1.Sehwag ( Last O Out side India) 2.Gambhir ( same ) 3.Dravid ( Final game ) 4.Tendulkar ( Final Game) 5.Kolhi 6.Rohit 7.Ashwinn 8,Saha 9.Ojah 10.Zaheer.( Last game outside) 11.Yadhav
Re: Team
by akshay baba on Jan 19, 2012 09:58 PM
who r u to decide on the career of zaheer ,sachin, gautam,dravid and viru?do u know their contribution to indian cricket.
When age catches up - what is called father time - even the best slides fast. That is how nature functions. No one has defied age, ever. Our selectors made a big mistake in selecting those whose reflexes do not measure up and the Assues are making merry. Plain facts!
You are right Mr.Akram. Today's cricket is for the young and energetic and not for the ones above 30plus as the fielding standards have become an important part of the game which was not so in the 60s and 70s. A player is expected not only to score runs or take wickets but also stop runs and take catches. The seniors in this Indian team have become liabilities both in the batting and fielding departments. When are the going to realise that their reflexes have become slow with aging and they can't give their best to the team?
we wrote here against this team and against selection policy but what happens at end of the day? Sachin again selected for tri series and Zaheer also kept in team?
Wasim u r correct. Its nice to see u supporting team india during this difficult junctures. Its really shame for the subcontinent. The likes of Rohit Sharma, Rahane must be giving clear opportunity dropping dravid and laxman.
If you have seen India's batting at Perth or Sydney, it could give an idea how much the Indian team is short on techniques facing the short or swinging ball on fast bouncy tracks. I wonder for what Mr. Fletcher is paid his hefty salary. All the big time senior players Sachin, Sehwag, Dravid, Lakshman, Dhoni seem to be too heavy legged and not applying themselves well or moving well to face good quality fast bowling. In Perth, it was even felt that the Indian batsmen were rats running for cover from a big cat. The team was outplayed in all departments of the game - batting, bowling, fielding, running between the wickets. Young promising cricketers need to be given oppurtunities in the International arena. Seniors like Sachin, Sehwag, Dhoni should be immediately rested. If it was any other country, these players should not have been playing anymore unless they performed well in knockout matches. Sachin and Sehwag have always been absolute non-performers in crucial matches where India badly needed to win. Dhoni is an absolute mis-fit to be a captain. On top of everything, atleast some of the dead slow turning pitches in India exclusively prepared by BCCI to bring touring teams to their knees need to be changed to fast bouncy pace bowling assisting tracks. Even Australia and South Africa have won numerous series abroad but when has India won convincingly abroad in the last 2 decades. BCCI and selectors should stop playing region cards and give chances to promising young fast bowl
Re: Made-up Panthers at home and rats abroad - India team
by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 04:50 PM
You have a problem with BCCI making pitches to help the Indian team, but not with CA or ECB making pitches to help Australia and England teams.
When we tour Australia or England, do they make slow pitches to help us ? No, so why should me make fast pitches to help the visiting team.
A champion team should win everywhere, INCLUDING the dead turning tracks of subcontinent.
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by Shikari Shambu on Jan 19, 2012 04:53 PM
Dont u think a champion team should give a good fight to the opposition? We have never looked like a competitive opposition neither in England, nor in Australia.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:00 PM
I agree. Unfortunately we are not a champion team anymore, (we were between 2008-2010) and we need to work hard to rectify that.
But, I am against the idea of fast pitches are good and slow pitches are bad. Playing in each country has its own challenge. For example, see the condition of the number 1 team in Dubai.
Also do not forget, our decline in hockey started when we moved from grass to turf, we should not make the same mistake for cricket.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:00 PM
You dont understand the point, my friend. Even Australia or South Africa wont perform this much worse like the Indian team while touring abroad. Indian team have been a cropper always against genuine fast bowling on good bouncy tracks whereas there are several players of England, South Africa or Australia who are good players of spin. Idea is to prepare both types of pitches in India to improve players adaptability to different conditions, Hey Mr.Huhumba use your brains to understand the content before commenting
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:02 PM
To add to what I said, if you are a follower of cricket statistics, Australia, South Africa and England have won several series in sub continent pitches not like india team who have always been croppers since 1990. Go and check history man
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:03 PM
India won in England in 2007, New Zealand in 2009, West Indies in 2007 and 2011. India also drawn a test series in South Africa in 2011.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:02 PM
Just see the scorecard of Pakistan vs England match and then come back. :)
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:04 PM
Dont bank on one instance..Have you seen Australia mince meating India in India in the 1995-2000 period How long have you been watching cricket - past few days ???
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:06 PM
Australia won World cups in India in 1987, England in 1999, South Africa and West Indies in 2003 and 2007. Even Pakistan won in Australia in 1992. When has India won a world cup abroad ?? - in 1983 ??? Dont boast about it anymore. If the 2011 world cup was held at any other Venue, India wont have even reached the semi-finals
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:10 PM
I do not think England, South Africa and West Indies are known for making turning tracks.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:12 PM
Australia won in India only once (in last 30 years) in 2004-05, and that too because we made a tailor-made track for them.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:54 PM
Dont think about just Australia in India. Think about how Australia has fared abroad. Similary Think about how India has fared abroad
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:07 PM
Australia meating India in India between 1995-2000?
There was a one test match in 1996 which India won.
There was a three test match series in 1998 which India won 2-1.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:11 PM
Thats the only thing which India can boast about. You seem to have the 1960 mentality of Mr. N. Srinivasan, President of BCCI. What have you got to tell about India not winning a world cup since 1990 in any other Venue outside India. Even Srilankans or Pakistanis have put up good fight against quality pace bowling but the current Indian team looks like a bunch of heavy legged elephants. Even when teams like Australia or South Africa tour India, they win matches - In your statistic you said it was 2-1 atleast they won a match right ? You wait and watch - its going to be 4-0 in Adelaide.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:15 PM
Quite possible, we are playing badly, but do not forget the last two tours of Austalia ended in 1-1 draw, and 1-2 defeat, and that time too, our home pitches were not lightning fast.
Australia, England, South Africa do not make turning tracks at home, so that they can win in India.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:18 PM
Didnt they win atleast one game ? The matches didnt finish in 2.5 days. No other team can put such a paltry display like the current Team India. Even Pakistan or Srilanka is a better bet against the current Australian attack.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:23 PM
Pakistan lost EVERY match in their last tour of Australia, and Sri Lanka were recently bundled up for 43 in South Africa.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:25 PM
I guess you are misunderstanding, what I meant was India tour of Australia in 2003-04 ended in a 1-1 draw, and India tour of Australia in 2007-08 ended in a 1-2 defeat for the tourist.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:49 PM
Teams go abroad for winning series, not for winning one match.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:14 PM
You do one thing, my friend. Without going into issue of altering pitches, collect statistics of how many matches Australia have won abroad and how many matches India have won abroad. That will give you the answer as to how the other countries have fared against spin bowling versus how India have fared against fast bowling.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:21 PM
Australia had excellent record during the McGrath-Warne-Gilchrist-Hayden era of 1999-2007. That time they were truly a champion team. But since then, their record is hardly better than England, India or South Africa.
We are losing in Australia, because we are playing poor cricket and not suitably prepared.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:22 PM
My friend, it looks like you have a problem understanding what is the issue about ? The real issue is Team India fares very badly in Away-tours compared to any other teams - Australia, South Africa, England or be even SriLanka. They go down just like a bunch of cards against quality pace bowling. Its not the same case with Australia or South Africa when they tour abroad. They put up fight and atleast win one game. Indians return with a nought everytime they go abroad in Australia or South Africa. So we have to think about ways in which adaptability of Indian batsmen to various types of bowling can be improved. Its not a matter of altering pitches like what we have in Australia or South Africa. You have a hard time understanding and simply seem to be obsessed with slow pitches in India. Just go back and compare statistics of how they have fared abroad versus India.
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 05:27 PM
In the last Indian tour of Australia, they lost all matches. (Though I agree that two ODIs were abandoned due to rain)
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:31 PM
you are cooking up stories..give me the score cards
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:34 PM
I know India winning against New Zealand but not against Australia. If those rain abandones matches were held, it would have been 2-2. Again this has happened in a blue moon since 1990
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:41 PM
In 2008, 4 Tests were played in Australia. In Melbourne, Australia won by 337 runs. In Sydney - Australia won by 122 runs, In Perth, India won by 72 runs, In Adelaid, Match drawn. Australia won the series 2-1
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by Huhumba Lulumba on Jan 19, 2012 06:16 PM
I told Indian tour of Australia and NOT Australian tour of India. :-) India was the host team and Australia was the visiting team.
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by powerful Goldstar on Jan 19, 2012 05:56 PM
again compare about how both teams have fared abroad - not just india in australia or australia in india
Thanks akram for not sparing 3 oldies in the current team.Unlike socalled ex indian great chamchas who are critical about only vvs or utmost RD and VVS but sparing SRT. You have made the point. THanks for being consistent in views.
