First of all batsmen need to get adjusted to the bounce. No batsman other than Rahul Dravid have a technique & temperament to face short-pitched bowling.
Re: Bounce
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 27, 2011 05:48 PM
I agree with technique. But our almost all batsman have good temperament to face short pitch bowling. The problem is patience. Dravid didn't play any pull shot in his last century until he reached 100.
Re: Is there
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:32 PM
All fans of sachin are also fan of dravid, laxman, sehwag, kumble, zaheer, yuvi(ODI) etc who are genuine players. dhoni is simply not in that league & thats why all sachin supporter feel offended when great player is compared with ordinary one. Comapre is done alwyas among equals
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 06:07 PM
nice guy there are a lot of people who think that i write sense. that you dont see sense in my posts i can understand since you dont understand too much about cricket anyway....
and my logic is certainly not idiotic. i suggest you check your logic...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there
by nice guy on Jun 27, 2011 05:53 PM
Vaidya-I can definitely understand that u dont understand anything about cricket. You just talk nonsense all the time with your idiotic logic.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Is there
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 05:48 PM
thats just because either you dont understand or you dont try to understand or you dont understand cricket....
If u are true fan of dhoni- answer withing 5 minutes- How many century he scored outside subcontinent How many fifty he scored in T-20 intl. How many match winning he played in test/T-20 intl. How many MOM in test & T-20 intnl. if answer is not coming within 5 minutes- u are not a true fan of dhoniji
Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 06:09 PM
ashish kumar one of dhoni's MOM is against ponting's australia. he has captained so far 4 tests against ponting's australia winning all 4. incidentally in one of these 4 tests he was Man of the Match with scores of 92 and 68 not out...
Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 27, 2011 05:16 PM
Make a proper comparison. If you want to compare top order batsman with a lower middle order batsman.
Sachin batting average at 5, 6 and 7 position in ODI is just 30 in 46 matches while Dhoni has above 40. Sachin didn't score any century at these position while Dhoni has 3.
Dhoni has highest average among all indian players at 7 in test format which played more than 20 innings at this position.
Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 05:53 PM
well said anurag, thats what i have trying to say so many times. only a few people like you varun etc. understand...
just compare the difference in stats between sachin and dhoni at middle order or lower middle order. just no comparison. dhoni is just too good for sachin. in fact dhoni is probably the ONLY player who has batted from position 2-7 successfully and has a fantastic record at all these positions. he is very smart and knows the potential and possibilities of each particular position and always bats accordingly...
Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 06:04 PM
in fact ashish kumar is a self confessed hater. he himself has admitted in his post that he loves sachin and hates dhoni. all his comments against dhoni are out of that blind hate and out of blind love for sachin which prevents him from seeing good qualities of dhoni and shortcomings and failures of sachin...
Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:19 PM
Only best batsman of any team open batting in ODI/T-20 & bats at no.3 or no.4 in test. It is a hard known fact. Dhoni started his career as opener only with some success also agianst b grade pak bowling on indian pitch. But once his limited batting ability was exposed, he was not alloowed to do opening. Now after he took captaincy- still he couldn\'t dare to open inning in any format of game because he himself knows about his limited batting ability & it is not good for his team. He doesn\' dare to open even in IPL. he knows it is most difficult thing to do is opening & playing in top order & he can\'t survive there against quality bowler. Even parthiv patel can do better opening than ordinary dhoni. Make dhoni opener in all format of game- his carrer will finished within 1 yrs as he will never last more than 2 overs agianst quality bowling. Batting at his position is easiest thing to do. In IPL any of captains & wicketkeeper like sachin, gambhir, patel, gilly, sangarkara,mclumn, etc has opened the ining but dhoni never dared to do it because of his team interest( he knows he can\'t last long & opener has large role to play in any win in ODI/T-20)
Also i don't trust anyone of anurag data. That day he replied & told dhoni has scored 7 centuries. I checked & found that dhoni has total 4 centuries in test & not a single overseas century. even Agark
Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 06:19 PM
ashish kumar let sachin come at the batting position of dhoni in all formats of the game. his record will be worse than dhoni's record...his record looks better than dhoni's and some others because he bats above these players and takes very good advantage of his batting position and the fact that nearly always he gets the first crack at the opposition bowlers in odis...everybody knows his records in the first 65-70 odd odis where he hit ZERO centuries and had a bad record. it was only a stroke of luck that one of our openers got injured and so he got a chance at batting at the top. if that had not happened sachin would still be batting down the order in odis having an ordinary recored....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:34 PM
great to know that u are agrring to comapre avg with bowlers like kumble/agarkar. I admire your cricketing knowledge. I was simply telling you- don't give excuce for not scoring runs as batting position. Laxman has won many test batting with tailenders beacuse he has got that skill
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 27, 2011 05:40 PM
It's you who are comparing a wicketkeeper with specialist batsman.
Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 27, 2011 05:31 PM
M.Bevan never open for Australia in ODI. J.Kallis don't open for SA in ODI.
Re: Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:35 PM
J aklis open in IPL. Also he bats at no.3 in test/odi. real position for any top class batsman.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by nice guy on Jun 27, 2011 05:50 PM
Who is J aklis? Is he your cousin? Bt the way, are u combining tests with IPL..hats off to ur cricketing knowlegde
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: For dhoni ji fan Mahapapi ji
by Anurag Rathore on Jun 27, 2011 05:39 PM
What about M.Bevan. According to your logic he should have opened in ODI.
Sachin played his first ODI at Gujrawala town in Pakistan. Also the debut match of Waqar. They both are die hard fans but did not know where he played his first ODI. Pathetic
Stop comparing Dhoni V/S Sachin in test matches. Otherwise I will compare the captaincy records of both. Sachin plays at the favourite position of his both in tests and ODIS and Dhoni playes the in the toughest
Re: Re: Ashish and Suppandi
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 07:14 PM
nice guy, it all started because dhoni arrived on the international scene with a bang. and with his consistent, reliable and awesome performances especially in sticky situations stole sachin's thunder. dhoni began to grow in success, popularity and endorsement deals. also his impeccable behaviour, courtesy and smiling face giving respect to everybody only increased his popularity and magic...
blind sachin fanatics who at first praised dhoni for his marvellous ability soon to their dismay found that dhoni was getting more and more popular and was being credited for india wins. sharing this credit with anybody else was something his die hard fantards (mentally retarded fans) were not ready to do.
they wanted that their GOD sachin be given 100% credit for india wins. similarly all other players should get 0% credit for all india wins and 100% credit (or rather blame) for all india's losses.
but dhoni arrived on the scene and started to demolish the sachin myth, all sachin's godliness was being washed away. so these fantards started their smear campaign against dhoni who was trying to upstage their GOD. imagine a mere mortal trying to 'steal' god's credit? that was SHEER BLASPHEMY. so these innuendos, lies, accusations etc. started...that he did not want seniors in his team, he does not want sachin to have records, that he is jealous of sachin,
nice guy now u understand why the comparisons between the two started? and who started it and why?
For Sachin the God, only 15-16 Centuries outside subcontinent is enough? for that you are demanding BR for him. Pathetic. For all these centuries, do you know how many matches India won?
Re: Ashish
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:02 PM
Again wrong maha papi ji. its habit of all dhoni fans to quote wrong data like ur self/sunil vaidya/rathore etc. He has scored 30 centuries away out of 51. dhobiji has not scored a single centuru outside even after playing 57 test & 6 yrs of intl cricket. Even agarkar/kumble could score century in england. Sachin 51 test Hundreds England 8 (5 away) Australia 12 (7 away) Pakistan 2 (1 away) Sri lanka 8 (4 away) Newzeland 3 (1 away) Zimbawe 3 (2 away) West Indies 3 (1 away) South Africa 7 (4 away) Bangladesh 5 (5 away)
Wow 30 centuries away from home. Most nos against mighty aussies. What a world class batsman. Politician D-h-o-b-I has not scored any overseas century.
Re: Ashish
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:01 PM
again wrong. its habit of all dhoni fans to quote wrong data like ur self/sunil vaidya/rathore etc. He has scored 30 centuries away out of 51. dhobiji has not scored a single centuru outside even after playing 57 test & 6 yrs of intl cricket. Even agarkar/kumble could score century in england. Sachin 51 test Hundreds England 8 (5 away) Australia 12 (7 away) Pakistan 2 (1 away) Sri lanka 8 (4 away) Newzeland 3 (1 away) Zimbawe 3 (2 away) West Indies 3 (1 away) South Africa 7 (4 away) Bangladesh 5 (5 away)
Wow 30 centuries away from home. Most nos against mighty aussies. What a world class batsman. Politician D-h-o-b-I has not scored any overseas century.
Sachin vs dhoni in WI Mr Sunil Vaidya Sachin at W.Indies : 16 Test, 1328Runs, 57.73Avg, 3 Centuries , 179 highest… All this while facing Toughst West Indies bowling. Dhoni at W.Indies: 5 Test, 184 Runs, 20.4 Avg, 69 Highest.. Look at the bowing attack…. Stats shows Who pee in his pants… Dhonis total is less thn Sachins hights score…
agarkar being a bowler scored a century outside subcontinent after 3 n half years of debut dhoni being a batsman cudnt score a century outside subcontinent even after 6 years of debut This guy can play only in ipl and on flat sub continent pitches. He does not have technique to survive against good quality bowling on a little difficult pitch
Re: For dhobijidog sunil vaidya
by Maha Papi on Jun 27, 2011 04:25 PM
Stop comparing Dhoni V/S Sachin in test matches. Otherwise I will compare the captaincy records of both. Sachin plays at the favourite position of his both in tests and ODIS and Dhoni playes the in the toughest
Re: Re: For dhobijidog sunil vaidya
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 04:52 PM
Only best batsman of any team open batting in ODI/T-20 & bats at no.3 or no.4 in test. It is a hard known fact. Dhoni started his career as opener only with some success also agianst b grade pak bowling on indian pitch. But once his limited batting ability was exposed, he was not alloowed to do opening. Now after he took captaincy- still he couldn\'t dare to open inning in any format of game because he himself knows about his limited batting ability & it is not good for his team. He doesn\' dare to open even in IPL. he knows it is most difficult thing to do is opening & playing in top order & he can\'t survive there against quality bowler. Even parthiv patel can do better opening than ordinary dhoni. Make dhoni opener in all format of game- his carrer will finished within 1 yrs as he will never last more than 2 overs agianst quality bowling. Batting at his position is easiest thing to do. In IPL any of captains & wicketkeeper like sachin, gambhir, patel, gilly, sangarkara,mclumn, etc has opened the ining but dhoni never dared to do it because of his team interest( he knows he can\'t last long & opener has large role to play in any win in ODI/T-20)
Re: Re: For dhobijidog sunil vaidya
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 04:51 PM
Only best batsman of any team open batting in ODI/T-20 & bats at no.3 or no.4 in test. It is a hard known fact. Dhoni started his career as opener only with some success also agianst b grade pak bowling on indian pitch. But once his limited batting ability was exposed, he was not alloowed to do opening. Now after he took captaincy- still he couldn't dare to open inning in any format of game because he himself knows about his limited batting ability & it is not good for his team. He doesn' dare to open even in IPL. he knows it is most difficult thing to do is opening & playing in top order & he can't survive there against quality bowler. Even parthiv patel can do better opening than ordinary dhoni. Make dhoni opener in all format of game- his carrer will finished within 1 yrs as he will never last more than 2 overs agianst quality bowling. Batting at his position is easiest thing to do. In IPL any of captains & wicketkeeper like sachin, gambhir, patel, gilly, sangarkara,mclumn, etc has opened the ining but dhoni never dared to do it because of his team interest( he knows he can't last long & opener has large role to play in any win in ODI/T-20)
Re: Re: For dhobijidog sunil vaidya
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 04:52 PM
Only best batsman of any team open batting in ODI/T-20 & bats at no.3 or no.4 in test. It is a hard known fact. Dhoni started his career as opener only with some success also agianst b grade pak bowling on indian pitch. But once his limited batting ability was exposed, he was not alloowed to do opening. Now after he took captaincy- still he couldn't dare to open inning in any format of game because he himself knows about his limited batting ability & it is not good for his team. He doesn' dare to open even in IPL. he knows it is most difficult thing to do is opening & playing in top order & he can't survive there against quality bowler. Even parthiv patel can do better opening than ordinary dhoni. Make dhoni opener in all format of game- his carrer will finished within 1 yrs as he will never last more than 2 overs agianst quality bowling. Batting at his position is easiest thing to do. In IPL any of captains & wicketkeeper like sachin, gambhir, patel, gilly, sangarkara,mclumn, etc has opened the ining but dhoni never dared to do it because of his team interest( he knows he can't last long & opener has large role to play in any win in ODI/T-20)
Re: For dhobijidog sunil vaidya
by nice guy on Jun 27, 2011 04:25 PM
Wat abt u? You are almost equal to Sunil Vaidya, the other way round. Both are same...two sides of a coin.
Re: Re: For dhobijidog sunil vaidya
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 06:40 PM
wrong nice guy, it is because of people like LG, ashish kumar, senthil, sameer, pseudo that i like this way. i respond to such people in their language, their logic, their tricks and subterfuges, and their smoke screens and red herrings.
nice guy i talk with normal, honest, intelligent, reasonable and unbiased people people in the way they talk. with such people you will find my talking in different manner...
but with people like LG, ashish kumar, sameer, senthil, pseudo, arvin g, dire straits, nostradamus the great and others in the way that they talk. i match them in their logic, their language, their gutter level....
Re: Re: Re: For dhobijidog sunil vaidya
by Sunil Vaidya on Jun 27, 2011 06:46 PM
...i mean i write this way because of these kind of people.
nice guy, in case you dont know it, i started writing mainly because of LG, i just could not stand the shit he was writing. he only kept praising sachin and that too for ANYTHING and EVERYTHIN and NOTHING. for him anything that sachin does he deserves 100 % credit and others 0%. similarly for anything sachin does not do also makes him great and others useless...perhaps you were not around then and you dont know what nonsense he wrote. my blood used to boil reading his posts giving sachin undue credit and stealing it from other 10 players of the team. so in the defence of other 10 players i started writing and in a style that was LG's.
nice guy two can play this game. if people like LG, ashish kumar, senthil, sameer pseudo and others think that they can write any nonsense and get away with it they are wrong. i simply reply them back in their own coin....
for that i am ready to go down the depths of gutter that they will go...
Well done Murali tilak. After seeing your reply/data/facts - sunil vaidya gone back to mental hospital. he is fit only to clean toilet of dhobiji. all dhobighat supporterts (political in nature) run away whenever u talk with logic, data & facts. They will always quote general statement rather than subjective one. Thats the first lesson any politician learn in life.
Re: Menatl sunil vaidya run away to mental hispoutal
by nice guy on Jun 27, 2011 04:21 PM
Wat abt u? You are almost equal to Sunil Vaidya, the other way round. Both are same...two sides of a coin.
Re: Menatl sunil vaidya run away to mental hispoutal
by Maha Papi on Jun 27, 2011 04:20 PM
Great collection of centuries of Sachin from you. Great going.
Has anyone said that Sachin was not good. But all this greatness of Sachin, He cant equal Dhoni. Sachin is good because of Dhoni. Sachin lift WC because of Dhoni's Captaincy and the knock he played in Finals
Re: Re: Menatl sunil vaidya run away to mental hispoutal
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 04:56 PM
who is any one? Mental vaidya always saying that & when gets fitting reply from me or murali or any true sports fan supported with data/logic/facts- he runaway like cowwards. We are not replying to your comments but all data for mental vaidya so that he develop some brain & think logically without keep writing absurd thing without any data/facts/logic
Re: Re: Menatl sunil vaidya run away to mental hispoutal
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 04:29 PM
sachin 482 runs in WC2011 dhoni 241 runs in WC 2011
ur maths is as poor as ur cricket knowledge.dnt teach maths to ur kids, they wl bcm loser lyk u. heheheheh hehehe in ipl too, he didnt paly agnst gud bowling n didnt cm to bat agnst kkr hehehe
any sensible man know sachin was highest run scorere, zaheer higest wicket taker & yuvi best allrounder. Politicain dhobiji lift cup because of these 3 players & courtsey flat Indian wicket. Even 2003 when India reached final (it was more difficult to reach in final in SA than winning cup at subcontienet)- sachin was against the higest scorere. Now one inning after 20 failure will not make ordinary dhobiji any great. Otherwise goginder sharma will also come in league of great who won crucial final over in final of 2007 T-20 wcup.
241*, 60 Australia Sydney 193 v England Leeds 177 , 74 v England Nottingham 169 v South Africa Cape Town 160 v New Zealand Hamilton 155 v South Africa Bloemfontein 154* v Australia Sydney 153 v Australia Adelaide 148* v Australia Sydney 146 v South Africa Cape Town 122 v England Birmingham 68, 119* v England Manchester 117 v West Indies Port of Spain 116,52 v Australia Melbourne 114 v Australia Perth 47, 113 v New Zealand Wellington 111* v South Africa Centurion 92 v West Indies Bridgetown 92 v England Nottingham 91 v England Nottingham 88 v New Zealand Napier 88 v West Indies Port of Spain 86 v West Indies Kingston 83 v West Indies Georgetown 82 v England The Oval
sunil, all these r flat tracks, isnt it ? u hv a great knowledge in cricket. frm whr did u acquire this knowledge ? frm ur parents ? or frm birth only u r so ?
n ur godfather dhobiji, a pathetic batsman outside subcontinent. he he he
Re: For mentalsunilvaidya
by Rekha Gopalan on Jun 27, 2011 05:21 PM
Good the numbers but how many were matching turning resulting in victory for India.
Now turn around and say there are other 10 guys the team. Then - the success should be credited equally not to TEn alone.
As an aside - do you know how many centuries SRT has scored in ODIs outside the (subcontinent Sharjah) against the major teams (WI, AUS, ENG, NZ, PAK, SL, SA) which have resulted in victories?
That would be quite surprising and perplexing for any Sachin hagiographer - check out!!!
Re: For mentalsunilvaidya
by Maha Papi on Jun 27, 2011 04:11 PM
So you 2 have agreed that out of 177 matches he has played and 50 Centuries he has scored only 1/3rd is out of subcontinent. And I can assure you half of them were placid tracks Now Ashish compare his average in the subcontinent and outside. You will get your answer. But look at Dravid. His average out subcontinent is greater that subcontinent
Re: Re: For mentalsunilvaidya
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:10 PM
Sachin 51 test Hundreds England 8 (5 away) Australia 12 (7 away) Pakistan 2 (1 away) Sri lanka 8 (4 away) Newzeland 3 (1 away) Zimbawe 3 (2 away) West Indies 3 (1 away) South Africa 7 (4 away) Bangladesh 5 (5 away)
Wow 30 centuries away from home. Most nos against mighty aussies. What a world class batsman. Politician D-h-o-b-I has not scored any overseas century.
Re: For mentalsunilvaidya
by sakthi on Jun 27, 2011 04:00 PM
Only this much ., he is playing matches for ages got only this. Poor batting record of Sachin Grand pa
Re: Re: For mentalsunilvaidya
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 05:11 PM
who question about dravid. he alson with laxman, sehwag are just next to sachin & one of the main match winner for india. we are saying dhoni is simply ordinary.
Re: Re: For mentalsunilvaidya
by ASHISH KUMAR on Jun 27, 2011 04:20 PM
Dhoni test average outside In WI 2006, 24 In SA 2006, 26 In AUS 2007, 17.62 In SA 2011, 35.8 Present WI series- 8.0 Also dhobiji after playing 26 T-20 intl has not scored a single fifty, no match winning inning, no MOM & pathetic strike rate of 110 (one of the lowest for any batsman in T-20 at his batting position)
