Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by Jagan S on May 29, 2011 04:33 PM
Yeah.. we saw sachin captaincy in the qualifier 2. 1. Choosing to bowl after winning the toss 2. Starting with some sundry bowler instead of Malinga... 3. Bajji in #3 slot...
Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:37 PM
hahahah. jagan. how ganguly called as a best captain, when he chose the fielding in superb batting pitch in final. heeheh. get knowledge. how dhoni was good captain, when india utter flop show in 2nd ICC T2O. hehehehe
Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by ASHISH KUMAR on May 29, 2011 05:26 PM
We also saw dhoni captaincy in 7 league matches cSK played outside chennai. Lost 5 out of 7. CSK was always a strong side at home irrespective of captaincy
Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:40 PM
if sachin is not best captain, he shoudn't recommend name of dhoni, then yuvraj was the chance of becoming captain. now dhoni best captain, in future?. but sachin always no.1 cricket of all formats. he was no.1, he is no.1, he will be no.1
Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by drax on May 29, 2011 04:34 PM
Yes let MI keep on beating CSK, and let CSK keep on winning IPL trophy. CSK surely wouldnt mind conferring best captain title to Sachin.
Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by vikadakavi on May 29, 2011 04:18 PM
Dhoni beat RCB twice in the play off and finals. RCB beat MI. So Vettori is a better captain than Sachin and Dhoni is a better captain than Sachin. Which implies, Dhoni is the best of the three.
Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by vikadakavi on May 29, 2011 04:19 PM
Er, what I meant is, Vettori is a better captain than Sachin, Dhoni is better than Vettori. Which implies he is the best of the three.
Re: Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:29 PM
DHONI LEARNT THE CAPTAINCY FROM SACHIN AND GANGULY, SO SACHIN IS GREAT CAPTAIN THAT DHONI. DHONI DIDNT LEARN THE CAPTAINCY FROM VETTORI. EHEHEHEH
Re: Re: Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by vikadakavi on May 29, 2011 04:44 PM
If you read newspapers and hear cricket commentaries from experts, you will realise that captains of all international teams are now forced to maintain their cool and calm, after Dhoni has made it desirable trait of captains. Not for nothing is he praised as captain cool, captain marvel, captain with Midas touch.
Even in the finals yesterday, a few lapses were made by CSK fielders. But MSD only told in general terms about this in the post match interview. Contrast this with Sachin shouting at Rohit Sharma for backing up at the non-striker's end and getting run out (that too after Sachin had taken a few strides from the striker's end) and make him cry in the players dug out in MI's eliminator match against KKR.
Learn facts and make observations before commenting dear koni!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:58 PM
when team is strong, people loves to praise the captain, when team loss, they loves to criticise the captain. yr one of them. get the knowledge. under dravid captaincy, super flop show in world cup. sachin given life to ganguly, dravid, dhoni. u get remember that
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:54 PM
hahaah. vikadakavi, u still zero in cricket. dhoni is cunning fellow. just talk facts here. people never switch off the tv's when ganguly out. hehheeh. in india only sachin wants indian to win world cup, he only performs, lacks other contribution. this time, every indian player wanted to win the world cup for sachin, all played with unity. so we won world cup. nothing great of dhoni here.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: WHO IS GREAT CAPTAIN
by vikadakavi on May 29, 2011 04:48 PM
By the way,
1. Dhoni was not in Indian team when Sachin was captain.
2. Ganguly was captain when Dhoni made it to Indian team. Ganguly was no doubt a better captain than Sachin, but Dhoni has put Ganguly in shadow with both results and demenour.
3. Dravid was captain when Dhoni took over captaincy. I think no cricket fan wants to even remember Dravid the captain, though Dravid the test batsmen is an alltime great, perhaps greater than Sachin.
4. As for tests, Kumble held the mantle briefly before Dhoni took over. Dhoni has built up on the silent aggression of Kumble and taken it to a new, higher plane and Kumble himself would be happy to acknowledge it.
Re: Re: INSULTS INDIA AND SACHIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:30 PM
what i am saying is true. any doubt. just check out statistics from any other site, if u dont know, ask me. i am ready to teach all here
IN EVERY WORLD CUPS, SACHIN WANTS INDIA TO WIN WORLD CUP, HE ONLY PERFORMS, LACK OF OTHER CONTRIBUTION INDIA NEVER WORLD CUP. THIS TIME ALL PLAYERS PLAYED WITH UNITY FOR SACHIN TO WIN THE WORLD CUP. SO THEY WON. WORLD CUPS SHOULD BE WON FOR INDIA, NOT TO BE FOR SACHIN, THEN ALL WORLD CUPS TO BE INDIA, IF THEY PLAY WITH UNITY.
Re: Re: INDIA IS PROUD OF SACHIN
by Ramachandran on May 29, 2011 05:30 PM
Sachin should retire from all form of Cricket., else he will looose his fame very soon. Day by Day Sachin bashers on the rise.
who hates sachin they have below said characters 1. fools,dont hv knowledge about cricket 2. lazy people, depend on parents 3. dont work hard and cry on hard working people 4. they dont hv self respect and others dont respect 5. they love to spit on sky 6. they are cheaters and robs money from the innocent people
Re: 5% OF CRICKET FANS DONT LIKE SACHIN
by Raj on May 29, 2011 05:22 PM
you the first useless fellow in all scraps and i recommed a award for you koni. u first learn english better..then read gud newspaper. then u will vomit here.
Re: 5% OF CRICKET FANS DONT LIKE SACHIN
by Naarayan on May 29, 2011 03:07 PM
Koni or whatever ur name is..everybody can like or dislike anybody.. why are u getting so emotional and vomitting here.. go home and ensure you do not go against ur 6 principles you have mentioned.. you are a joke man..LOL
Re: Re: 5% OF CRICKET FANS DONT LIKE SACHIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 03:18 PM
hahahaha. narayan dont talk non sense here. what i am writing is true. i dont like insults india. i am an indian. i am proud of being indian
Re: Re: 5% OF CRICKET FANS DONT LIKE SACHIN
by ASHISH KUMAR on May 29, 2011 05:31 PM
narayan u also go & worship your ganguly/dhoni. why u force other to like them
Re: Re: Re: 5% OF CRICKET FANS DONT LIKE SACHIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 03:43 PM
how, people never switch off the tv's when dhoni got out. real confidence shows there, its team win completely.
Re: Re: Re: 5% OF CRICKET FANS DONT LIKE SACHIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 03:46 PM
narayan, still zero knowledge in cricket. he forgets past. just talk about temporary boosting
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 5% OF CRICKET FANS DONT LIKE SACHIN
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:43 PM
hahahah. cricketfan india, get remember quarterfinal against aus. dhoni flop show. when team was in good position, he got out and made the win the critical, supper innings by yuvraj and raina saved the match. if roots are not strong, how you talk about final. heheheh. when dhoni came for batting in final, then team was in good position. gautam and virat, saved the match from loosing. y didnt he came 1st down when sachin and sehwag got out. dhoni is cunning felow
IS SOME " FOOLS IN INDIA" STILL THINK THAT SACHIN IS A "GOD"...THEN THINK AGAIN.....!! AFTER LOOSING...ILP CUP..AS WELL AS ORANGE CAP & LEAST NO MENTION OF HIS NAME IN ANY AWARD IN THIS IPL-4 ....TELL US DIFFERENT STORY.......NOW HE IS ONLY FIT FOR RETIREMENT...!! GO....HOME...SACHIN..!.. PLAY WITH UR CHILDREN..ONLY...!
BREAKING NEWS.......MAHENDRA SINGH DHONI....IS GOD ..OF CRICKET...!!
Re: sachin shod retire
by koni on May 29, 2011 02:31 PM
who hates sachin they have below said characters 1. fools,dont hv knowledge about cricket 2. lazy people, depend on parents 3. dont work hard and cry on hard working people 4. they dont hv self respect and others dont respect 5. they love to spit on sky 6. they are cheaters and robs money from the innocent people
Re: sachin shod retire
by koni on May 29, 2011 02:33 PM
hahahh. MS.DHONI is good captain not treated as god, as long as team strong, when team become weak, then he will be another punter or ganguly. hehehehe. whoever is the captain, sachin is god of cricket.
Re: sachin shod retire
by koni on May 29, 2011 02:29 PM
SUKANTA DAS IS BIG FOOL HERE. STILL SACHIN IS BEST. WHAT WILL BE THE FUTURE OF DHONI, IF HE GETS RETIRE. SO FAR THE INDIAN CAPTAINS FAME DEPENDS ON SACHIN'S PERFORMANCE. GANGULY WAS GREAT CAPTAIN, WHEN SACHIN WAS IN EXCELLENT FORM, WHEN SACHIN WAS IN INJURIES, HE LOST THE CAPTAINCY AND PLACE IN TEAM. PONTING WAS GREAT CAPTAIN, WHEN TEAM IS STRONG. NOW, PONTING LOST THE CAPTAINCY, AFTER SENIORS GOT RETIRED. HEHEHEH. GET SOME KNOWLEDGE. ONLY FOOLS AND LAZY PEOPLE WANT TO SPIT ON SKY.
Re: Re: Re: sachin shod retire
by ASHISH KUMAR on May 29, 2011 05:36 PM
so what evel laloo also earn 500 crore by chara ghotala. it doesn't mean he is great. same way this IPL gambhir, uthapa, pathan btothers etc were paid more than dhoni & sachin. Does it mean all of them are great. Money & temporary sucess can't gasuge one true capability
It is better to be thought lucky and manage to win each time than be thought extremely talented but manage to lose each time.
It is sad that the north/south perception and attitudes are still prevalent in the media and the CSK (who have been consistent at winning in the past 4 years) are not shown the type of adulation and starry eyed reports that are given to other Movie star based franchises like Kings X1, Royals or KnightRiders.
Mumbai Indians for all their star players and coverage , have not shown themselves to be anywhere in the same strata as the CSK.
Dhoni has shown that he can win anywhere/any type of game. He might not (and probably is not) the best batsman or WK but sure is the ideal captain for now.
Sachin seems to be the poster boy for having the skill for personal play but not learning anything over the course of 20 years to become a better captain/manager of people. This is not a fault but either folks keeps expecting him to be so and thrust him into it or maybe he has a personal failing in accepting that role to see if he could succeed in it at least once.
Re: CSK is underrated (and not often covered) by star-gazing medi
by Sakthivel Nayakan on May 29, 2011 11:07 AM
I apologize for the double posting - the first post took too long to go through.
Re: Re: CSK is underrated (and not often covered) by star-gazing
by Anglophile on May 29, 2011 02:07 PM
Your apology, as also the balanced nature of your posts, show you to be a gentleman. Good to be talking to you over this forum. And, congratulations on a well-deserved CSK win.
Re: CSK is underrated (and not often covered) by star-gazing medi
by koni on May 29, 2011 02:44 PM
DHONI LEARNT THE CAPTAINCY FROM SACHIN AND GANGULY. GANGULY LEARNT THE CAPTAINCY FROM SACHIN. SACHIN LEARNT THE CAPTAINCY FROM AZHAR. HEHEHEHE. U HV TO GET MORE KNOWLEDGE BEFORE COMMENTING. NOW GREAT CAPTAIN, IN FUTURE? HEHEEH ONCE PONTING WAS GREAT CAPTAIN. HEHEEH NOW?.... IF TEAM IS STRONG AND PLAY WITH UNTIY, THAT THE TEAM WINS. NO MATTER OF CAPTAINCY. U FORGET THE CAPTAINCY IN t2o. its just tossing the coin
Re: Re: CSK is underrated (and not often covered) by star-gazing
by Naarayan on May 29, 2011 03:12 PM
koni.. more than us u need to get some basic lessons abt understanding.. I agree with Sakthi.. considering ur argument of one captain learning from another.. sachin learnt from Azhar and was he able to convert that in to a success? the whole cricketing world knows how big a failure he was as a captain.. and the same dhoni learnt it from sachin and ganguly (according to you).. and he has got the world cup home for us after 28 years.. whats ur logic man? you can be a sachin supporter but don't talk like a lunatic with no logic.. dont talk abt knowledge bcos from the way u are commenting it seems like you have never been to school..
Re: Re: Re: CSK is underrated (and not often covered) by star-gaz
by koni on May 29, 2011 03:27 PM
narayan, iam ready to debate on this subject, if u have knowledge debate with me, dont make nonsense comments.
Re: Re: Re: CSK is underrated (and not often covered) by star-gaz
by koni on May 29, 2011 03:23 PM
narayan, yr big fool here. once ponting was great captain. now heheeheh same applicable to dhoni. team won the world cup for sachin not for india. every world cup sachin only wants india to win world cup and he only performs, lacks other contribution. this time all perfomed with unity so we won world cup. i think u forgot peopled used to switch off the tv'S WHEN sachin got out. dont spit on the sky again and again.
Re: Re: Re: CSK is underrated (and not often covered) by star-gaz
by koni on May 29, 2011 03:26 PM
another fact also yr missing. dhoni became the captian bcz of sachin's recommendation. narayan yr talking like that. u eat yr parents income and spit on them.
It is better to be thought lucky and manage to win each time than be thought extremely talented but manage to lose each time. It is sad that the north/south perception and attitudes are still prevalent in the media and the CSK (who have been consistent at winning in the past 4 years) are not shown the type of adulation and starry eyed reports that are given to other Movie star based franchises like Kings X1, Royals or KnightRiders.
Mumbai Indians for all their star players and coverage , have not shown themselves to be anywhere in the same strata as the CSK.
Dhoni has shown that he can win anywhere/any type of game. He might not (and probably is not) the best batsman or WK but sure is the ideal captain for now.
Sachin seems to be the poster boy for having the skill for personal play but not learning anything over the course of 20 years to become a better captain/manager of people. This is not a fault but either folks keeps expecting him to be so and thrust him into it or maybe he has a personal failing in accepting that role to see if he could succeed in it at least once.
t is pity that even after playing under Dhoni for many years Tendulkar has not learn even the basics of Captaincy. Only due to Tendulkar's miserable captaincy Mumbai Indians are not able to win the IPL cup.
Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by Sunil Vaidya on May 29, 2011 01:20 PM
dhoni is not only a better captain than sachin he is also a better batsman than sachin. sachin is only a flat track bully who needs flat tracks and easy conditions to score well. all his scores have come when conditions are easier whenever there is crisis or pressure situations the nerves get to him and he crumbles. dhoni scores whenever the chips are down, whenever there is a crisis/desperate situation on the basis of his winning/positive and never-give-up attitude and hunger for win he comes up with a remarkable batting display where players who have a better record, better talent and technique fail.
just because of his winner attitude india are doing so well since he blasted his way in the indian team.
all of sachin's centuries have come in friendly situations with easy to moderate targets. whenever presented with good bowlers, difficult pitch and intimidating targets he invariably fails and it is left to other 10 tough people to get going and more often than not they do just that....
Re: Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by koni on May 29, 2011 02:48 PM
i think, sunil should learn the cricket from the beginning. yr knowledge in cricket seems zero. i think u forgot people used to switch off the TV's when sachin got out. talk here facts.
Re: Re: Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by Sunil Vaidya on May 30, 2011 05:38 PM
koni, you liar nobody ever switched of tv after sachin got out. if indeed that is so then of course you have missed out on all our victories because if you switched off tv after sachin got out it means you missed the rest of the match and also missed the india wins.
i really pity people of your type who prefer individual records over india wins. koni u switch off the tv after sachin is out if you want but the rest billion people switch off the tv after india wins...
Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by Sakthivel Nayakan on May 29, 2011 11:10 AM
It is a standard failing in India (and maybe everywhere?)- if someone excels at individual play , they are elevated to a manager role even if they are not good at strategy/personnel skills and other requisite abilities.
This applies to any field but is more obvious in a public spectacle when we see someone like Sachin fail at being a cricket captain.
He should be treated as an individual player and not called up on for decisions or anything resembling management. That will allow him to be a better contributor to the team.
Re: Re: Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by Sunil Vaidya on May 30, 2011 05:43 PM
and it would be very good for us if we dont see another tendulkar. we want dhonis. we dont want losers. we want winners.
Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by chennai predator on May 29, 2011 12:02 PM
In a way what you say is true. Mumbai Indians failed not because of other teams but because of their failure to use their own strengths. They failed to use Harbhajan as a batsmen, as well as kieron pollard not given the chance to bat at the top of the order. Most often these guys were sent so late, they couldn't save their side, it was too late. Harbhajan bats well and most often hit sixers than the regular batsmen. Tendulkar seems to be happy if he bats well, at least he gives you the feeling that it's all over since he is out. He doesn't make the changes that's needed in fielding or batting line up depending on the situation. When Dhoni comes to the ground, you know he is going to hit sixers, you know he is going to jack up the score and defend even the lowest total, I never seem to get the feeling with Tendulkar. And you have one of the best bowlers on the team, lasith malinga. Imagine what Dhoni can do with a bowler like Malinga. Sad, mumbai indians are wasting talent.
Re: Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by koni on May 29, 2011 02:50 PM
how come mumbai failed. it in top3. u call the team failed, when its in top3. heheheeh then before CSK, lost the match in semi finals. u call the dhoni, unfit for captain. the matches won india under captaincy of dhoni, purely bcz of sachin's peformace and team played with unity.
Re: Re: Re: Tendulkar is unfit to be Captain
by Sunil Vaidya on May 30, 2011 05:45 PM
koni u need to learn abc of cricket. your cricket knowledge is at an infantile level...
I think Dhoni is extermly lucky, some what some where some one will played a innings of their life. And they played under Dhoni. Please conisder his own contribution to the World cup and IPL. He is below the avg player. He is just Luck
Re: Dhoni is dam lucky
by Ravi on May 29, 2011 10:19 AM
Don't blame luck. It only shows your ignorance.
Winning consistently couldn't be luck. Or for that matter any player under him chipping in during crisis games and "playing inings of their life" regularly just couldn't be sheer luck.
Re: Re: Dhoni is dam lucky
by ramakrishnan s on May 29, 2011 11:01 AM
Very well said. I think it is pure envy that people call dhoni lucky. Well anyways, i don't mind a lucky captain so long he keeps winning! lol.
Re: Dhoni is dam lucky
by siva kumar on May 29, 2011 10:43 AM
It is pity that even after playing under Dhoni for many years Tendulkar has not learn even the basics of Captaincy. Only due to Tendulkar's miserable captaincy Mumbai Indians are not able to win the IPL cup.
Re: Re: Re: Dhoni is dam lucky
by Sakthivel Nayakan on May 29, 2011 11:04 AM
He might not know more about captaincy than Tendulkar - but he sure can see the results and compare one captain to another! Face it - Dhoni is far above Tendulkar as a captain than Tendulkar is above Dhoni as a player.
Re: Dhoni is dam lucky
by drax on May 29, 2011 04:39 PM
So that shows Dhoni manages to bring the best out of his players that they always play the innings of their lifetime under him. Signs of a great captain. Why Sachin and others cant do that?
Re: Re: Dhoni is dam lucky
by koni on May 29, 2011 04:50 PM
y dhoni, didnt cross, sachin centuries and runs and winnings. heheheh. works comparing by drax. dhoni now great captian, tomorrow he will be another punter or ganguly.
Re: Dhoni has exceptional man management skills.
by Preethi V Subramanian on May 29, 2011 09:39 AM
1. He leads from the front 2. He trusts his people to do the right thing 3. He does not "instruct" senior players - he collaborates 4. He gives chances to talented players when they are down in the dumps
Re: Re: Dhoni has exceptional man management skills.
by Ravi on May 29, 2011 10:21 AM
I am not sure whether I agree with the 1, 2 and 4 above because even past captains were good at these qualities.
