Congress funding Godhra Investigations and NGOs Congress may be pumping more money to keep Godhra riots alive so that people can forget 1984 Sikh riots instigated by their leaders and who are now holding ministerial berths. Finally it is a naked truth that Congress cares only for minority and least bothered about Hindus. Do they know how many Kar Sevaks were burnt in the coach? A 'pious' intention that will fool few people. A party that has managed to keep its leaders from being prosecuted for 1984 riots and even rewarded one of them with a cabinet berth in the present government can hardly be trusted in this matter. Are we to believe that our laws do not have enough teeth to book the criminals involved in such riots? The only way such riots may be prevented is by making the politicians in charge of the relevant ministries culpable. The home minister at the time of the 1984 carnage went on to become the PM in the subsequent Congress government. We should stop getting taken in by these people.
During the debate in NDTV (if it can be called that) there was a question put to Mani Shankar Iyer that if Congress believed in Tytler's innocence, why did it not stand by him ? It was worth listening to his answer - a real scream - Mani Shankar Iyer started off with how Jagdish Tytler is actually a sikh, and how he and his brother were seperated from their mother during partition, and how he used to go to a gurudwara regularly to search for his mother ...in short, he stopped short of adding a couple of songs to this nice story without answering the question, and when Rahul Singh the journalist put forward the question that being a sikh, how many sikhs did tytler save, again Iyer started off with how Rajiv Gandhi thougn being a greiving PM who had lost his mother could not sleep for so many days due to his concern for the sikhs and blah blah, and not once did Barkha dutt stop him or tell him that he had not answered the question or that he was taking a lot of time, but in another discussion the moment Kulkarni talked about the manifesto of BJP and how it contained matter other than Mandir, she would at once stop him either for a break or by saying that there were others who had to speak !
Then there was Doordarshan which devoted 15 mins out of 20 mins in a news to show Rajiv and family, and now it is NDTV.
Re: NDTV Discussion
by Guest on Apr 12, 2009 12:27 AM
It is the same Aiyar who got the plaque of Veer Savarkar removed from Kala Pani Jail.Savarkar was the revolutionary who underwent 11 years yes 11 years of solitary confinement at Kala Pani jail. I feel ashamed that in spite of having insulted the great revolutionary is still moving about TV studios shamelessly.He should be avoided. In some other debate the NDTV Hindi Kapil Sibbal was asked thrice what he would do to bring back black money but he kept on avoiding but Abhigyan Prakash did not ask him not to avoid the questions.This NDTV criticises COngress on some small matter so that it could mould public opinion in favour of Congress which it can not do if it loses credibility. Naraj
All are focussing on Gujarat riots so who will bring justice to 1984 victims? Muslims have the first right to justice system our cowardly idotic PM MMS will say.
Nothing is going to change...if not Tytler and Sajjan Kumar, their wives, sons, daughters will stand for elections as proxies, and this same drama will be repeated prior to next elections, and if ppl still remember, again teh same result.
Some law shud be enacted so that the whole family of an accused are banned from fighting elections to end proxy elections - the biggest example - Rabri Devi which was the biggest joke that our politicians could play on us !
"coz he laid his life for saving hindus " Don't say Hindus.Say Punjabi Hindus.Because you guys were already occupied by Muslims.And sikhs were Hindus to begin with.So you basically revolted against your muslim rulers.Ha ha ha.But central India was not even occupied by Muslims.Our brave forefather defeated Muslims at the border of our pious homelands.Why couldn't u guys do the same??
Indira invaded Golden Temple on the day of Martyrdom day of Guru Arjan Dev because her target were innocent pilgrims who had gone to pay homage at Golden Temple.
Small Children, Women and Men are made to stand in line and fired upon from their back. Their bodies were thrown into the holy sarovar turning it into blood-red. Satwant and Beant singh killed Indira because of her misdeeds and massacre she ordered at harmandir sahib, and not because they were related with bhindranwale in any way.
What was the need to attack on Martyrdom day of Sikh Guru ? Wasnt military told that there would be thousands of pilgrims inside golden temple ? Was Bhindranwale killing pilgrims hindus, sikhs inside Golden Temple? Why was there a complete media blackout in punjab before attack on Golden temple by Indira and Congress? Were innocent 3000 pilgrims were the main targets OR The 30-40 men of Bhindranwale ? If 30-40 men of Bhindranwale were target, then how come thousand pilgrims died inside premises of Golden Temple?
Doordarshan was controlled by congress and till the date NDTV and some other channels are controlled by Congress.These channels feed shit to misguide Indian. 3000 children,men,woman were butchered by Indian Military on the orders of congress crook indira.
Later Rajiv killed more than 5000 indian sikhs in 1984 congress sponsored genocide. Ever wondered why terrorism in punjab came to a halt after Rajiv crook's death ?
Half-Punjab was already destroyed by congress in 1947, and
Re: 1984 : The Untold Story
by indian on Apr 11, 2009 08:45 PM
Congress created Pakistan, threw indian muslims out and orchestrated 1947 riots by creating biggest split between hindus-muslims. Now they use Advani and BJP as punchbags telling themselves as secular. Watch this documentary video by History Channel on the 1984 events : youtube.com/watch?v=S4kEnzhsXIw
The canadian government has invested maximum time and resources into the Air Canada Crash, but till date they have not found one single evidence pointing at sikhs who escaped to canada after 1984 carnage. It was also orchestrated by Congress to malign Sikhs who are part of Canada now. Either the Canadian Govt is corrupt or Indian Congress. I am sure you know the answer. This thing was too mentioned several times by bhindranwale that hindus in punjab are being killed by congress to malign sikh-nirankari dispute.
Can this party be trusted again ?
Congress has destroyed this nation for centuries and dream to do so for another several years.
We indians will put an end to your dream forever in this election.
Re: Re: 1984 : The Untold Story
by True indian on Apr 11, 2009 10:03 PM
I would salute to Indira gandhi the number one spirited and strong leader which she stood for her principle.because of that operation india is ont having another jammu problem.hail indira gandhi Ofcourse delhi riot was not accetabile
But bjp was just butechere people for no reason either in orrisa or in gujrath
Re: Re: 1984 : The Untold Story
by True indian on Apr 11, 2009 10:02 PM
I would salute to Indira gandhi the number one spirited and strong leader which she stood for her principle.because of that operation india is ont having another jammu problem.hail indira gandhi Ofcourse delhi riot was not accetabile
But bjp was just butechere people for no reason either in orrisa or in gujrath
Re: Re: Re: 1984 : The Untold Story
by indian on Apr 11, 2009 11:15 PM
PRABHAKARAN : DESERVES BHARAT RATNA AWARD
WE 100 CRORE TRUE INDIANS SALUTE THE LIVING LEGEND Prabhakaran , WHO RIPPED APART THE MOST CORRUPT POLITICIAN IN INDIAN HISTORY "RAJIV GHAZI KHAN ( GANDHI?)
THANKS PRABHAKARAN FOR YOUR COURAGE
MAY GOD BLESS THOSE HOLY WOMEN WHO SACRIFICED THEIR LIVES WHILE RIPPING APART RAJIV KHAN IN SO MANY PIECES WHICH NOT EVEN POOR VULTURES COULD FEED UPON.
LOTTO SHOE TAGLINE : THEY STAY INTACT ALWAYS EVEN WHILE YOU ARE ENTERING HELL;)
Re: Re: Re: 1984 : The Untold Story
by indian on Apr 11, 2009 11:11 PM
You are a dirty congress bootlicker who will vote for congress if given one bottle of liquior.
Congress and its media image - NDTV- keep harping on 2002 and 1984, little realizing that there is a big difference....what happened in 2002 was a riot, but what happened in 1984 was a massacre - an attempted genocide.
In September 2008 the Godhra Commission confirmed that there was an attack by a Muslim mob, in which 500 Muslim men targeted one of the coaches containing Hindus and burnt them alive, and of 58 Hindus, 23 men, 15 women and 20 children perished. Going further, the report states that it started with one Hassan Lalu throwing burning objects into the train and led to 140 litres of petrol being used to set the train on fire, adding that stones were thrown at passengers to stop them from fleeing. According to official figures tabled in the parliament, more than a thousand people were killed (790 Muslims and 554 Hindus)
The pogrom in 1984 was in retaliation of Indira Gandhi's assassination by two sikh bodyguards, which itself was a retaliation of Operation Bluestar, (which was a result of Indira Gandhi's brain, which created a Frankenstein monster called Bhindranwale), in which the Indian Army attacked Sikh militants hiding in the Harimandir Sahib, the holiest Sikh shrine. Over the next four days, as many as 3000 Sikhs were killed in retaliatory attacks (not a single Hindu was killed by a Sikh).
Vir Sanghvi had the gall to join Barkha Dutt and insinuate that Narsimha Rao who was the home minister was responsible for the whole incident and not Tytler or Sajjan
Re: Congress and 1984
by sanath on Apr 11, 2009 08:38 PM
Narsimha Rao has become the scapegoat for all congress leaders now to blame the 1984 incident on as:
1. He is not alive now to defend himself. 2. As he had been ostracized by the congress towards the end as he dared to be a successful PM without the support of the first family, whereas what was expected of him was to be a regent till the crown prince came of age.
NDTV should be ashamed of themselves for shamelessly projecting their biased nature. When the topic of the day was Tytler being dropped by the congress high command, still the discussions were being veered towards 2002 and varun gandhi and whattnot even though neither the incident nor the person had anything to do with 1984 !
Re: Whom to VOTE?
by anand sanghavi on Apr 11, 2009 08:33 PM
The above statements in QURAN were not told in the Context of Self-Defence or Killing only BAD NON-Muslims but killing All non-muslims because NO OTHER RELIGION EXCEPT ISLAM SHOULD EXIST.
Read the statement in BOLD among the venom-spitting lines of QURAN mentioned above.
Re: Re: Whom to VOTE?
by shashwat on Apr 11, 2009 08:36 PM
BOSS WE KNOW ALL THESE THINGS, BUT NOTHING CAN BE DONE AS THIS COMMUNITY IS PRESENT IN HUGE NUMBERS ALL OVER THE WORLD. WE CAN ONLY PRAY TO GOD THAT SOME DAY BETTER SENSE WILL PREVAIL UPON THESE PPL AND THEY WILL LEARN TO RESPECT HUMAN LIFE AND OTHER RELIGIONS.
Re: Re: Re: Whom to VOTE?
by khan on Apr 11, 2009 08:57 PM
even he has not read it. But one can post anything to misguide people and spread wrong information. In india we have the Right to Speech & Expression. In any case who is going to go back & verufy the actual facts, write whatever u feel like writing. May god give better sense to all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Whom to VOTE?
by Milan Mathuria on Apr 11, 2009 09:11 PM
"In india we have the Right to Speech & Expression."
So i guess u are in favour of TALIBAN RULE where u can kill anyone who says somethin against u.
And Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world because all ppl love their lives.
WHEN U ARE TOLD THAT U WILL BE KILLED YOUR MONEY/LAND WILL BE TAKEN, YOUR WIVES/DAUGHTERS WILL BE RAPED....... AND U CAN PREVENT ALL THIS BY CONVERTING TO ISLAM, THEN definitely anyone would get converted.
Re: Whom to VOTE?
by Satish Saxena on Apr 11, 2009 08:49 PM
Anand Sanghvi, I have not read the Holy Quran.Whatever you have written; is it really true? If it is so, then Islam is not a good religion.
Re: Re: Whom to VOTE?
by khan on Apr 11, 2009 09:04 PM
Surprise, surprise, it is still the fastest growing religeon in the world. To verify this, google
Re: Re: Whom to VOTE?
by umar farooq on Apr 11, 2009 09:03 PM
satish saxena..instead of asking Anand sanghavi it will be better if you go through the whole QURAN yourself. what he has writtne is just one side of the coin please go through the otherside by your self
Re: Re: Whom to VOTE?
by anand sanghavi on Apr 11, 2009 08:48 PM
I am writing this again and again because every minute new user is reading this discussion.
There are very few ppl like u who are always glued to this discussion forum.
No offences. But what i mean to say is that i want to take this TRUTH To As many New People as Possible.
And people would read the comments only on 1st page. they wont go to page no. 6 or 7 to read what's writtten ove therer.
Re: Re: Re: Whom to VOTE?
by khan on Apr 11, 2009 09:01 PM
why dont you have this printed and distributed with the morning newspaper, as u r so concerned to educate people as rediff does not have that many readers. I think this is least u can do.
I often read on the message board that if there were no Sikh there won't be any Hindus.It's a canard perpetuated by Sikhs.Let's get the facts.Let's get the facts.
When Punjab was already under Muslim rule, in central India Kalinga (Now part of Orissa) kings built the Konark temple after their victory against muslim invaders.Google it.Even now Orissa has mere 2% muslims because of their mighty kings successfully defending their homeland against Muslims.So Where Punjabis and Bengalis failed, Orissa succeeded.
In Maharastra the great Maratha Kings fought the Moghul rulers and defeated the Moghul rulers to spread the Maratha empire.It's a pity that after the defeat they ended up accepting the Moghul rule in exchange of tax.
So whom did Sikhs fought against?Sikhs fought against Moghul rulers in around 15th century because their Guru was killed by Muslim rulers.Note Punjab was already occupied by muslims unlike states like Maharastra, Orissa and Assam.It's more of a revolt against the tyrant muslim ruler.
Re: Hindu Warriors deserve their due
by jagdeep samra on Apr 11, 2009 08:41 PM
hey get ur facts right mr whatever u are. maharaja ranjit singh crossed attock river and invaded parts of what are now afghanistan and crushed the ferocious afgans in their own land (hope u've heard about general hari singh nalwa ; perhaps if u don't know ask afghans they know him even now). maharaja's empire stretched from afganistan to tibet, kashmir to sindh and u say... Ha ! why's guru teg bahadur called "hind ki chadar" ? (coz he laid his life for saving hindus who were being forcibly converted to islam ) and when v talk about freedom struggle, ask any school going kid, he'll better tell u who were the people who sacrificed lives for indian freedom. LETS NOT BE A CHAUVINIST AND GET SWAYED. LET BETTER SENSE PREVAIL. LETS TALK ONLY OF BROTHERHOOD AND JUSTICE !!!
Re: Re: Hindu Warriors deserve their due
by speculator on Apr 11, 2009 08:51 PM
"coz he laid his life for saving hindus " Don't say Hindus.Say Punjabi Hindus.Because you guys were already occupied by Muslims.And sikhs were Hindus to begin with.So you basically revolted against your muslim rulers.Ha ha ha.But central India was not even occupied by Muslims.Our brave forefather defeated Muslims at the border of our pious homelands.Why couldn't u guys do the same??
Re: Hindu Warriors deserve their due
by shashwat on Apr 11, 2009 08:32 PM
By saying "if there were no Sikh there won't be any Hindus" , we mean Hindus of Kashmir and Punjab. If Guru Tegh Bahadurji had not sacrificed his life for sake of Hindus, all Hindus of Kashmir and Punjab would hv been converted to Islam. The fact is that Sikh gurus and other martyrs hv not got their due place in Indian history. Hindu warriors hv got their due place.
Re: Re: Hindu Warriors deserve their due
by Satish Saxena on Apr 11, 2009 08:57 PM
What motivated respected Teg Bahadur to sacrifice his life for Hidus.Is it that, he felt that there was no difference between Hindus and Sikhs.These were only two sects of the same religion.
Re: Re: Hindu Warriors deserve their due
by speculator on Apr 11, 2009 08:54 PM
Agreed.Please don't forget to mention that otherwise bravery of Hindu kingdoms of Central India gets confused with cowardice of Punjabi Hindu kingdoms.We don't want that do we??
Re: Re: Re: Hindu Warriors deserve their due
by kabir singh on Apr 11, 2009 09:25 PM
we are the children of one god brother..its human tendency to divide each thing which they had possessed in this earth and in the end for their selfish motives human divides the god too..
Congress created Pakistan, threw indian muslims out and orchestrated 1947 riots by creating biggest split between hindus-muslims. Now they use Advani and BJP as punchbags telling themselves as secular.
