They are the people who never made any controversial comments. When they make comments about Chappel we should give some weight. I remember it was Vengsarkar who was bold enough to tell that there is a limit to experiment. Till that point no one dared to say about Chappel's way of working. It never clicked and it created enough confusion and damaged the career of some people like Irfan Pathan. We just believe foreigner especially from West are more intelligent and scare to say anything. There was something called Ladyluck which gave some brief success to Chappel and rest of it was all chaos. Asking a Senior like Laxman to Open and threatening to sit in bench just because he doesnt prefer opening is a joke. We all know Chappel brothers on how they sabotaged Kim hughes and made him retire. They dont have any content to gain respect.
Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 04:37 AM
..but these are controversial comments, so in essence your first statement negates the second.
Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 05:33 AM
He said that they are not like bollywood worms who speak anything to media
Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 01:15 PM
If there experience is like speaking anything then you need a break.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 04:45 PM
He wrote his autobiography where he speaks his experience.Other players open up with there experience to press.You cannot say that they speak anything to media like bollywood worms do.I agree to explorers comments.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 05:58 PM
i did not say they speak anything to media like bollywood worms. that is the term you used, remember?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:02 PM
Term I used to agree with explorer.If you dont know to read am I responsible
Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 04:42 AM
..and what's the point in giving weight to the argument now..comments at this time from sachin and laxman have no value and carry no weight, but at the time would've come in very useful
Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 05:37 AM
It would have been very useful to throw them out of the team,maybe you could relish it then
Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 01:19 PM
If Greg could throw Ganguly out and make Sachin run to the media,he definitely could throw him out.You should not forget that even BCCI did not listen to Sachins words on Chappel.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 02:27 PM
you yourself have been making comments that bhaj got away with a reprimand only, and that sachin played safe. why couldn't he give his version of things at the time?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 04:41 PM
If you read Sachins version he says he wrote to BCCI.You want him to personally come to you and give his version?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 05:58 PM
where does it say sachin mailed to bcci aout it?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Comments from Laxman and Sachin have value
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:52 PM
So you did not read any article from yesterday.
Can sachin dare 2 say anything about fixing in indian cricket from 1990-2014...or about administration.......he wont very selfish and great cricketer of all time
Re: bold news
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 04, 2014 08:31 PM
I want Sachin and Dravid to come out with the malpractice report during their captaincy in 50 over and IPL
Re: bold news
by explorer on Nov 04, 2014 09:40 PM
He is great cricketer of all time no doubt about that. And the comments about selfish. I am tired to see these ridiculous statements. Why some one must not be selfish. Are you living for others? Is Latha singing for free? Amitabh acting for free? Cant we admire them for their talent? Why should we link this selfish tag? Are we all working for free?
Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 08:10 AM
Mr.Jogi,Sachin is a role model for all youngsters. So for him to include this kind of silly things in his book is just to make it saleable and unacceptable. Saurav and Harbhajan are known to be controversial characters even during their playing days.
Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 01:27 PM
Mr.Pak,A person who has not even graduated and earns money is not a role model.If he was a role model he would not be criticised so much during 2007 wc fail and people would not pelt stones at his house.Haters are simply exaggerating things here.He has a mad fan base who will blindly buy his book.He has a mad hater base who will not buy his book whatever happens.Sachins name in Indian cricket is so big that he does not need additional promotion.
Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 02:30 PM
how does him not being graduate has anything to do with his art? this is like the dumbest thing i've heard in a while..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 02:32 PM
you can easily find several prominent examples of people from all fields who couldn't complete college but still went on to make a huge impact, not just for themselves but everyone...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 04:54 PM
Mr.Dreamer I know that you and Mr.Pak think you are only brainy and others are dumb.Tell me how and to whom he is a role model.You all say he is selfish so he cannot be a role model to sportsmen.You people say he wanted to evade tax,is it role model.He is not a graduate so he cannot be role model for students.He is not the only charitable man or best parents so he is not an role model there also.Please acsept me as dumb student and show bliss.
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by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:00 PM
sachin is talented bat, no question about that, so it doesn't really make a difference if he has a paper that validates something inconsequential in the context.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:54 PM
According to egotistical people like you only what you write is consequential.
Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 02:58 PM
Mr.Jogi,please dont postStup!d arguments that a person who is not a graduate can not be a role model. Anybody,whatever profession they are pursuing, can surely learn on dedication and how to be focused to achieve their goal in life.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 04:57 PM
So role model in India will face stone pelting at house if all in team fail.wah,very good definition of role model
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 05:08 PM
Sir-ji,out of 125 crores how many people pelted stones? Were you one among those few?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 05:30 PM
You are speaking about mad cricket fans.He was also booed when scored less even at home.What were the people doing,who see him as role model?I ask same question as I ask Mr.Dreamer to define role model.He is not unique in anyway.If you and Mr.Dreamer who think only you are brainy think twice,you will observe that his normal fans and mad fans has no problems with this revelation.People who hate him are crying about it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 05:38 PM
Mr.Jogi,why are you generalizing by the behaviour of 20 or 25 people pelting stones or the crowd booing him. I don't support Sachin. But look at his determination. He was successful and signed a major endorsement contract when he was not even 18. But, he ensured his feet were grounded and focused only on cricket and achieved aplenty. I am sure you will be knowing some cricketers who lost focus after the initial success and are nowhere in the news now.
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by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 05:48 PM
Mr.Wcpak so he is the only person who did that and so he is a role model.Ganguly,Dravid,Laxman,Dhoni faced tougher challenge and are supposed to have succeeded better than him.Infact you are generalizing 20 25 cricketers who lost focus.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 05:53 PM
Mr.Jogi,you are not talking sense.Did I mention anywhere that he is the only role model?There are many from different fields.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:11 PM
So Mr.Brainy Wcpak you said he is a role model for all youngsters.Who is speaking nonsense now?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:02 PM
..so if the people burn effigies or throw stones etc, that is the problem with people...it doesn't say anything about sachin being or not being a role model.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:05 PM
jogi are you under the belief that only people who own degrees are automatic choices for being a role model? well, they can be your role model at best, if that's what you want..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:06 PM
jogi could you clarify if people like bill gates, steve jobs were any less of role models cuz they did not have a degree so to speak..?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:16 PM
So you are comparing Sachin with Gates,Jobs.Wah again
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 06:16 PM
Mr.Jogi,you seem to be arguing just for the sake of arguing. When it comes to determination and not becoming a spoilt brat after the initial success, he can surely be a role model for all.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:19 PM
Can be,and is.Both are different and you used both.Now who is arguing for the sake of it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:19 PM
why shouldn't i bring steve jobs into the mix, by your definition of a role model, he can't be one...cuz he didn't own a degree.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:22 PM
You easily missed reading my reply to your post calling me dumb.Now who is dumb?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:21 PM
sachin is a genius of his field, they were geniuses of theirs, i will bring in srinivasa ramanujam,..thats another role model gone..he was uneducated..working math alone until hardy discovered him
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 06:24 PM
Mr.Jogi,you are again arguing foolishly.If you search for college drop out Billionaires in google, you will surely find the names of Bill Gates, Steve Jobs etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:34 PM
Mr. Wcpak so being billionaire means role model.And you say I am foolish.What should one say at such prejudice
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:24 PM
i'm only defining people who cant ever be your role models..what better way to illustrate your point than providing examples like i've done.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:32 PM
Mr. Most brainy Dreamer Which cricketer is a role model?For what reason?You tell me now.According to most people including Mr. Brainy Wcpak Sachin is a selfish cricketer who played cricket for 9 or 10 years and played politics for the rest of his career.How can such person be a role model?You said that he is making publicity or something like that about the book.You think he needs that stunt after being a recognised genius in his field as you also said?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:38 PM
why don't you just accept your no-degree,no-role model premise is wrong? i've just proved you wrong with different examples. what is your 'fresh' point now really? jogi, neither sachin, nor gates, nor jobs , nor ramanujam can be your model but these folks are role models to millions around the globe :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:49 PM
Who are you to force me to think your way.You are wrong in most of your analysis still you want others to accept your view.You are a dogmatic thinker.To whom has Sachin been a role model you never reply.I replied to each of your point saying why he cannot be a role model and education is also one of them.Why do you want to quieten others with your dogmatic views.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 06:55 PM
so you're saying sachin isn't a role model for budding cricketers in india, you mean they think just like you and ignore his achievements and ponder first whether he has a degree? lolz..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:00 PM
Mr.Self proclaimed Brainy Dreamer Sachin is selfish,evades tax and a liar according to most of the people is a role model?Lolz at yourself before commenting others.Or maybe you people were lying.I dont ask you dogmatically to accept that you are wrong.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 07:00 PM
jogi, there's only one person here who's arrogantly putting his nonsensical points across...do not forget what you said, if he has no degree, he cant be a role model, think over it, how weird you sound..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:07 PM
Again you are reading half misunderstanding double.You are hiding your mistakes by blaming me and reading only one sentence.If you are not ready to accept your mistake blame others.I wonder who your role model is.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 07:03 PM
doesn't matter what you think of him, you can't deny his batting talent, he inspired a whole generation of people. again i reiterate he can never be your role model, cuz he doesn't have a degree, but i do no think the way you do..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:12 PM
Inspires a whole generation you say now.I am not denying anything,you people badmouthed him all you wanted and now acting like saints.What you think is not my problem but what I think is your problem and want me to accept what you think is right.I dont even feel like telling lolz at you.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 07:06 PM
jogi you did not explain what do you think of other exceptions to your rule: gates, jobs, ramanujam?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:15 PM
You proclaim to know everything so tell me how you are the only right person here.You will start a new phone company or computer association or invent something new in maths.By the way you can ignore everything else and stick to one word called degree without reading anything else and still claim that you are always right.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by dreamer formerlytaklu on Nov 05, 2014 07:10 PM
jogi, as an analogy, there's a popular function in math: n^2 - n Ɨ 41 , its supposed to generate prime numbers if you put in non-negative integers as n.. but guess what, a single exception, blows it apart. if you put n as any number from 0 to 40, it indeed conjures up primes, but as you put 41, the exception blows it away as 41s cancel out each other and you're left with n^2, product of primes i.e. a composite number ....in your case i get 4 exceptions, to your 'rule'..hehe.
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by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:21 PM
So you are the self proclaimed greatest mathematician with his own rules.Anyway I dont care.You are a hypocrite who calls someone selfish and then goes to say he is a role model and then claimes he is right and that others are wrong and tries to distract others by writing irrelevant things like prime numbers and such subjects.Bring your exceptions and excuses to defend yourself.I am waiting for it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 06:39 PM
Mr.Super intelligentJogi, Just read your post. You said Sachin can not be a role model because he is not a graduate. So, according to you only Doctors,MBAs etc can be role model?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 06:53 PM
You are no better than Mr.Dreamer.I told you both that just earning money without education cannot be a role model and gave you people your own reasons to say why Sachin cannot be a role model.Now that you dont have a point you are distorting my sentence and speaking something.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 07:01 PM
There's no distortion. I know a school drop out guy who is a very highly successful businessman just because of his excellent customer relationship skills,hard work and delivers as committed. Don't you think he can be a good role model?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:25 PM
If that businessman has made money like Sachin playing politics and selfishly earned money by spoiling careers of others forget his skill,hardwork amd committment you still think that crook can be a role model?And mind you all those words are used by so many of you on a daily basis towards other senior cricketers and Sachin in particular.Now you tell he is a role model.What do you want me to say.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 07:26 PM
Mr.Jogi,just to make it easier for you to understand.India had another gifted cricketer named Vinod Kambli in the same age group of Sachin.Kambli was also successful in the first few tests.Later on, he was no where in the news because he lost focus. I wouldn't call him a role model just because of his initial success.
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by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 07:32 PM
I understand Vinod Kambli.How many Kamblis are there Mr.Wcpak?You yourself say Sachin is a politician and selfish man who evaded tax and all such things.So he is a role model for you na?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by wcpak on Nov 05, 2014 07:50 PM
Mr.Jogi,you are looking only at the negatives. Look at his positive side of how focused he was in achieving his objectives. Earned a million dollar contract at a young age, had a successful start to his career and still his feet were firm on the ground. Don't you think anybody can consider him a role model on these qualities? Forget the negatives. We are all advised many times to look at the positives and learn from it.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Now what are haters thinking
by JogiMahi HeerRanjha on Nov 05, 2014 08:17 PM
Somebody with a weakness of spoiling careers should be idolised!This is baseless argument at its best.
What a Bunch of Thin-Skinned, childish cry-babies.
"Don't you think 31 is too young an age to sit at home?.." This is an illustration of the frustration Chappell faced...from WS'very own words, one can see that Chappell had to goad these guys into acting and behaving like grown men instead of petulant boys...
Re: Chappell's tenure
by explorer on Nov 05, 2014 08:52 AM
It is easier than said. VVS presented his thoughts to Chappel and Chapel's reaction was not right. As we know Chapel and his brother Ian are the guys who never honored the protocols even during their cricketing days. Kim Hughes gave up the captaincy due to their non cooperation. Now Greg has no right to talk about anything. He went to media instead of getting the things sorted out in dressing room and with the Board. He made controversial remarks and insecure feelings to everyone in the team. VVS is not a person who made complaints everyday like Harbhajan. It is a pity that he is being ridiculed.
