Re: Re: Green top will make it...
by Varun on Aug 10, 2011 11:50 AM
Without zaheer, i am not so sure. But they will fight and try. With so many injuries, what else can one do. But RP if he can get the ball to swing, which is his forte, he can help really well.
"South Asian diaspora in Birmingham would definitely ensure Team India have more support than England in the third Test but not all is hunky dory for the visitors."
either indians living there shud support eng team or they shud b kicked out of their country. dont u think this kind of our behaviour gvs them anger whichis shown against ausis students
Re: indians in eng
by Satyam Jain on Aug 10, 2011 01:01 AM
Logically you are correct but it is not practical.... Any person of any country.... will always be with his home soil... It does not matter that for last 5 or 10 or 20 years he is living in another country and already citizen of that country....
Re: indians in eng
by Sudeepta Chakraborty on Aug 10, 2011 01:44 PM
Its not a war, just a match of cricket and it is natural to support whichever team you deem fit or recognize yourself with.
Still we keep on delivering visitor friendly pitches in India. SA, Eng and Aus needs to be given a taste of their own medicine when they visit India. Only if BCCI wakes up from its slumber.
Re: Re: lol
by Venugopalan on Aug 10, 2011 11:26 AM
yes right..but tell me one very good spinner who can spin balls on flat pitches...we have lost the art of spinning..
Re: Re: Re: lol
by Varun on Aug 10, 2011 11:48 AM
Very true. We are gonna have to reclaim it. The more we have flat or pace friendly pitches, the more demoralized our spinners get.
Indian antipathy towards grass reminds me of Ivan Lendl, who was frustrated by the grass at Wimbledon throughout his career, and once famously remarked: "Grass is for cows." I don't know why Indians should be afraid of a green pitch. If the pitch is green, and offers something to the bowlers, even the Indian seamers can make some inroads in the strong English batting. A wicket devoid of grass, on the other hand will render Indian attack totally ineffective, particularly when they have no spinner worth his salt in the attack. And England have the attack to dismantle Indian batting, even on a grassless track. So why worry about grass?
Re: Whi is afraid of Grass?
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 06:10 PM
y worry...match will be over in 4 days...dont worry....these so called young flat pitch bullies wont play too many deliveries on these track....dravid is there to handle new ball and fresh pitch....dont worry flat pitch bullies , dont get "hurt" and dont miss IPL..that's important...grass is for "cows"...."mudtrack" is for us...
Re: Re: Whi is afraid of Grass?
by Sunil Vaidya on Aug 09, 2011 09:13 PM
he he he as far as i remember no new generation player ever got hit and missed any match...
unlike dravid who was felled by a short ball from a bangladesh pacer and got ''hurt'' and had to miss the next test against South Africa...
Re: Re: Re: Whi is afraid of Grass?
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 09:23 PM
so if a ball hits a batsman he is considered out...???? mental, stupid....go to hospital check ur brain....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Whi is afraid of Grass?
by Sunil Vaidya on Aug 10, 2011 01:34 AM
sunil k, so if a ball hits a batsman (and a BD bowler at that, due to which he has to miss the next test against SA) he is to be considered as a good batsman, who can handle short stuff, can play on bad pitches has good batting technique..etc, etc???
ha ha ha i dont know whether to laugh or cry...
sunil k have you difficulties in reading and understanding plain english?...
mental, stupid how did you escape from the hospital?
this is ur level of understanding? i said ''hurt'' did i say out? not that dravid did not get out ever in his life...you think he remained not out in both tests? he he he
sunil k, according to u somebody who does not get hit by a ball is having less ability than somebody who gets hit and has to miss the next test?
sunil k, why dont you just learn something about cricket before you post here...everybody laughs at ur post...ur as ignorant about cricket as ever before...the only difference in your posts that i can discern is that exclamation marks are no more there and they are replaced by dots...no other change...
at least these new generation players play in the match and they can get 'out'..poor dravid he is already ''out'' of match and hence cannot get 'out' in the normal sense of the word...
sunil k dont i remember you once claiming in your post that you do some cricket coaching? ha ha ha either you lied or if you spoke the truth i really pity the poor guys who had to suffer your coaching (???)....ha ha ha
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whi is afraid of Grass?
by bigben bigben on Aug 10, 2011 12:00 PM
Sunil Vaidya, if you are trying to say that dravid does not have technique to play fast bowling on green tops, sorry, but the joke is on you.
You may win some cheap debating point but saying newbies are better than dravid. shows you in poor light.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Whi is afraid of Grass?
by Sunil Vaidya on Aug 10, 2011 01:38 AM
ha ha ha idiot Sameer once again pokes his nose when other people are talking. some kids never grow up... Sameer forgot the span^^king on you^^know^^where^^already?
Wonder whether GOD was dr^^unk when he made this world...
so many defective pieces he made from LG to ASHISH KUMAR, from senthil to Sameer, from sunil k to arpit patel, from mainhoondon to against pseudos, and so on....the list is almost endless...
or maybe his intention was just to provide some entertainment for me here....
Re: Re: Re: Whi is afraid of Grass?
by sunil k on Aug 10, 2011 12:15 PM
still out of hospital..!!!!! still laughing without reason.!!!! u r a serious case of mental disillusion..!!!!
too much risk in pushing Laxman and mukund into the 11, it is playing wild card.
I would say, have rohit replace Laxman or Mukund. Seems that is not possible because selectors have kept rohit out. Now get an EXRTA SPINNER such as Rahul or Ashwin to apply more force to bowling attack by resting tendulkar or dhoni (Dravid can keep the wickets).
RP for Sresanth Pragyan for Mishra / Munaf
And somehow, Sachin should call in sick so Rohit can be allowed in case he is fit. otherwise, sachin ego will block anyone who takes his slot and wont allow him to do good.
Re: Cutting down the risk.
by D S on Aug 09, 2011 05:12 PM
i would say, Gambhir has still to prove, so he is at risk, Sehwag should come down the order ... will take some time to warm up and figure out those snick balls that can be handled from 4th-5th wicket.
And somehow, Sachin should call in sick so Rohit can be allowed in case he is fit. otherwise, sachin ego will block anyone who takes his slot and wont allow him to do good.
Re: Re: My Team for 3rd test
by D S on Aug 09, 2011 05:04 PM
too much risk in pushing Laxman and mukund, it is playing wild card.
I would say, have rohit replace Laxman or Mukund. Get an EXRTA SPINNER such as Rahul or Ashwin to apply more force to bowling attack by resting tendulkar or dhoni (Dravid can keep the wickets).
Re: Re: Re: My Team for 3rd test
by D S on Aug 09, 2011 05:22 PM
i would say, Gambhir has still to prove, so he is at risk, Sehwag should come down the order ... will take some time to warm up and figure out those snick balls that can be handled from 4th-5th wicket and those from front foot.
Re: Re: Re: Re: My Team for 3rd test
by D S on Aug 10, 2011 03:31 AM
chakro, idiotness is all yours.india would even loose to WI if not for rohit.
all realistic thinking has failed thus far.
all your realistic thinking has failed thus far.
Who called for return of RP and pragyan first? not the selectors. and the selectors were forced to think after long time after the loss in second test.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My Team for 3rd test
by Sudeepta Chakraborty on Aug 10, 2011 01:11 PM
Well rohit didn't play in WI and still we won the series (although we don't like the way we won it). In fact Rohit is yet to play a test and still we are no 1 ranked team. This guy has talent for sure, but no character and hence no longevity as a test cricketer. Will be a poor investment for India in test.
oh..no...dont torture our beloved flat pitch bullies any more.... ENG players ...have mercy on these flat pitch bullies.....only "men" can play on these kind of surfaces, not our most of the gully cricketers...poor fellows...injured, skipped tours, faking injuries...what else they have done to avoid this series....
Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by nisha thoas on Aug 09, 2011 01:42 PM
LOL....looks like you need a lesson in cricket history. This team won in perth,durban,hamilton,barbados where the home team prepared bouncy pitches to counter indias so called 'flat pitch' batters. We know what happened then dont we. India is just going thru a bad patch(compounded by itinerary probs,injuries,bad luck), and they will come out of it. 2 matches losing is no big deal dude. We are still no1 ranked and world champs in ODIs. Guys like u who pull the team are luckily in a minority. We love team India and they will play like champs soon.
Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 01:54 PM
oh realy..??? know the difference between...hard pitch and green pitch.....all AUS pitches are "hard"....ball comes on to bat nicely doesnot swing in AUS and SA....good pace is good for batting.....ENG pitches are different....not so hard....swing...swing in the air...of the pitch...that's the cruel thing for flat pitch bulllies....well the same old "men" in our team....dravid, sachin n laxman..excelled under those conditions.....and here too...where are those "party boys"....gully heroes now.....faking injuries, skipping matches, getting out in no time...we cant watch their horrible time at the pitch ...poor chaps....u must be a "brave" cricket fan to appreciate their performance...keep it up...
Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by nisha thoas on Aug 09, 2011 03:04 PM
WOw..amazed at your knowledge! Ball comes on nicely in Aus/SA. IF its so easy, then why did every team except India get whitewashed everytime they used to travel to Aus? Remember India drew 1-1 during Aus peak years in 2004. And as for swing, thats obvious because we dont have such conitions in India.And dont forget the lack of backup matches before Eng tour to get used to conditions? And whenever eng/SA comes here, dont they get trashed by our spinners? Its the same for every team,so get out of your colonial hangover and learn some humility. India is the best period. The rankings dont lie, and neither do the trophies in BCCI cupboard
Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by Raju on Aug 09, 2011 03:20 PM
Wow...nisha. I'm impressed by your knowledge of cricket. Are you really a girl ?
Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 03:53 PM
wow realy.....who white washed AUS recently at home and away..?? did india won a series at AUS....???? did IND won a series against SA at home recently..or at SA ??? pissed in their pants...at home against stayern at nagpur....dravid didnt play in that match....lost by inningse.....completely "dugup" the pitch at kolkatta....deteriorating pitch.....won it at the last few ovwrs...that's the trick ind play at home....never prepare sporting pitches...."under preparing" them....cant stand for 5 days....get some cricket know;ledge not bullshit news paper knowledge....grls dont play cricket....dont know cricket at all.....join "army" to become a patriot......develop sports knowlege ,play some game to become better appreciater of any sports....dont be a pathatic gully mentality person who doesnt understand sports and good performances and players ability......appreciate good sport performances and criticise opportunistic, weak,and pathatic performances....be a level headed person.....ENG for the last 3 years has played far tougher test cricket than IND....played on sporting pitches who doesent support home advantage.....won a lot of test series and drwn tests abroad....performance is excellent...our gully cricketers are invovled in playing IPL....they didnt....know world cricket....not ind cricket....have some sports knowledge...
Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by anil babladi on Aug 09, 2011 03:33 PM
Yeah Thanks Sunil, the definition of good and bad comes after you compare. So compare this to England who have just started wearing diapers and giving their soiled ones to your mother for washing them. Otherwise there would not be any reason why you would bash a team who had done what no other team in Indian cricketing history has done. Rule the test world for 20 months. I sincerely hope we win one and draw one more to hang on to ranking. That will shut you and your mother.
Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 04:04 PM
mental idiot....know world cricket better...another phalthu gully cricket fan.....when did india rule world cricket..???? never one a series in AUS or SA...never recently won a series against SA at home....watch world cricket not IND cricket....phalthu fellow do u know the difference between a mud track and a sporting pitch..?? ever held a bat and played at least gully cricket..?? ever watched ENG - AUS series..?? or ENG performances over the last 3 years...??? remeber test cricket is ultimate....limited over cricket is jst entertainment..... way back kapil dev team did better than this....know this....won the WC and won a series at ENG 20-0....both at ENG..!!!! look at how these "phalthu" flat pitch bullies pissing in their pants against this quality pace attack..still ur not convinced...i think ur one amongst many who like thsee gully cricketrs, pissing in ur pants ....pathatic fellow..
Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 04:09 PM
mental idiot....know world cricket better...another phalthu gully cricket fan.....when did india rule world cricket..???? never won a series in AUS or SA...never recently won a series against SA at home....watch world cricket not IND cricket....phalthu fellow do u know the difference between a mud track and a sporting pitch..?? ever held a bat and played at least gully cricket..?? ever watched ENG - AUS series..?? or ENG performances over the last 3 years...??? remeber test cricket is ultimate....limited over cricket is jst entertainment..... way back kapil dev team did better than this....know this....won the WC and won a series at ENG 2-0....both at ENG..!!!! look at how these "phalthu" flat pitch bullies pissing in their pants against this quality pace attack..still ur not convinced...i think ur one amongst many who like thsee gully cricketrs, pissing in ur pants ....pathatic fellow..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by pkr ramesh on Aug 09, 2011 06:26 PM
Sunil but for your abuses I agree with you in toto Good assesment done dispassionatly Home grown diaper heroes (except three) are zeroes on overseas wickets.Quoting rare wins and glroyfying them is no solution.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 07:43 PM
Mr. sameer do u know what sporting pitch mean..????? it never give any advantage to home team.....equal for both team....on a green pitch ball swings, seams and bounces.....if u bowl well u get wickets same for both teams, tough for both batting teams.....ENG, AuS, SA never "prepare" pitches...they are the same over the years....for ages they remain the same.....no home advantage....wasi akram ,waqar, mecgrath and co, styaern and co have destroyed ENG team previously, ENG never chaged the true nature of pitches...same with AUS , hard pitches, good for batting, yet produces result......now INDIA....look at the pathatic state of test centre pitches....before a test match begins, BCCI, captain and team memebers heavily influence curator to prepare an "under prepared" mud track, never allow him to put a firm grass covered surface, result, top surface comes off with in first hour of the test match....no pace bounce and swing....they nullify the opposition tall bowler's pace n bounce....all flat pitch bullies plat their front foot and throw their bat....kings on these surfaces.....pitch becomes unplayable at the end of 4th n 5th day.....this is destroying the true nature of a test pitch and they call it "home advantage"....u got it....all test centre pitches in india have been destroyed like this....no pace bounce swing....deteriorating mud tracks...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by Sameer on Aug 09, 2011 11:07 PM
Sunil K
In that aspect , the English Pitches are not sporting since they support the english pacers. Ditto for SA and Aus Pitches.
Ok we don't have a world class spinner after Kumble, but riddle me this -- How many spin friendly pitches are there apart from the indian subcontinent ?
I am not saying that Indian pitches are bowler friendly. What I am saying is that Indian pitches are tailor made to the Indian team strength which is " BATTING"
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by Sameer on Aug 10, 2011 03:11 PM
Sunil K
I think you are confused between Sporting pitches and pitches prepared for home team
England pitches favour pacers by a long shot. English Pacers are traditionally their best when they are on such pitches.
Waqar / Wasim might have destroyed english batting, but the same was metted to them by the English bowlers.
Every Country prepares pitches that suits their team's strength the best. Nothing wrong in Indians doing the same
A sporting pitch should have something for the pacers, something for the bowlers and something for the batsmen.
The english pitches favour pacers ONLY ! Tell me how is this sporting.
And yes, Indian pacers are crap and 2nd grade as of now.Frankly Indian Bowling attack has never been a strong point.
So if you want to create a genuine Sporting pitch, it should be neutral to both teams. But that rarely happens. Every country makes picthes that helps their team the best
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 11, 2011 01:32 PM
ENG pitches offering everything for players....swing early in the inningse, after lunch pitch dries out sun is out it becomes managable for batting...as the day progresses good for batting but still gets a bit quicker and bouncier u can extract bounce, play a lot of strokes, can turn a bit ....but if ur bowlers are pathatic u cant do much about it.....theses are quality test pitches where only good test class batsmen and bowlers excell.....ENG is far superior than india in terms of batting and bowling what's ur problem.....ur knowledge about cricket pitch and sporting pitch is "pathatic"....learn about deterioratin mud track and a sporting pitch......on these kind of same pitches kapil, binney and chethan sharma won a test series against strong ENG team way back....last series IND won 1-0....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 10, 2011 12:59 PM
wrong conclusion.....ENG pitches support "good swing n seam bowlers", not "only ENG bowlers"....wasim, waqar, mcgrath and co, WI pacers, stayers n co...all have destroyed ENG team in the past....all quality seam attack.....spin doesent matter in ENG, it's seam, that's the deciding factor...does IND have quality seam attack..???
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 09, 2011 07:49 PM
Mr. sameer do u know what sporting pitch mean..????? it never give any advantage to home team.....equal for both team....on a green pitch ball swings, seams and bounces.....if u bowl well u get wickets same for both teams, tough for both batting teams.....ENG, AuS, SA never "prepare" pitches...they are the same over the years....for ages they remain the same.....no home advantage....wasi akram ,waqar, mecgrath and co, styaern and co have destroyed ENG team previously, ENG never chaged the true nature of pitches...same with AUS , hard pitches, good for batting, yet produces result......now INDIA....look at the pathatic state of test centre pitches....before a test match begins, BCCI, captain and team memebers heavily influence curator to prepare an "under prepared" mud track, never allow him to put a firm grass covered surface, result, top surface comes off with in first hour of the test match....no pace bounce and swing....they nullify the opposition tall bowler's pace n bounce....all flat pitch bullies plat their front foot and throw their bat....kings on these surfaces.....pitch becomes unplayable at the end of 4th n 5th day.....this is destroying the true nature of a test pitch and they call it "home advantage"....u got it....all test centre pitches in india have been destroyed like this....no pace bounce swing....deteriorating mud tracks...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by Sudeepta Chakraborty on Aug 09, 2011 08:21 PM
What a great foolish ranting you have done here Sunil. I salute you absolutely. If a green top is 'sporting' because you can use it well if you know how to, then so is a spinning track!! Can't somebody drill this through you or is it really fauladi up there?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by sunil k on Aug 10, 2011 12:34 PM
spin friendly pitch means "deteriorating mud track"....IND try to change the test centre pitches of late...re laid all test ceter pitches....chennai, b'lore, mumbai,kanpur, delhi.....result....pathatic...lost true nature of pitches....all dead n burried low n slow as match progresses....mohali is the only sporting pitch never deteriorates....spin friendly means under preparing it....dug it out, role it heavily, expose the top surface to sun, do not water it few days before a test match, the result is top surface comes off with in an hour of the game....becomes uneven dust bowl.jumps, turns, skidds..all sorts of things...match over in 4 days....AUS has "sydney" cricket ground......spins on day 3 onwards, but no deterioration, just turns...AUS lost many test matches at this ground to spin....they never changed it.... well u have a pathatic cricket knowledge...ENG pitches are the same over a decade...they never "under prepare" their pithces....all world class swing n seam bowlers, for ages destroyed ENG batsmen with quality bowling exhibition...WI pace attack, PAK pace attack, AUS pace attack....all of them have successfully won test series against ENG in the past....poor IND seamers dont have the talent to bowl on these surface....we had very good track..chennai...hard surface bounce n spin....but resently destroyed it, re laid the pitch now it's dead n burried.....this is the state of IND pitches....
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by A Mystery on Aug 09, 2011 07:50 PM
well,sunil can do one thing great and that is to spoil the one's eyes who reads his posts/comments,because Mr.Sunil uses '(...)' these dots after every 2 words lol
Re: Re: Re: green pitch again..!!!!
by pankaj kumar on Aug 09, 2011 10:56 PM
don't worry dear, let sehwah makes the statement the way he does, horror surrounding will take the next bus.....and we will remain where we are...
