Sachin is good player But He had not the ability of win the match in own sholder usually Chris Gayle. That was a team effort of Mumbai Indians. Hence Sachin destiny is good.
Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 02:07 PM
what ''gud batting'' sonu? sachin has the enormous advantage of opening the innings all the time, and what has he done? 500 runs at a little over 100 strike rate in this ipl? gayle has came so late and overtaken sachin in aggregates and strike rate. dhoni comes so low down the order. he also is near 400 runs with much better strike rate than sachin. dhoni leads from the front. sachin does not know what to do and has to rely on his team members to bail the team out from the mess created by himself. dhoni leads us to wc victory with no or minimal contribution from sachin and you try to create the impression that we won this wc BECAUSE of sachin! sachin has rode piggyback on the fantastic youngistan team india ably captained by captain cool dhoni a feat previous indian teams could not do. that of carrying deadweight of sachin and winning the wc.
sonu in your hatred of dhoni u will go the extent of lying and being untruthful about dhoni's batting. on one hand you u disguise your hatred of dhoni by praising his batting by saying he played one of the most memorable innings of his life in the finals. copying yuvraj's view. no personal view or brain at all.
u say dhoni failed in all other matches this wc. u cite his getting out on 0 vs BD. poor sonu, dhoni D(id) N(ot) B(at) against BD. shameless lies. then u say he made 19 from 40 balls against netherlands so he failed. sonu he remained not out till india won. that is called failing??? slow strike rate so that yuvi could get
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by rajib sen on May 26, 2011 07:58 PM
@ Vaidya… Dhoni leads us to wc victory with no or minimal contribution from sachin wht u said Mr.Vaidya… Now I tell you what Sachin have done so far in this WC 2011…I guess you frgt his Q.F. & S.F. Knock--- Always you are talking about Sachin’s 2 hundred against ENG & SA ,his failure in the final & Dhoni’s brilliant knock in the final.. But before winning Final u have to first win Q.F & S.F. & you know better that the match against Pakistan Sachin scored 85 runs at Mohali , Highest run getter on that day & due to his knock India somehow manage to score 260 or else India could be knocked out from the Tournament . Against Australia in the Q.F. match chasing the target of 260 runs Sachin scored crucial 53 runs in 68 balls & when he got out India were 94-2 after 18.1 overs. So in my opinion don’t criticize someone who already performed & all Indian fans know about it….. A player scored 2 centuries & 2 half centuries out of 10 matches and you are saying that with no or minimal contribution from Sachin in this WC… Then what u actually want from Sachin….Can you explain your statement Mr.Vaidya????
Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 08:06 PM
rajib sen, again you interfere without any reason. yes sachin played good innings of 85 and 53 against pak and australia.
but yuvraj has played more match winning innings than him this wc and fittingly became MOS. i said against sachin 2 centuries only because many people claimed that because of sachin we reached finals. i am only showing that that is not so. his 2 centuries matches we did not WIN. there fore my statement that these knocks did NOT help india to progress to finals is FACTUALLY CORRECT.
rajib sen, dont you read ALL my posts? or do you read only selective posts of mine?
i have said many times what i actually want from sachin. i have also said many times what i actually want from sachin fanatics...
rajib sen, please read ALL posts of mine to understand why i am writing what i am writing and to whom my posts are addressed...
Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by rajib sen on May 27, 2011 12:19 AM
Mr.Vaidya i don’t want to interfere or mess with anyone here...I said this because i saw ur post & comment that " no or minimal contribution from Sachin in this WC "..that’s why... Nothing personal with you or anyone here… I really love this game & I know one thing, there is no comparison between this two Sachin & Dhoni… One man ( Dhoni ) is master in captaincy & a gr8 finisher of the game..& no one will come closer to his captaincy records in the future I bet with anyone..
Another man ( Sachin ) is master & a class player of this game & no one will achieve what he has already done & achieved for the country.. Mr Vaidya so many ppl here always debate & comparing betn this two’s..But I don’t get any funda about this logic.. In my opinion there is no comparison betn this two’s…both are gr8 player & comparing this two’s with each other is absolutely rubbish.. I always love & respect these two players..But ppl regularly criticize them with each other… Thts why these days I am n’t posting any comment frequently or use this forum on regular basis…
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 27, 2011 02:50 PM
rajib sen, i understand you perfectly. that is why i ask you not to be upset with my posts.
my posts are only meant for sachin fanatics who like to abuse other 10 players/ this is a fight between sachin fanatics who want to credit him 100% present for all india wins and call other 10 players useless and demean them and abuse them and steal their credits and donate it to sachin. there are others who are fighting these type of people.
rajib there is no need for you to respond when this fight is going on. it does not concern you. it is fight between these 2 groups and it is better if you let it remain that way.
rajib sen, my messages are not intended for unbiased cricket lovers like you who appreciate all good performances. my messages are only directed to people like LG, senthil, sameer, against pseudos, mainhoondon, dire straits, arvin g, nostradamus, sonu, anukriti, kapil siddhu and the like.
it seems you have no idea of the purpose of my writing even though i have explained quite openly why i write what i write. there are some people here who understand me perfectly (like varun for example).
so once again rajib i would like to assure you that i do not hate sachin. i have nothing against him and let me carry on with my mission.
Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Against Pseudos on May 26, 2011 03:03 PM
Sunil Vaidya:
Well, anyone with normal brains and eyes (just like mine in short) can easily verify your diatribe and check for any "hatred" in Sonu's message which you have quite nicely invented. :) That itself will explain why you entertain many many more people with your "intelligence" than I could ever even dream of... :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 07:49 PM
pseudo:
can you please explain what i have invented? here are the facts. all that sonu praised about dhoni his final innings being one of the most memorable innings of his life. he has parroted like i said yuvraj's words. no personal view not a single word of his own. sonu claimed dhoni failed in wc and as examples gave dhoni's innings of out 0 against BD and his failure against netherlands by making 19 runs off 40 balls. pray tell me what love for dhoni do you see here?...:)
Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by kapil siddhu on May 26, 2011 05:31 PM
sunil, last time i read that u compared sachin wid dev aanad n korchokoi (if i m nt wrong).
nw tell me hw many actors n chess players say that dev anand n korchokoi r the best actor n best chess players ? not even 5 %. but more than 50% great international cricketers say that sachin is the best. it dsnt make any difference whether u or me consider sachin best or not. bcz as far as cricket is concerned i dnt knw more than international cricketers bt u think that u knw more thn them aldo u hvnt held bat or ball in ur life :))
Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by kapil siddhu on May 26, 2011 05:30 PM
sunil, last time i read that u compared sachin wid dev aanad n korchokoi (if i m nt wrong).
nw tell me hw many actors n chess players say that dev anand n korchokoi r the best actor n best chess players ? not even 5 %. but more than 50% great international cricketers say that sachin is the best. it dsnt make any difference whether u or me consider sachin best or not. bcz as far as cricket is concerned i dnt knw more than international cricketers bt u think that u knw more thn them aldo u hvnt held bat or ball in ur life :))
Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 07:59 PM
kapil siddhu i respect your right of having your own opinion....
but i dont respect your this particular opinion that sachin is the greatest batsman/player ever...
you are welcome to your views...
but not everybody in the world agrees with your views...including many international cricketing legends....eg...imran has said sachin is just a record maker, not a match winner....steve waugh has said bradman is no. 1 and other players come afterwards....
so you be happy with pseudo, sonu, warne and others and i will be happy with varun, anurag rathore, imran khan, steve waugh and others.....
Re: again an article of statistics
by Against Pseudos on May 26, 2011 01:06 PM
Well said... and he will again prove to us that scoring runs is the worst thing a batsman should do in his life... ;-)
Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 01:48 PM
yes pseudo you are correct, time and again people like sonu and you have proved that scoring runs and winning matches is the worst thing a batsman should do in his life..:)
that is why you people hate dhoni and will continue to hate because he can do what your god sachin cannot do. that is score runs in tough situations and win matches for india....:)
Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Raman Mehta on May 26, 2011 02:22 PM
This sunil is borne to criticize tendulkar his problem is thath he can't look be on Dhoni. he has forgotten that, it was tendulkar who recommended his name for captainship. he seems to me pakka bihari. what can you expect more from a bihari. they are the most selfish people on this earth. so guys let him bark like a street dog. tendulkar will be considered one of the best who played this game ever. who cares for this bihari sunil vaidya.
Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 02:41 PM
ha ha ha raman, you are the biggest bihari because according to YOUR definition of bihari you yourself are one!
if sachin recommended his name for captaincy it is clear what sachin thinks about dhoni's ability.
raman, the tragedy of all this is that the very person sachin you guys call god does NOT agree with a single opinion of YOURS while he agrees with MY opinions...
ha ha ha....raman nothing more ironical than this....sachin disagrees with his fanatics and agrees with MY views...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Against Pseudos on May 26, 2011 03:05 PM
Sunil Vaidya:
;-). . But Dhoni saying anything about Sachin's ability or Viv Richards saying anything about Sachin's ability or a host of hundreds of cricketers saying anything about Sachin's ability does NOT register in your "intelligent mind" through the same logic you have mentioned above...
Curious... :)
And most interesting is your claim about Sachin agreeing with YOUR views, whereas you have your pet way of disagreeing with every cricketing ability of Sachin... ;-)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 08:57 PM
pseudo:
it is interesting that you claim sachin has so many cricketing abilities (some which i agree others i do not agree) but at the same time you have your pet way of disagreeing with his every cricketing views....:)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Raman Mehta on May 26, 2011 03:54 PM
Dear Pseudos! tell this bihari that we have not started criticizing dhoni but it was he who started criticizing our legend tendulkar. even bihari's master dhoni says, "i used to get up early in the morning to see tendulkar bat" now this bihari don't understand this simple logic that, his master (Dhoni) also agrees with our views that Tendulkar is the gratest of all. so Mr. bihari (Sunil) please listen to your master at least.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 08:20 PM
bihari raman, you people DO criticise dhoni and other players in the indian team. AND steal the credits of their performances and donate it to sachin. of course i regard sachin blameless in this affair and i only consider his blind fanatics as the ones who are guilty here who do this without telling or asking sachin...without knowing or trying to know whether sachin agrees with them or not...
it is nice that dhoni used to get up early in the morning to see tendulkar bat. but by what ''logic'' this makes tendulkar the ''greatest of all'' i fail to understand. it is said that tendulkar himself was big richards fan. he also probably did not miss richards innings if he could. so does that ''logically'' make richards the ''greatest batsman of all time''?
btw dhoni is not my master. i am a big fan of him but i am not his slave and he is not my master....
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by gaurav on May 26, 2011 04:13 PM
@ sunil vaidya...i bet u arent an IT professional coz u dnt have d memory for dat...u have short memories like jst d recent past..sachin was the one who played in an indian team full of match fixers..he was d one who brought india out of fixing scandal...den he recommended ganguly as captain...who in turn taught india how to fight and win in foreign conditions..and den he rcommended dhoni's name as captain...even dhoni admits dat its sachin, saurav, rahul and kumble who have brought the prestige and players on whome team india is banking now...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by Sunil Vaidya on May 26, 2011 08:50 PM
gaurav,it is YOU who is a FOOL, you do not understand what i have written. your rambling post has no connection with my posts....
btw sachin did not bring india out of match fixing scandal. the indian team was not ''full'' of match fixers as you put it. you say that sachin, saurav, rahul kumble have brought india prestige. when i have denied that these players have brought india prestige? but how does this fact of bringing prestige make ONLY sachin the greatest in the world. you say ganguly, dravid, kumble, and others like laxman, bhajji, zaheer, sehwag and made india no. 1. so why do you shout ''sachin is the greatest''? why dont you shout ganguly is the greatest, sehwag is the greatest, dravid is the greatest, laxman is the greatest, kumble is the greatest, bhajji is the greatest, zaheer is the greatest...
you IDIOT do you realise that is for them that i am fighting? it is for them that i write here? on one hand you say all these people brought india glory. in the same breath you say sachin is the greatest, sachin is one man army, sachin wins games 'single-handedly' for india. you fool gaurav how can this be possible at one and the same time?
if sachin is the greatest, one man army, and he wins matches single handedly, how can the others like dravid, sehwag, ganguly, laxman, bhajji, kumble, zaheer, and others be so good? and if indeed they all are so good, how can sachin be a one-man army who wins games single handedly?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: again an article of statistics
by gaurav on May 26, 2011 04:15 PM
its like u want to say that mr. dhirubhai ambani gave birth to mukesh ambani and he brought up the reliance empire....but nw dat his income is more than what it was of Mr. dhirubhai ambani....u wanna say....MUKESH AMBANI IS NO. 1 BUSINESS MAN, DHIRUBHAI AMBANI WAS A MERE NOTHING U FOOL
