This Aussie team will sting India. Clark and Warner will hammer the bowling at will. Looks like Aussies are playing to their strength of fast bowling and they will make life hot for our IPL heroes.
Hopefully, we see the end of some careers in a month down the line.
Re: India hopeless
by shah khan on Feb 20, 2013 09:03 PM
I don't think Australian bowlers will find it easy. With the selection of 3 spinners, it's more than likely, that the pitches will be dry and slow. After the initial swing dies down with the new ball, Australian bowlers don't really have anyone who can use the old ball to do reverse swing.
when kumble n harbhajan both were playing, harbhajan spporters were blaming that due to kumble, harbhajan's calibre player(!) is kept out of the xi (when only one spinner was to b taken). now after retirement of kkumble, harbhajan's calibre has come to surface!!!
Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 08:26 PM
it was after kumble retired that we became no. 1...it was after kumble retired that under dhoni we began to win tests after tests...thanks to our bowlers including harbhajan...
Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 08:27 PM
count how many tests we won in the next 20 tests after kumble retired and compare them with the no, of tests we won in the last 20 tests that kumble played...
Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 08:36 PM
kummble played 132 tests in which we won 43 (32%) lost 33 (25%) drew 56 (42%)
harbhajan played 99 tests in which we won 40 (40%) lost 26 (26%) and drew 33 (33%)
Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by vinay on Feb 20, 2013 09:01 PM
harbhajan avg e/r s/r 32.27 2.84 68.1 kumble avg e/r s/r 29.65 2.69 65.9 anytime better. but the point is kumble was perceived as blocking place of harbhajan.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 09:16 PM
the point is harbhajan too is good and it is not correct to say that kumble was everything and harbhajan nothing...
in fact if you check the records...when time came to chose only 1 spinner it will come as a surprise to you to know that ganguly preferred harbhajan instead of kumble...
kumble played 31 tests under ganguly captaincy and harbhajan played 37 tests under ganguly captaincy....it is very clear from the figures whom out of the 2 ganguly preferred to take in his team...
Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Ram Shyam on Feb 20, 2013 10:05 PM
Sunil Vaidya the Goofball, Test rankings are based on performance over the time. And what we accomplished under Kumble and Ganguly brought us the #1 ranking in Test..
And Dhoni's successor in Test will suffer for a while for what India has dne under Dhoni in Test cricket..
Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 10:55 PM
Goofball Ram Shyam, the point under discussion is kumble and bhajji...not msd...
Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 10:56 PM
btw what we accomplished under dhoni was more than what we accomplished under ganguly and kumble...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 08:35 AM
yes...nobody expected it... certainly not the so-called ''ganguly battallion'' of sehwag, sachin, dravid laxman...who overshadowed dhoni in their contribution to those whitewashes...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 09:36 AM
very well said solid singh....sehwag, laxman dravid sachin always overshadowed dhoni in their contribution in defeats...
and yes how much dhoni is a dud in tests can be seen from his contribution in test wins...if you care to look it up...he has done no less than batsmen like laxman, gambhir, ganguly, vishwanath, gavaskar etc. check these players contributions in indian test wins and compare them with dhoni's contribution in test wins...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 10:30 AM
solid singh dhoni is not a passer by in test format....on the contrary he is our most successful wicket keeper batsmen...leave aside his captaincy for a while...
tell me which indian wicket keeper who played till now has better record as a wicket keeper and batsman till date? dhoni already has more than 500 international wickets behind the stumps and by the time he calls it a day it will be close to 1000 wickets...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 10:32 AM
btw solid singh, i know that dhoni has done well in test wins abroad also...it is you who have to do some checking...:)
do some homework and research...dhoni has helped us win and save tests abroad also...but u will understand that only if you keep your eyes and brain open instead of shutting them off...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 10:41 AM
solid singh..any body is better in tests than dhoni??? ROTFLMAO...LOLOLOLOL...
there are many specialist batsmen both from india and abroad who are lesser batsmen than dhoni...
check his record with batsmen from all countries and you will find that he is better than many specialist batsmen who played cricket...
if you want a few names then you can check stephen fleming, hansie cronje, michael atherton etc.....who were specialist batsmen and also captains of their national cricket team...
Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 08:40 AM
yes goofball Ram Shyam, dhoni's successor in test will have his job cut up...let us see whether he can be as successful as dhoni in tests....dhoni has led us to no 1 ranking in tests and maintained it for quite some time...so if india is not no 1 when that successor takes up dhoni's job as a captain let us see whether like dhoni he will lead india to no 1 rank in tests and how long will he maintain the status...
Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by itla kumar on Feb 21, 2013 11:17 AM
Under Dhoni,most of the victories(in fact all) came against SL,NZ and WI,which currently are way below in the test ranking.A team's performance is judged by the way it plays against better test playing teams,in which case India has a abysmal record with Dhoni at helm.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ind spinner's downside
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 08:30 PM
at least he has win against these countries ...previous captains usually came defeated from these countries too...
Against Australia - Even in India with the pace attack that Aussies have, with their fielding and batting capacity, they should be easily able to beat an over rated Indian side.
Why do they keep writing repeatedly that Indian batting line up is without the batting greats like Dravid and Laxman ?? Do they forget that Team India had been crushed by England and Australia with both of them very much being in the team in 2011 and 2012 tours??
Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 08:38 PM
very well said yogesh...the 2 white washes exposed our 3 batting legends in away tours completely...
Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 08:41 PM
in fact i wonder why so much noise is being made that after their retirement we will fare very badly in away series...when the fact is when sachin dravid laxman ganguly and even gavaskar vishwanath vengsarkar amarnath played we rarely won anything away and came away on the losing side from aus sa eng wi pak tours more often than not...
Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 20, 2013 08:42 PM
forget the above countries we even lost many times against nz sl zim even with these players in the team...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Deshbhakth Hindu on Feb 21, 2013 12:07 AM
You may disagree, but even your Dhoni acknowledges that India became no 1 in tests because of contribution of Dravid and Laxman.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 06:04 AM
we have lost home series even when dhoni was not in the team forget being captain...and even when players like gavaskar, vishwanath, amarnath, dravid sachin laxman etc played...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 06:06 AM
even kapil dev has acknowledged dhoni captaincy...hahaha...and all the above players are of the opinion that dhoni should continue with the captaincy...hahahaha...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 06:06 AM
you may disagree, but even your sachin has acknowledged that the team under dhoni that he played with was the best and dhoni the best captain that he played under, ditto for dravid laxman and ganguly who praise dhoni and his captaincy...hahahaha...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 06:50 AM
you may disagree, but even your dravid and laxman are fans of dhoni's batting and captaincy...hahhaha...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 06:51 AM
in fact i have written umpteen times how dravid and laxman are our best test batsmen and not sachin...and they play well and save india in critical situations rather than sachin...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 09:41 AM
grow up...solid singh...if what they all say are politically correct statements then so are then the statements like dravid and laxman are our best test batsmen and play well and save india in critical positions, that kapil dev was a very good allrounder, gavaskar was a great opening batsmen ganguly was a good and aggressive captain etc. are also politically correct statements ...:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Sunil Vaidya on Feb 21, 2013 09:52 AM
what can i say to that solid singh...if people like kapil gavaskar sachin dravid laxman ganguly etc. are all madmen and write BS most of the times and cannot be trusted...
then well dont trust anybody and ignore whatever these players say...
it is your prerogative...who am i to interfere? Get well soon :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Batting greats !?
by Deshbhakth Hindu on Feb 21, 2013 12:09 AM
And now India is even losing home series under the so called young brigade and great captain. Hahaha.
Re: Batting greats !?
by Yogesh Hasabnis on Feb 21, 2013 01:23 AM
My point is that it's not about legendary batsmen with great records that matters. What matters is good leadership. Batting greats with great stats come and go. Undue importance shouldn't be given to great stats. The recipe for good results against tough teams is a decent team with a purposeful captain. Remember how Team India beat England at Headingley in 2002 by an innings and Australia at Adelaide in 2003 ?
