Dhoni's SHANI DASHA has started about a month before India's tour to England. Looks like, It's going to be a bitter bitter phase for him. He might even lose his captaincy. SHANI is a graha that rewards only persistent persistent hardwork and HUMILITY. Keep in mind that, with Dhoni at the helm, except for the hard working and HUMBLE Dravid, all other Indian players bit the dust.
SOUR GRAPES!!!! THAT'S WHAT AFTER LOSING!!!!!!!!! IMAGINE HIM WINNING THEN WHAT WILL HE SAY? WINNING IS ALSO BLESSING IN DISGUISE? UTTER NONSENSE!!! HAVE THE GUTS TO SAY YOU WERE NOT GOOD ENOUGH AND ALL INDIAN PLAYERS INCLUDING DHONI EXHAUSTED FROM EXCESSIVE CRICKET.
Many indian cricket fans here have so long been waiting for their cherished dream to come true...that dhoni be dropped...not only as a captain but also as a player...well let's see...
supposedly better captains like ponting, vettori, sangakkara, smith etc. finished their careers as captains after WC whereas india under dhoni were supposed to exit in the first round itself....
unfortunately for many indian cricket fans their dreams did not come true and india won the 2011 odi cup in style once again reaffirming india's youngistan' and captain cool dhoni's strength and their ever weak link sachin again failing in the finals as expected...
for many staunch indian cricket fans it was a big shock that their favourite whipping boy dhoni finished the tournament in style by hitting a six and fittingly winning MOM award. the youngistan generation once again showed their class to the fanatic indian cricket fans disappointing them once again and winning the WC...
the only silver lining for these fans was that sachin (the most overated batsman for the last 20 years) also rode piggyback on this team for his cherished WC victory...
Re: hi
by Deepak Siddhartha on Oct 06, 2011 11:38 PM
I think u have gone nuts!!!!!! Get urself checked with a good pschiatrist..Money would be funded by Dhoni.....Dont Worry
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 07, 2011 03:07 PM
you can do the same...get urself checked with a good psychiatrist. money would be funded by sachin....dont worry...
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by Rajeshbabu g on Oct 07, 2011 12:05 PM
last 25 year no one can bring a cup for india ,,sachin, azhar ,ganguly ,dravid...but dhoni ..he is grate .. we cant avoid him with one tour...
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by Jiju on Oct 08, 2011 08:41 PM
OK, Grate him how much ever you want! You guys will never understand that matches will be won by team effort and not by Sachin/Azhar/Ganguly/Dravid/Dhoni.
Great job......Take a bit rest after a long summer when you were alone battling Eng in the ODIs.....Let someone else win the CL...CSK winning everything was getting boring....Be back refreshed.
Have you ever sat down with senior players and discussed what went wrong? Indian team was on top of the world being ranked #1 and winning the world cup. What happened after that?
1. You took a depleted team to West Indies and lost poorly in the test series despite the absence of Chris Gayle. You did nothing at that moment.
2. Indian team lost embarrassingly to Somerset in the warm-up game. But you ignored the bad omens.
3. You chose to participate in a fund-raiser for your wife's charity and did not turn up at the dinner hosted by Indian High Commission in London.
4. The selector gave you a team full of aging veterans, walking wounded, and sifarashi players. You accepted the team hoping a miracle will save you.
5. Instead of providing leadership and uniting the team you indulged in provocative advertisement insulting a senior player and his dead father.
6. When Indian bowling was struggling in the first test match, instead of guiding them, you made the mockery of the game by choosing to bowl yourself.
7. When going gets tough, the tough gets going. right? But your individual performance went down as wicketkeeper and you seemed to have lost the grip over the team and the game.
So, I would love to find out if you have any second thought about your actions and decisions during the England tour? Would you have played a different team or used a different strategy? ... or you just never think and let the events take control of the situation?
Dhoni you have Given us the most precious gift that is World cup.the selectors are bunch of fools,those who don't understand,that these players required mentally and psychically rest from cricket.I fell very sorry for all the players of World cup squad,selectors has not given them a chance to even enjoy their victory..we all remember that IPL just after the World cup and result come up with Injuries to key players.We are proud of you and your team mates.I know if this will continue we will loose next 2-3 more series and it will have a bad impact on indian cricket.
Re: Blessing in disguise
by Against Pseudos on Oct 05, 2011 06:03 PM
After "giving" us the precious gift of WC, he also "gave" us the World Record for the steepest fall. No other WC winner went to #5 in ODI rankings so rapidly; just within ONE series. No other #1 test side got whitewashed when playing away from home, to go straight to #3 either.
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by sunil vaidya on Oct 06, 2011 02:34 AM
yes pseudo: that must have made YOU very happy...and now that we are back to playing a HOME series YOUR favourite batsman can now once again give additional threats of superlative performances...now he need not run away at half time in every tour...
u loose the home series agst the english and u r out.till now ur rode on only lady luck.its over now.now with ur poor performance u are hiding urself by saying too much cricket is played.advice u to tale a long rest.
not give 100 percent why did not he take retirement now.In england tour from june he watch wimbaldon with family and after 4 test his leg injured like zaheer khan 13 overs.He did not participate in Champions League.Only give his close up but harbhajan and co. did not win this CHampions League.Tingu is useless now.
He has lost his balance of mind with just one series loss.This shows that he is not even close to likes of Patudi,Ganguly the two captains who developed Indian team against adversities & never allowed defeat to demoralize them.MSD has lost his lucky charm & soon will loose his captaincy unless he works on his batting & keeping which are below test standard.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 05, 2011 05:01 PM
pradeep agarwal, it is not dhoni but YOU who has gone nuts...dhoni is one of the most toughest players ever to play cricket...
he is not demoralised...he is just being practical and one who accepts reality... he is the type who is detached with the results of his work...he does what he can the best he can and leaves the rest with HIM... he is detached in wins and he is detached in losses...he is one who is not affected by what people say about him or however adverse the situation around him is...he believes in fighting hard and winning...i have not seen a cricketer who is more win hungry than him...however tired he may be however responsibility you put on him he accepts it uncomplaingly and unflinchingly and tries to give his best...he is like an atlas who has carried indian cricket for the last 3-4 years with whatever resources are made available to him...he has helped us win many matches and tournaments and that too with realtively new or inexperienced players...
pataudi and ganguly were good no doubt but they had more experienced hands with them than dhoni has..also i dont think that they were abused as much by indian fans as dhoni has been even though dhoni has won more matches for us than these 2 and lost less matches than these 2...
dhoni is not a normal average indian wicket keeper we have got so used to...he is more in the gilchrist mould... instead of appreciating a hero like dhoni so many people here are abusing him.
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by pradeep agarwal on Oct 05, 2011 06:05 PM
It is your view & you have every right to have one.I can say one & only thing that only someone who has never played cricket would compare his keeping with Gilchrist who is one of the all time great keeper.I can count that ball landed in middle of his gloves not more than a dozen time in entire English series.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 05, 2011 06:29 PM
pradeep agarwal, i am not comparing dhoni's wicket keeping with gilchrist wicket keeping. yes gilchrist is a much better wicket keeper than dhoni. it was just a general comment. no comparison of wicket keeping abilities. i meant that in dhoni we have somebody of gilchrist type. our average indian wkt keeper like kirmani, engineer, more etc. dhoni is not like them. dhoni is much better than the above 3 indian keepers as also other indian keepers to date. He is a better captain and better batsman and as good a keeper as any other indian wicket keeper.
i meant that like gilchrist dhoni is good captain a good batsman attacking player and always looking at how to win games...somebody with a positive attitude and not a loser type somebody who gives up easily...
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by pradeep agarwal on Oct 06, 2011 12:23 PM
My dear it seems that you were not born in era when Engineer & Kirmani kept wickets. Dhoni will flourish as keeper by just watching videos of these two greatest keepers ever produced by India.He showed his lack of knowledge about Indian cricket history in a famous interview by saying that he has never heard of Engineer.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 06, 2011 01:49 PM
pradeep agarwal...i have watched llyod, chandra, prasanna, gomes, kirmani, bedi, venkat, kalicharan, asif iqbal, mohinder etc. playing with my own eyes live...i used to hear the radio programme 'cricket with vijay merchant' with enthusiasm and never miss it...
btw dhoni is a player not a historian. lack of knowledge about indian cricket history does not mean he is bad wicket keeper. not eveybody has access to all information at all the times. ask kirmani and engineer about our first wicket keeper they would also probably not know. ask gilchrist about history of aussie wkt keepers. a journalist, an statistician will know more than gilchrist about aussie cricket history. somebody who is 80 yrs. old cricket fan will know more about history of cricket than gilchrist even though he might never have played cricket...
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 06, 2011 01:50 PM
pradeep, take toppers in any field and ask them about older generation people in their field. they will express their ignorance. ask amitabh, amir khan about stars of yesteryears. they will admit their ignorance. extras of that time or journalists of that or movies fans of that time will to tell you more. just because amir or amitabh may not be knowing all the that does not mean they are bad actors. ask new generation singers about many old timers singers. they also may not have much knowledge. that does not mean they cannot sing well...ask anand about history of indian chess or world chess. he will also admit that he does not know too much and will say his job is playing chess not giving lecures about history of chess... and so on in any field...
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 06, 2011 01:51 PM
pradeep agarwal, perhaps you dont know everybody has off days and everybody has good days. dhoni has also kept brilliantly at times and has records about wicket keeping in his names also. he also has record about maximum dismissals in an innings. if past wicket keepers may criticise him at times know that kirmani and engineer have also been criticised by THEIR seniors when these 2 kept badly. kirmani and engineer also at times have kept pathetically...in fact venkat was once so incensed by kirmani dropping catches off his bowling that he lost faith in kirmani's abilities as a keeper and later as a selector he dropped kirmani because he no longer trusted his keeping abilities...so on a england tour instead of kirmani bharat reddy was chosen. kirmani was in a state of shock and that day he just sat in a taxi and asked the driver to just drive around anywhere he wished till he got over the shock...gavaskar has written this incident in his book.
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by qpccAbinash singh on Oct 06, 2011 11:50 AM
if dhoni decides to shrug ..we can hv a captain who can inspire people when chips r down..may be loss will hurt the "we r youngistanis..we r cool " players
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 06, 2011 12:05 PM
dhoni can inspire his players when the chips are down and he has done it many times in the past. people are reading too much into the loss in england. england were at the peak of their form playing in home conditions and with fit players and since they were playing at home they could get a replacement whenever they wanted. on the other hand indian players were mostly not at their peak physically and mentally. constant playing had made them tired and less enthusiastic. also many had injury problems. the injuries were raising their heads suddenly and in large numbers so that even getting the replacements was not easy. if people get injured left right and centre there is not much that ANYBODY can do. if players get injured while the match is going on like gambhir, zaheer etc. nothing much can be done about it. if it had happened in india also it would have been very difficult to get a replacement. it is difficult to play with 9 or 10 players that too abroad when you are jaded and the opposition is at their peak, and raring to go. not tired and injured.
with our best batsmen and bowlers not there this was going to happen. imagine the no. 1 aus team, if like us they also had to play without hayden, langer, mcgrath, warne like we had to without sehwag gambhir, zaheer bhajji, the same thing would have happened to australia also even though no. 1 team.
and youngistan ''cool'' players are also stung and hurt with the defeat. NOBODY likes to lose.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 06, 2011 12:08 PM
the situation in england was something very unique and not likely to happen again and again. like dhoni said ''everything possible that could go wrong happened'' in such cases even god would not have been able to do anything. if instead of dhoni it was dravid, ganguly, sehwag, sachin, bhajji, gambhir, kumble or ANYBODY the result would have been more or less same....
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by Rajiv Kumar on Oct 06, 2011 12:48 PM
So it means Dhoni is not in control of the team.This is very bad for Indian cricket.Definitely he needs rest now.It is better that Parthiv/Kartik take care of keeping till Dhoni is fit to play.
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by Sunil Vaidya on Oct 06, 2011 01:54 PM
rajivkumar, by that logic nobody is EVER in control of ANYTHING so there should not anybody controlling anything or anybody at all...
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by Rajiv Kumar on Oct 06, 2011 04:31 PM
If you are not in control of your team you are not fit to be a captain.We know that Dhoni is capable so we have expectations from him.do we expect anything from players like sachin/lakshman/dravid whose days are over?I agree when you say Dhoni is stressed out and needs a break to regain his old form.it is not bcci which will help him if he has a career damaging injury.he will be left alone by bcci.i dont know why he is playing with an injury.for india, dhoni is important.his health should be the top priority and not such b-grade contests like chompions league.
