Re: Jews were persecuted all over christian Europe
by Happy Indian on Apr 13, 2009 06:31 PM
Throughout the dark ages, Christians were persecuted by RC's not just jews.
Re: Jews were persecuted all over christian Europe
by tanmay k on Apr 13, 2009 06:33 PM
holocaust is new. go to history and see crusades or so called "holy wars", carried out on orders of constantine, who for his selfish reasons set up the orthodox search which the whole world is following. no religion can be erected on foundation of blood of the innocent
The upper-caste hindus are NOT interested in the welfare or well-being of the lower caste hindus. These upper-caste pseudo-hindus only want the lower caste hindus to be hindus, so that they can retain their upper-CASTINESS. caste system is the biggest hoax and a fraud on humanity.
Hindus need more scholars to explain this beautiful religion to people. There are way too many rituals that people lose the forest in search of a tree. All the teachings of Gita is for our own freedom from sufferings. To have a mature attitude towards sufferings which are caused mostly by our ignorance. Educated westerners realise this and embrace HInduism. Christianity is OK in the begining when you have a child's brain. But if you rise above a level HInduism is the way to go.
Re: The problem with Hindus
by Happy Indian on Apr 13, 2009 06:21 PM
Christianity is a great religion too. The problem is people aren't following it properly, especially those westerners
BJP Is in fools paradise !! As India is a free country and all indian can have their own religion of their choice. They should not act like this gundaism.
If they want they can convert all christians by attracting them by their good behaviro not By Rape and Killing and Gundaism.
They may gain for a shot period of time but log run people will realise these type of talibanism wont work. So act wisely.
Re: BJP USES CONVERSION ARGUMENT...
by akilandeswari on Apr 13, 2009 06:04 PM
Why the hell you target poor tribals if u have guts convert in urban area. what we do not want is conversion by allurement, coercion, bribery and cheating.
Pls stop denigrating Hindu gods and forced conversions N we also will come and pray in church
The violence against Christians in Karnataka is a reaction to the aggressive propaganda and mindless evangelism of hundreds of foreign-funded, cultic, fundamentalist, fanatic and revivalist Christian groups spread all over the State and elsewhere. They denigrate Hindu gods and rituals as barbaric. They are the root cause of tension between Christian and Hindu communities. Why should anybody be surprised if the ‘extremists’ among Hindus are offended and react violently? It is high time leaders of the established mainline churches, known for their erudition, equipoise and empathy, came out in the open and disowned such provocative acts of intolerance of the fundamentalist Christian groups masquerading as real Christians. How can the Christian preachers propagate that their faith is the best in the world without reading what the scriptures of other faiths have to say? My anguish is shared by many. One can make a difference without being preachy.
Re: Please respect Hindus sentiments and stop forced conversions
by Kamala Advani on Apr 13, 2009 05:56 PM
RELIGION IS AN INDIVIUDAL RIGHT.. WHY CANNOT WE HINDUS CONVERT THESE PEOPLE BACK???
Re: Re: Please respect Hindus sentiments and stop forced conversi
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 13, 2009 06:32 PM
Why dont you start doing it instead of abusing Hindus.
Slavery, holocast and colonialization were all done by christians with the help of their churches. Bishop TUTU himself said that openly in one of the UN conferences.It was a christian nation America that dropped a nuclear bomb on a non christian nation. Now these guys are talking like saints. What about the major crusade they committed against islam? I am not saying we HIndua are perfect. Because of too many people and poverty and constatnt invasion there have been people with agenda who were responsible for exploitation of castes. Such things happen in the western world too may not be in the name of castes. But in the name of ethnicity. If one religion has a right to convert another one has the right to reconvert. This is where the Christian missionaries have a problem and resort to criminals like naxalites to kill HIndus.
Re: All the major atrocities were commited by Christians
by Kamala Advani on Apr 13, 2009 05:57 PM
SO WHAT?? TALK ABOUT INDIA.. WHY IS BJP AFRAID OF CONVERTING PEOPLE BACK TO HINDUISM... WITHOUT USING FORCE...
Re: Re: All the major atrocities were commited by Christians
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 13, 2009 06:07 PM
No. we have to talk about where these converters came from. If BJP has a rich POPE like figure to give money and world approval of dominant hindus, they can also do that. The problem is we are a poor country and these outsiders come and create political trouble by insulting HIndus because they have international powerful christian support to do that.
Re: All the major atrocities were commited by Christians
by akilandeswari on Apr 13, 2009 05:45 PM
How about Reangs and Kashmir Pandits NHRC NMC UPA US Redefines Minorities
NHRC NMC are active only when the sufferers are non-Hindus,namely Christians and Muslims. But when it’s a case of Hindus being the minority community, their sufferings are totally ignored. Take the case of Hindu Reangs of Mizoram: they have been driven out of the state since they refuse to embrace Christianity. The NMC has never bothered to visit the camps of these 30,000 unfortunate Reangs in Tripura. Nor has it bothered to look into the pathetic living conditions of Kashmiri Pandits, either in Jammu or elsewhere.
Hindus, as a minority community, cannot celebrate Durga Puja in southern Tripura, Meghalaya and other Christian majority states of the east. Does the Constitution define minorities as only non-Hindus? Now, when some churches have been attacked in and around Mangalore, they have rushed in, which has ultimately resulted in the Central Government issuing a warning to the Karnataka government.
Re: All the major atrocities were commited by Christians
by IndianIndian on Apr 13, 2009 06:43 PM
RELIGIONS KILLED BILLION OF PEOPLE SINCE BEGINNING
Pseudo Islam killed millions people. Pseudo Christianity killed millions, in the form of inquisitions, crusades, protestant-catholic clashed Pseudo Hinduism killed millions in the name of caste system, human sacrifices, sati, Vaisnavism, Saivism etc. All Other Pseudo religions such animists, pagans, etc. killed another millions. Now it is time that we put an end to this religious fanatism and become pragmatic human beings.
Re: Re: All the major atrocities were commited by Christians
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 13, 2009 07:44 PM
I am with you on this. But human being humans will always live in conflict. May be that is nature's way of keeping the population under check.
krrr kt, krrrrr kt...kr.,....kt.... Oh the school bus near Navsaari-gujarat...is on PICNIC and every kid has enjoyed. The teachers liek FATHER JOSEPH, SISTER NANDITA...with their good christianic robes and cross ...looking nice and playing very kindly with the kids....are now worried what happened to the Bus engine! the nice driver Vergees Parmar tries to re-start engine but fail...
So father Joseph says...Ok bacchho ! let us say " SHRI RAJ KI JAI AND START THE ENGINE...it is tried, engine does not start, BOL AMBE MAATA KI JAI ...good driver Vergees tries..but engine does not start...then father asks the kids...
" OK CHILDREN , LET US SAY JESUS KI JAI "...all children say so in corous and..Driver Vergees parmar tries the ignition...and Lo ! the engine starts...all children go home happily and tell to them moms-pops...'mama mama, aaj JESUS KI JAI BOLEY TO ENGINE START HO GAYA...'
these are the tricks used to brainwash our children...and I will not be surprised to find out that great people like Rajeep Sadesa,Roys,Burkha dutts..are prepared in such convent school, so they redicule their own culture and follow a one-sided secularsim. Similarly farmers tractors were repaired with Jesus power AND convert thereafter
there are other tricks too...we know this. Keep the eyes open
Re: Chandamama way of luring school kids nd farmers similarly
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 13, 2009 05:49 PM
I have one more. Let us see the power of our GOd christ as opposed to your HIndu God ganesha. Her I have a wooden cross and you have a stronger metal ganesha. I throw the ganesha in the river. Gee it sinks. Now watch our God . I throw him in Water. LO!! He floats. See who is stronger?Did you see how powerful our CHrist is/
Re: Chandamama way of luring school kids nd farmers similarly
by Lopesh S on Apr 13, 2009 05:39 PM
When i was in college..one of my friends who is a xstian invited me to church...i wanted what it was and how they worship...then i went and sat on the bench in church...after the speech that jesus is the only god who can save us all this that..in a pathetic telugu...they asked me kneel down a it is a part of worship...
i did it without hesitation as i could not hurt my friends' sentiments....
the next day i was going to a temple and asked my friend to accompany me. He came along, but refused to enter the temple. I asked why ??
he said worshipping a statue is against to christianity...and after puja i asked to accept prasadam...but he refused too....except this incident, he was a good guy..i acknowledge...
but at the very moment i concluded that these people cannot respect other religions...and expect us to respect and follow xstianity...this is sick...isn't it ?????
Am not completely against to xstianity....but there are idiotic people who keep doing forcible conversions....and rediff should not only publish the views of xstians in relief camps..but also should try to publish the views of followers of swami laxmanananda who got killed by these people...can u rediff ???...can u dare do it ??
Re: Re: Chandamama way of luring school kids nd farmers similarly
by Happy Indian on Apr 13, 2009 06:03 PM
any True Christian will be against FORCIBLE conversion
Re: Re: Chandamama way of luring school kids nd farmers similarly
by rumwhisky on Apr 13, 2009 06:34 PM
All 5 five fingers are not equal, most of the christians do repect hinduisum a lot no were do they preach hatred towards hinduism, some people might who are in no mans land, but not the majority
Re: Re: Chandamama way of luring school kids nd farmers similarly
by Happy Indian on Apr 13, 2009 06:02 PM
I do understand that you are hurt about the incident.
But the first commandment for us is, "Thou shall not make unto thee any graven image or any likeness of anything"
And we shouldn't eat anything that is offered to your God.
Re: Re: Re: Chandamama way of luring school kids nd farmers simil
by tanmay k on Apr 13, 2009 06:26 PM
hinduism is a new name given by westerners people have forgotten its real name " sanatana dharma" meaning eternak religion. we dont have any bidnings and any protocol to follow, we can worship god in any form we want, or even not believe in god but do good actions. even a atheist can be a hindu. we are not worried about spreading it, because all the people in this world are following the same ideology. the most important thing is to be good. the word "Cru$ade" is absent in sanatana dharma
After Kerala TN Orissa missionaries aggressive in AP and Karnataka Example - Alarming 5 fold increase in Kandhamal Christian population from six per cent in 1971 to 27 per cent in 2001 ,It began with the arrival of Christian missionaries in the area who found the remote region very conducive to conduct prosetylization amongst the poor tribals. The conversions continued unhindered until the arrival of Swami Laxmanananda who put strenuous efforts to stop conversions and help reconversion to Hinduism as well. If not for his effort Kandhamal would have been another Nagaland in the making where the separatist movement has wrecked havoc in the state. The aggressive Christian proselytization in Orissa today pitched previously peaceful tribals into warring camps of Christians and non-Christian. This has has vitiated the peace that has existed with various communities for millenia. Why Orissa Orissa has been specially targeted because of a huge tribal population. This allows the missionaries to work from the scrutiny of the media and carry our their nefarious activities. In Kandhamal district, for instance, the Christian population has increased from six per cent in 1971 to 27 per cent in 2001, despite a law enacted by the Orissa Legislature in 1967 to prevent conversion by allurement, coercion, bribery and cheating.
Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by JGN on Apr 13, 2009 05:19 PM
Hoondoos like you have a problem,u dont even want conversion to take place neither u like to help poor downtrodden so called SC ST from your community,will any high class hindu share food with a low class.i doubt.
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Chet on Apr 13, 2009 06:48 PM
Comeon.. give me a break.. Even during marriages, converted christians tried to get married withing their community i.e. caste thet converted from... And higher caste converted christian marriage from higher caste christian.. Check Whether A.P. CM.. Samuel Rajashekar Reddy got his son married to lower caste christian?
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by rupesh sundhar on Apr 13, 2009 05:33 PM
is ther conversion required to help them. it means that christain missionaries would help and support only christains not other religion.
Re: Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Happy Indian on Apr 13, 2009 06:06 PM
I do not believe that. We do support people from other religions too. I do know christian relatives who pay tuition for hindu students
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 13, 2009 05:36 PM
RSS is doing lot of charity work like the missionaries. BUt in our country thanks to useless Nehru, they have been painted as villains.
Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Ramesh Sakhre on Apr 13, 2009 05:18 PM
you say, "In Kandhamal district, the Christian population has increased from six per cent in 1971 to 27 per cent in 2001, despite a law enacted by the Orissa Legislature in 1967 to prevent conversion by allurement, coercion, bribery and cheating."
This is a proof that missionaries do not do allurement, coercion, bribery and cheating
Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by annamalai on Apr 13, 2009 05:16 PM
The bias of the anti-Hindu electronic English media is evident in the hyper excited reporting of the church attack. The likes of Girish Karnad, U R Ananthamurthy and Mahesh Bhatt Teesta Shabana Azmi Barka Dutt Sardesai know which side of their bread is buttered. Their selective amnesia is amusing. Did they raise any voice in support of amaranth pilgrims protest or against durga pooja protest or other innumerour atrocities on Hindus all over Bharath Nobody talks about the killling of Swami Laxmanananda and his 4 associates, burning of the Radhabai chawl that killled 16 people, which provoked sharp reaction from the Hindu community, Godhra train carnage and Marad killling which was buried silently by so called seculars.
They never react on lakhs of Hindus being displaced from Kashmir or innumreous atrocities on hindus. These opportunists are no better than traitors of the past who are ready to sell the dignity of the country for their selfish gains. Do you know AP CM Rajashekar Reddy is a Christian encouraging missionaries in AP
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Ramesh Sakhre on Apr 13, 2009 05:21 PM
You told a huge lie that- "AP CM Rajashekar Reddy is a Christian encouraging missionaries in AP".
This is a lie.
Rajashekar Reddy is not religious and not involved in this.
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Chet on Apr 13, 2009 06:50 PM
AP CM Samuel Rajashekar Reddy is ready to give two mountains of Lord Balaji Tirupati Hills. And even actor turned politician Chiranjeevi is ready to abolish GO so that christian can start preaching near Tirupati Temples..
Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Prem Padro on Apr 13, 2009 05:18 PM
if the tribals are converting, whats the problem for hindus? the tribals are not hindus. even if we assume they are hindus, why not convert?
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Happy Indian on Apr 13, 2009 06:07 PM
The problem is those christians are kicking hindus out of that area.
Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Ramesh Sakhre on Apr 13, 2009 05:16 PM
"Offer him the other cheek if somebody slaps you on one." Mahatma Gandhiji did not say it. Jesus Christ said it.
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 13, 2009 05:34 PM
That is why Christians do the slapping first. In this world think about the major atrocities like slavery and holocast . It is all done by Christians with the help of the churches. After doing all that these guys are talking like saints.
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by muralidharan R on Apr 13, 2009 05:32 PM
Sakhre it is easy to say offer him the other cheek etc. In that case your Pope could have averted the 2nd World War. Bur he kept quiet. Hoe many Muslims were killed in Iraq by the Christian American Army. Do you have any justification for this killing in the Bible.
Re: Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Ramesh Sakhre on Apr 13, 2009 05:37 PM
Just find out and you will know that the Pope (the previous one) was the person MOST against war against Iraq.
Get your facts straight, first.
You know nothing. Thiongs do not happen because you think they happened.
Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by mohammed on Apr 13, 2009 05:50 PM
why are you guys picking on christians if u have guts fight the mussalmans we will finish u in no time. Nara e takbeer allah o akbar
Re: Re: WHICH PARTY HAS GOT GUTS TO STOP CONVERSION
by Calspadeaspade on Apr 14, 2009 12:28 AM
Vow. what a brave Mullah. that is yourreligion. The whole world i sgoing to finish you soon. watch.
