The statements are unwarranted. having been in the ruling side, why he did not ban BJP and made efforts to get it de-recognised by the EC? If he knows some thing more he should reveal it to the nation than to twist the tactics. In my personal view because some parties like BJP are there still some one is there to talk about Hinduism. When there are several Christian/Muslim Members in BJP how it can be called Hindutva party? Otherwise, by this time entire country would have been having Christians or Muslims because both clamor for conversions by hook or crook.If Congress is also responsible in not controlling the mob hysteria in demolishing the Babri Masjid why it did not tender an apology on lines of Mr.Kalyansingh? Every one is an expert in making statements to appease minorities vote bank. One may face anything but not mob hysteria which is evident from the recent crisis in Pak. Why the naxals problem is still continuing when it is a menace and disturbing peace and taking away valuable lives of innocent people and officials?
Re: Lalu politics
by J Chandrasekhar on Apr 18, 2009 06:12 PM
Swami,
Hindus have to understand the power of unity which is eluding for centuries. The divisive politics played by the pseudo secularists is causing the major menace to the hindus. Even in this forum, we can see all muslims are united on their version but several hindus divided on issues needing unity
Sikhs getting slaughered in thousands = A MISTAKE. Hindus getting killed in Kashmir = Political problem. Muslims getting killed by a few hundred = Holocaust. Poor protestors getting shot in WB under Left Govt = Misunderstanding.
Banning Parzania in Gujarat = Communal. Banning Da Vinci Code and Jo Bole So Nihaal = Secular.
Kargil Attack = Government failure. Chinese invasion in 1962 = Unfortunate betrayal.
Reservations in every school and college on caste lines = Secular. Reservations in Minority institutions = Communal.
Fake encounters in Gujarat [Sohrabuddin] = BJP Communalism. Fake encounters under Cong-NCP in Maharashtra [Khwaja Younus] = Police atrocity.
Talking about Hindus and Hinduism appeasment = Communal. Talking about Muslims and Islam = Secular.
BJP freeing 3 terrorists to save 100 Indian hostages = Shameful Congress freeing 4 militants to save just a life of one daughter of I Home minister in Kashmir [Rubina Sayed] = Natural Political dilemma.
Attack on Parliament = BJP ineptitude. Not hanging Afzal Guru the mastermind despite Supreme Court orders = Humanity and Political dilemma.
BJP questioning Islam = Communal. Congress questioning Lord Ramas existance = Clerical Error.
Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by anjaneya on Apr 18, 2009 05:45 PM
Sanskrit is communal and Urdu is secular, Mandir is communal and Masjid is secular, Sadhu is communal and Imam is secular, BJP is communal and Muslim League is secular, Bajrang Dal is communal, SIMI is secular, Praveen Togadiya is anti-national and Bhukari is national, Vande Matharam is communal and Allah-O-Akbar is secular, Pooja is communal, namaaz is secular, Shriman is communal and Mian is secular, Hinduism is communal and Islam is secular, Hindutva is communal and Jihadism is secular
Re: Re: Seculiarism redefined IN Bharath
by Ram Sharma on Apr 18, 2009 05:54 PM
Very, very, true! Though it is sadenning as well. All patriotic Indians must vote for BJP since that is the last hope for India and Hinduism which being methodically crushed by Cong,SP, BSP, Communists,RJD etc.
People of India wish more such demolition of mosques.Let BJP revive Hindutuva.Let us put an end to the shame endured centuries. Every patriotic hindooo is ith BJP Jai Hind.
Re: Re: People of India wish more such demolition of mosques
by kareena kapoor on Apr 18, 2009 05:39 PM
i too agree with TALI and if any demolition of mosques plese inform me i will help in his regrad
Re: Re: Re: Re: People of India wish more such demolition of mosq
by kareena kapoor on Apr 18, 2009 05:52 PM
i cant undertand J Chandrasekhar's Qs....?????????
Re: People of India wish more such demolition of mosques
by Ram Sharma on Apr 18, 2009 05:44 PM
All bloody tombs erected by the mugals should have been demolished the day we got Independence! It is a shame to preserve and visit these centres of national shame and symbols of subjugation to barbaric invaders.
PV, a learned person and a true patriot, kept silent to ensure that this devious structure was demolished. The mafia queen also admitted that this was the reason for muslims rejecting cong and aggressively pursued the muslim appeasing strategies which included scrapping of POTA, soft approach on muslim terrorists. Funding madarasas, increasing subsidies to haj, quota for muslims etc etc
Re: FACT
by Ram Sharma on Apr 18, 2009 05:49 PM
The views of Mohd.Abdullah are indicative of the ungrateful and treacherous muzlimi mindset! Imagine after being pampered for the better part of 62 years in India, instead of feeling grateful, these people claim nothing has been done for them!
If so, what is keeping them here? Why dont they all emigrate en masse to their holy land where they can be looked after?
Re: Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 05:56 PM
Ramji I never blaming to anybody I allways try to do something for our community & tell them pls send yr child school any how,We dont want Quota!!! Nobody shoughting for SC/ST wt they got??? SC/ST ppls does not know signature They are doing job all the government dipperment Rail to Raj Bhavan!!! And see the result every day rail accident happening??? One of my nebr from Adibasi 8 th standard join in Kolkata pollice after 3 years he got promotion as Inspector!!! No one shoughting for that!!!
Re: FACT
by CongressIN on Apr 18, 2009 06:19 PM
Congress today is Chrislamic, christian-islamic, Congress. It is a rabid anti-H1ndu organization. No self-respected H1ndu shall join and support Congress.
Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 05:29 PM
wt do u think Muslims are not humanbeing???? Aise bolte ho jaise Muslim dusre graha ke prajati hai???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 05:38 PM
Its unfortunate that since 62 years we are suffering ,cong used us but did not give any thing & now Lallu ballu all are want to use us!!!They think Muslim are a football!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 05:35 PM
Wt happen Chandrasekharji y r u quiet?? Commputer hai likh do samne to nahi hai kyun sharma rahe ho??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Ram Sharma on Apr 18, 2009 06:02 PM
If the muzlims are below the poverty line, they themselves are to be blamed for it!!! Who has prevented you from sending children to schools like other children? Why do you send them to madarsa where their minds are indoctrinated with hatred for India and Hindus? Why do you not teach tolerance, patience, loyalty to the country of birth, adjstability and sincerity to your children? Since you do not do any of the above, 90% of crimes are committed by Muzlims! At least 80% of all smugglers, butchers, bombers, counterfeit note manufacturers, drug runners,tailors, masons, carpenters, barbers,blacksmiths, murderers, killers, are muzlims.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 06:14 PM
Our government responsible for it??? WE need Education,we need health centre wheres health worker will go to every house & teach to muslim or SC/ST ladies how to controll it & how to use condom,how to use pill!!!It's totally failure of our government system!!! Go to interior village & see the original pics of them not only Muslim ,all are having 6-8 children!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Raj on Apr 18, 2009 06:20 PM
Are Boss... You all have voted fo Lalu, balu and sonias for all these years but still haqve not achieved anything... Pls tell your 90% below poverty living brothers and sisters to Vote for BJP and see the development themselves. Pls Visit Gujrat or any other BJP ruled state and see the development and the status of most of muslims there. Everyone talks about the Communal BJP and Gujrat Roits but haven't you seen ROITS (Hindu-Muslim) during Congress Times. There were many roits but no one has ever discussed about those ROITS because the Congress has many minority appeasement plans.. BJP doesn't believes in FREEBIES but believes in Developement.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 06:17 PM
Rajji how many muslims hv four wives??? Are yaar ek ka bhuk nahi mita sakte to 4 ka??? I am not denying there is nothing hai lakhome ek !!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 05:49 PM
No one partys think about Muslim only they want to got Muslim vote,because todays situation Hindu voter divided with all regional partys,& muslim voter are the decider ,thats why all partys are die to get muslim vote!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Raj on Apr 18, 2009 06:33 PM
Mr. Abdullah, You had written this "Our government responsible for it??? WE need Education,we need health centre wheres health worker will go to every house & teach to muslim or SC/ST ladies how to controll it & how to use condom,how to use pill!!!It's totally failure of our government system!!! Go to interior village & see the original pics of them not only Muslim ,all are having 6-8 children!!! Pls see to it that whenever any government dept. o any NGO sends any person or ladies to educate the poor and uneducated muslims, NO SELF PROCLAIMED MAULANA shud be there in the locality. Because they start shouting and issuing Fatwas on people using PILLS or CONDOMS. They start there preaching that ITS Haram to use CONTRACEPTIVES in MUSLIM DHARAM... PLS Stop these people and see how the GOvernment or NGO's will try to educate the People..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Raj on Apr 18, 2009 06:13 PM
Most of the things you have written are very true, But don't you think that if 90% muslims are living below the poverty level its ALSO their fault. When ONE doesn't have the resources of maintaining a family with more than 4 childrens, why are they doing it. The Muslim law says that a Muslim man can have 4 wives but Indian Law says that WE cannot have more than ONE wife if ALIVE, then why don't the muslims follow the LAW of THEIR Nation. More wives more children. Pls visit a hindu village in UP or Bihar and see their pathetic conditions.. the reason is they breed there childrens like animals and then they do not have sufficient to eat and later on the Childrens either become beggers or some become thiefs, goons, decoits or Naxal terrorists. The same is with the below poverty Muslims.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by J Chandrasekhar on Apr 18, 2009 06:07 PM
@ abdullah Saikh, who is responsible for the self imposed uncivilized life of muslims? You guys simply imitate the arab culture without seeing its practicality. Each one with polygamy and countless children
The women in your religion are treated as baby producing machines and commodities. They are neglected and denied of equal rights. No one can help those who cannot help themselves
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by J Chandrasekhar on Apr 18, 2009 05:43 PM
boss, i was attending a phone call, well i agree with you. the sooner your brethern realizes this the better
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Raj on Apr 18, 2009 06:24 PM
Are Dear Abdullah, I have seen 8 to 10 Muslim men with 2 wives in our area, just think of whole of India.. You will fnd plenty..and dear 4 wives wai baat ko to pakad ke likh diye 4 plus children kahan gaye...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FACT
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 05:45 PM
do you know who is going for Haz???Samaj ke bade log,jisko subsidy ki Jarurat nahi hai??? But Politician used their sentiment & they knows these Hazi do controll Muslim samaj!! Today 90% Muslim live below poverty??They need education,health care,wt did our government for them???
They are very much identitical. Each one has their philosophy. Each has their ideology. Each has their religion. Each has with them thugs & terrorists. Each has their own philosophers.
These two big organisations from two neighbouring Nations are trying to create a facade of goodness and social work. They have succeeded in their attempt in their own countries with the people of their religion. However, both are very hollow in their god work and are solid in their work of spreading viciousness, religious intolerance and physically taking o the people of other faiths through their sister organisations.
If Jamaat Ud Dawa has LET, JEM etc RSS has VHP, Bajrang Dal etc. They are fooling people with their show of patriotism. When religion comes in a way when you are thinking of a NATION, the Patriotism never remains. Then you start thinking more & doing more for your religion than your NATION. NATION is not religion. If NATION is defined through the prism of religion, the end result is SWAT. Nothing is acceptable other than the perspective of the rulers about their religion. A 400 year old statue of Buddha is broken down to pieces and a masjid of around same age is brought down. The religion, fanaticism, the treacherousness, the wickedness, a fight between MY GOD & YOUR GOD, Killing in the name of GOD - Allah or RAM, all these wicked things are carried out under the facade of doing good things to the society with some worthless charitable works.
Re: RSS is JAMAAT UD DAWA OF INDIA
by Ram Sharma on Apr 18, 2009 06:18 PM
Sardar Ji, I suggest you have a look at the TV news channels to find out what is happening under the Taliban, before comparing the RSS with it! Leaving aside an odd incident here and there, the RSS, Bajrang dal etc. have done good for India in their own very limited way! Wait for the BJP govt to be formed at the centre, then these useful institutions will get their rightful place.India needs them! One does not know if you do or not?!
Re: Re: RSS is JAMAAT UD DAWA OF INDIA
by Raj on Apr 18, 2009 06:41 PM
Mandar is not a Sardar or Punjabi... He is a Muslim Parasite from p(o)r(k)i(s)t(a)n...
Re: RSS is JAMAAT UD DAWA OF INDIA
by hari kumar on Apr 18, 2009 05:31 PM
Jamaat UD Dawa is a grouping of a bunch of rabid Jihadis with a pan islamic agenda of establishing an Islamic Caliphate encompassing the entire world. The happenings in the SWAT valley is an eye opener to the entire world about the dangers posed by the barbarians. To compare the barbarians with the RSS is the mindset of barbarian himself.
Re: Re: RSS is JAMAAT UD DAWA OF INDIA
by mandar on Apr 18, 2009 05:53 PM
The similarities of their functioning are mentioned above under the garb of doing some social work. Gujarat could be our Indian SWAT. In fact it was more than a SWAT. However, because not many Indians have fallen for the poison spread by RSS, we are still a bit away from creating our own SWAT. This doesn't mean we can remain care free. Offcourse Hindus need not worry. Because, INdian SWAT happenings will be felt by Muslims & Christians here. Some one has very rightly said here, RSS can never confront the strong enemy. They can only go on killing spree on majoritarian strength.
Re: Re: Re: RSS is JAMAAT UD DAWA OF INDIA
by Raj on Apr 18, 2009 06:37 PM
Before writing any thing communal pls visit Gujrat and talk with a moderate Muslim and see for yourself how happy he is in Gujrat.both financially and Mentally... Stop spreading hatered you moron...
Re: Re: RSS is JAMAAT UD DAWA OF INDIA
by marxcapitalist on Apr 18, 2009 05:36 PM
RSS will never enter into confrontation against a strong enemy.In general fascist forces never do that.It always works on majoritarian's strength.In India All they could do is to target hapless minorities.
Contrary to the claims about the communal forces dividing people,the 'secular' basta**rds are the ones who are desperately trying to drive a wedge between people by harping on history. The notorious baffoon of indian polity is adept at playing such divisive games to garner a few votes. The enlightened voters of Bihar will throw out Laloo and his ilk who has taken the state back to the medieval ages.
Re: 'Secular' basta**rds out to divide people!
by mandar on Apr 18, 2009 05:28 PM
Hmm... No need to tell ur identity. This abusive language comes from no other than Sangh Parivar people - the ultra patriotic people, the only HINDUS within this HINDU RASHTRA. Great. We can not blame you. You are just following what you are taught at the various SHAKHAS of RSS. They do not teach you anything better but to use the abusive language, pour the poison in the society, kill the minorities. Keep it up. This will surely help build this Strong Nation.
Re: Re: 'Secular' basta**rds out to divide people!
by Malini Patel on Apr 18, 2009 06:01 PM
am not from sangh parivar , yet even i want to use the choicest abuses for u!
Re: Re: 'Secular' basta**rds out to divide people!
by tarun sharma on Apr 18, 2009 06:00 PM
Hmm...you too no need to tell ur identity b'cause you surely are scum of this earth i.e.kut*koke, worshippers of po*rk.go back to your all*ah & MAKE THIS EARTH A BETTER PLACE TO LIVE.
Re: Re: 'Secular' basta**rds out to divide people!
by Raj on Apr 18, 2009 06:43 PM
U have also proven your Identity... You are a Muslim Parasite from p(o)r(k)i(s)t(a)n...
Re: WHY BLAME?
by J Chandrasekhar on Apr 18, 2009 05:22 PM
PV, a learned person and a true patriot, kept silent to ensure that this devious structure was demolished. The mafia queen also admitted that this was the reason for muslims rejecting cong and aggressively pursued the muslim appeasing strategies which included scrapping of POTA, soft approach on muslim terrorists. Funding madarasas, increasing subsidies to haj, quota for muslims etc etc
Re: Re: WHY BLAME?
by Abdullah Saikh on Apr 18, 2009 05:28 PM
wt do u think Muslims are not humanbeing???? Aise bolte ho jaise Muslim dusre graha ke prajati hai???
Re: BJP is
by expert voice on Apr 18, 2009 05:08 PM
TRUTH OF TAJ MAHAL NOW READ THIS.......
No one has ever challenged it except Prof. P. N. Oak, who believes the whole world has been duped. In his book Taj Mahal: The True Story, Oak says the Taj Mahal is not Queen Mumtaz's tomb but an ancient Hindu temple palace of Lord Shiva (then known as Tejo Mahalaya ) . In the course of his research O ak discovered that the Shiva temple palace was usurped by Shah Jahan from then Maharaja of Jaipur, Jai Singh. In his own court ch ronicle, Badshahnama, Shah Jahan admits that an exceptionally beautiful grand mansion in Agra was taken from Jai SIngh for Mumtaz's burial . The ex-Maharaja of Jaipur still retains in his secret collection two orders from Shah Jahan for surrendering the Taj building. Using captured temples and mansions, as a burial place for dead courtiers and royalty was a common practice among Muslim rulers.
For example, Humayun,Akbar, Etmud-ud-Daula and Safdarjung are all buried in such mansions. Oak's inquiries began with the name of Taj Mahal. He says
the term " Mahal " has never been used for a building in any Muslim countries from Afghanisthan to Algeria . "The unusual explanation that the term Taj Mahal derives from Mumtaz Mahal was illogical in atleast two respects.
Firstly, her name was never Mumtaz Mahal but Mumtaz-ul-Zamani," he writes. Secondly, one cannot omit the first three letters 'Mum' from a woman's name to derive the remainder as the name for the building."Taj M
Re: Re: BJP is
by IndianIndian on Apr 18, 2009 05:15 PM
Before the mid of 20th century all the countries throughout the world including our country had small and big rulers, kings, dictators etc with kingdoms for every kilometers or hundreds of kilometers; having mass killings, sexual crimes, barbarism throughout the world irrespective of religion, language, caste, race, nation etc. LIKE WISE MILLIONS OF INDIAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SUBJECTED TO MASS KILLINGS, SEXUAL CRIMES, BARBARISM THROUGHOUT BY INDIANS FOR THE PAST 5000 YEARS IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGION, LANGUAGE, CASTE, RACE, NATION ETC. THESE TYPES OF CRIMES HAPPENED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD IN THE PAST. Every ruler will erase the history of his crimes in the past. But after mid of 20th century, we have many countries with democratic governments. At present we have the Executive, Legislature and Supreme Court with good Press system to ensure democracy and dignity of the individual citizen. THERE ARE BEST, VERY GOOD, GOOD, MEDIUM, BAD, VERY BAD, WORST PEOPLE FROM EVERY RELIGION, LANGUAGE, CASTE, RACE, NATION ETC LIKE NORMAL DISTRIBUTION. THUS WE MUST NOT DEMONISE ANY RELIGION, LANGUAGE, CASTE, RACE, NATION ETC WHICH ARE MAN MADE. We all people of the world and our country have common ancestor and we all are relatives irrespective of religion, language, caste, race, nation etc. The scientists have confirmed this fact medically. So we must not do violence/kill our own human relatives for sake of religion, language, caste, race, nation etc. We have a secular constitution and all areequal
Re: Re: BJP is
by Ram Sharma on Apr 18, 2009 05:21 PM
Your explanation makes sense and what you have narratd is quite possible!
In any case, how can a tomb(even if made of marble) be called as a Mahal?
Secondly, the fact that muzlim barbarity is as old as izlam, is shown by the record that Shahjehan chopped off the hands of the 20,000 odd masons and labourers who built the marble structure so that they could not replicate the same elsewhere! Compare this barbarity with the Hindu system where they name a builder as "Vishva karma!"
Whatever the fact re the origin of Taj, it is definetely overrated.
The Somnath temple, and many other Hindu temples are far more beautiful and should be included as wonder of the world!
Language and Caste of original races of India should be basis of census and identity In Our Country the language and caste forms the basis of identity of the original races of India. The Indians of any Indian language (Including Hindi and Urdu) and Indian caste, but of any faith are the Indians and are the original sons of soil and are entitled for equal rights. We must not allow people to be separated on the basis of artificially created Religion Mask. Even during Maurya (321–184 BC), Kushan (60–240 AD), Gupta (280–550 AD), Pala (750–1174AD) Empires etc etc parts of North/North West India, Middle East Iran etc, South West China etc were in the same Empire Intermingling of Races even before 2000 years and WE ARE ALL RELATIVES. THE PAST CENTURY HISTORY OF STRUGGLE BETWEEN BORDER STATES OF NORTH WEST INDIA AND PAKISTAN BASED ON ARTIFICIAL CREATED RELIGION SHOULD NOT BE THRUST ON REMAINING INDIANS TO SHED INNOCENT BLOOD AGAIN.
