong/BJP. how was india prosperous in prebritish period ( without modern technologies). How with so much technological progress we have a humanitarian and cultural disaster. Private enterprise can not be discouraged as Russia and china have learnt at much cost. Human nature simly does not accept - work according to capacity & pay according to needs. This graet ideal is the ideal of Bhagavadgita-, Nishkamakarma. That is possible only for a very few spiritual aspirants ( Guru Tegh bahadur, Guru Gobind singh, Shivaji, Banda Bairagi- the one who abolished Zamindari in Punjab, etc). Communism accepts a materialistic philosophy ( no soul, no God, no divine justice, therefore punya is futile & sin is harmless as long as you can escape punishment on earth). On the face of it communism appears alluring. But due to Human nature being what it is ( selfish, short sighted ), communist philosophy leads to total immorality,lethargy and poverty ( external and internal)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by PRATHEESH PC on Apr 23, 2009 01:29 AM
WB is doomed....then which state is prosperous? what did the ruling parties(both BJP n Congress) in Center done till now,
What are contributions by BJP n Congress to India?
In 2009 India has 24 billionaires with $107 billion while 75.6 % Indians earns less than $2 a day out of which 41.6% earns less than $1.25 a day
77% of India spends less than Rs. 20 per day. But at today’s prices a family of 5 requires at least Rs 70 per day just to have two simple meals a day. Does this mean that families are eating two meals in three days?
How many lakhs of families are in debt just to ensure daily food requirements? A large section of the population at the bottom rung spends almost 90% of its income only on food. Thus the importance of government policies and expenditures on food are critical for the survival of millions of our people
Where we are in Global Hunger Index, India is worse than African countries such as Kenya and Nigeria? The pro capitalist and pro imperialist Congress and BJP will not emancipate Indians. Their nationalism is to serve the big business.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by Six Sigma on Apr 23, 2009 01:13 AM
West bengal is doomed dude..nothing can save it from circling down the drain as long as the commies are in power.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by Krishnendu Chowdhury on Apr 23, 2009 08:49 AM
Communists believe that the Secularism in essence means that the State does not meddle in religious matters thereby not encouraging any religion.For Communists religion is a personal issue if one believes in any and there is no reason why state should encourage any religion.
Also talking about growth of muslim population in India it must be traced back to the days of partition which was a gift of the Congress and the Muslim League to the people of our country.If infiltration is taking place in Assam and West Bengal that is mainly because the partition of Bengal was never accepted by the Bengali speaking population of West Bengal and erstwhile east Pakistan since they had family and friends on both sides of the border.Regarding your comment on Chinese demand on land in Assam and Arunachal Pradesh I have to tell you that the Chinese govt never claimed any part of Assam althouh they have disputed the McMohan Line dividing India and China. Would you kindly recall that McMohan was a Britisher and he drew the line on a map without knowing the demographics of Arunachal? And why cant two free countries settle the issue of border bilaterally? Why do we require UN intervention?
Mr Rao I suggest taht you better learn a bit of history before making comments on this message board
Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by Shekar Rao on Apr 23, 2009 03:30 AM
Hmm. Food for thought.. 1. Which state banned English as a medium of instruction in schools, thus forcing a whole generation into an unemployment trap? 2. Which state, even though being sooo literate, literally exports all its manpower overseas to be exploited as slave labour? 3. The same state as in #3 above is also known for its high level of alcohol abuse as well as suicide rates. Guess that's what education does to you, right? 4. The same state as in #1 above forced all industries to go out due to rampant violent unionism, thus rendering its own people jobless. Most of them pushed off to 'less educated states' for jobs. Which one is it.. can you guess? 5. This state is well known as a conduit for drugs and jehadis, as well as having a porous border through which the above two can pass freely through. It is also known as a good training ground for Paki jehadi outfits. What are we talking about here?
YEAH, ONLY LEFT governments of WB, Tripura and Kerala can give the answers for these!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by Vikram Cavale on Apr 23, 2009 07:37 AM
Feel sorry for the brainwashed Pratheesh PC really... :(. He is living on a different planet from the rest of us. Not on planet Earth. Just woken up from a deep slumber surrounded by KArat and Co..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India...
by Krishnendu Chowdhury on Apr 23, 2009 09:16 AM
Mr Rao Rao for Gods sake get yourself updated first. The Left front never banned English as a medium of instruction in schools it introduced English from the 5th standard in Govt and Govt aided schools. Again if unemployment is related to the knowledge of english language then there would have been no unemployment in UK and USA as even those people in these nations who never went to school know english.
Who gave you the statistics of WB exporting literate people to work as slaves?
What is the relation between Alcohol abuse and suicide rates with Lefts? The CPI(M) and its allies have never claimed that they have established a socialist state.Why are you abusing intellect of people of left Ruled states? What right have you?
Again on closure of Industries kindly go back to the days when India got freedom and the industries in WB then, raw materials required in those industries,scale of such industries vis a vis the scale of such industries in other countries.I have really started believing that you know little but say so much.
What is is your source of info that WB is as a conduit for drugs and jehadis, as well as having a porous border through which the above two can pass freely through and is also known as a good training ground for Paki jehadi outfits.
Really What are we talking about here?
Mr Rao it seems that you are enamored with the great English language and it seems that you even dream in English but could you make efforts to write correctly?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Left supported secular govt should rule India
by Shekar Rao on Apr 24, 2009 02:20 AM
Mr. Chowdhury,
Thanks for your feedback on my use of English. Anyway, it's quite clear that you belong to the Bong group, which thinks that the sun rises only over Bengal and nothing else matters in India. That explains your lack of general knowledge of other good-for-nothing commie govts in Indian states.
FYI, Kerala is supposed to have the highest no. of literates in this country, but most of them go to the Gulf to work as slaves.
My point about alcohol abuse and suicide rates was a sarcasm, but you obviously missed the point (thanks to your study of the English language from 5th std onwards in your school I guess). I'd have thought that educated people wouldn't get hopelessly drunk or jump off buildings, but you seem to think otherwise :).
As for WB being a conduit for drugs and jehadis, it's quite evident that you've been seeing too much of Commie propaganda on that Bong village TV of yours to understand that there is a world beyond Bengal, in which other Indians are getting killed by people who get trained in that East Bengal of yours, which you seem to be loving so much.
So, please let my English be, and try and see the rest of India's existence being threatened by those idiots whom you have been patronizing for the past 25 years.
Re: hypocrites.
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 23, 2009 03:15 AM
Exactly. Even all state CM s are hippocrites. They insist on Hindi medium and other verancular mediums in opposition of English but educate their children in Doon school or Don Bosco or CHrch park convent.
