I don't say that Ponting is greater than Sachin but it's quite unfair to compare Punter with Sachin... Both have their own style and class... Punter is well known for his attacking play where as Sachin is known for his maestro strokes and class act... Critics should stop preaching Ponting with comparision to Sachin...
Re: Ponting is great...!!!
by rohit forbes on Nov 10, 2010 01:50 PM
perfect santosh...thatz one of the sensible comments i have see lately...ur right...both are gr8 players of out time..and we are extremely lucky to see them bat...
I wonder how the media or some buffoons tend to compare Ponting with Sachin.
At best, Ponting can be compared with Dravid (who is just 500 odd runs behind him), not with Sachin who is eons ahead in terms of runs, centuries, fifties, et al.
Re: Re: Wrong comparision
by sanath on Nov 10, 2010 10:58 AM
AP, I was talking about the overall tone of the article(s) that appear and also the comments. It is a fashion to compare Ponting and Sachin, which started a decade back when Ponting seemed to be closing in on Sachin and Lara, but not any more.
Your second point first:
You are free to chk the records: Sachin with 14292 runs and 49 centuries and 58 fifties is 2042 runs and 10 centuries and 3 fifties ahead of Ponting, which is "eons" keeping in perspective Ponting's (and Sachin's) age, and the fact that he is not going to be playing as much or as well as he has already done.
Compared to Dravid, at 11707 runs, Dravid is just 543 runs behind Ponting, which is attainable.
And now for your first point:
BTW comparison with Dravid would have been apt even if it had been only about the tenure and comparative age as Dravid debuted in 1996 as compared to Ponting who did so in 1995, and Dravid is also 37 years old as compared to Ponting who is 36.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrong comparision
by sanath on Nov 10, 2010 11:54 AM
not bigger than 543 runs ? Which would be a better comparision - between guys who have 2000 runs, 10 centuries between then or 543 runs and 9 centuries between them ? Age wise, No. of tests wise, highest wise, avg. wise, anyways u look at it, comparision between Ponting and Dravid is more fair than between Ponting and Sachin.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrong comparision
by Sameer on Nov 10, 2010 12:24 PM
No , am not saying 543 is bigger than 2k. What I am however saying is that the 2k lead can be overcome .
I hope punter doesn't do it though. Hope tendy extends this lead to 3-4k
Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrong comparision
by sourabh verma on Nov 10, 2010 02:06 PM
It's not all about number of runs/centuries which are used to compare batsmen.
Their ability to score against different kinds of quality bowling on different kinds of pitches/environment/match situations also matter a lot.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wrong comparision
by sanath on Nov 10, 2010 02:39 PM
Sourabh, Again Tendulkar would score over Ponting in this aspect as Ponting has never had to face McGrath, Warne, Imran Khan, Hadlee, Akram and Waqar (at their best) etc. whereas Sachin has scored prolifically against each and every team in their own dens.
Poor Man..Ponting, You should understand not all can be sachin. He is a gifted player and can play much more longer than anyone.His playing tenure is itself a record.
Re: Not All Are Sachin
by vikas bhardwaj on Nov 10, 2010 10:21 AM
As if Ponting is not gifted . Dude , open your eyes . He has 40 Test Centuries under his belt and the difference between the two is 25 Test matches. Not cut the crap . He has won so many matches not just coz of his batting , but also his fielding but getting crucial runouts and magnificent catches.Did you forget how he won the '03 WC single handedly . Now open your eyes and respect the contributions of other people as well , to the world cricket
Re: Re: Re: Not All Are Sachin
by vikas bhardwaj on Nov 10, 2010 10:36 AM
When you have already scored 400 runs, your bowlers would always have an upper hand. And are you talking about Hayden's Hundred in WC Final. Dude , what did the so called 'Best Player' did , got out the first over of the match , as he always does in crucial situations
Re: Re: Re: Re: Not All Are Sachin
by Desi Babu on Nov 10, 2010 09:58 PM
Vikas, you talk abt Sachin getting out early in the final but you dont talk about how we got to the final. If he had not played that great innings in the semi's India would not have been in the final.
See the whole picture to get a perspective. Else you will appear stupid.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Not All Are Sachin
by Against Pseudos on Nov 10, 2010 10:39 AM
Vikas Bhardwaj
Whilst I have no issue with you describing Ponting in the right context, I would expect you to extend the same courtesy to Sachin's performances too....
Getting out cheaply is something every single cricketer has done in their career; including Sachin, Ponting and even the great Sir Don Bradman....
Some teams depend heavily on certain players and their getting out cheaply precipitates a "crisis" (ergo "crucial" situations as per you); other teams are more fortunate in that regard....
Consider all the aspects before jumping to arbitrary conclusions...
Re: Re: Not All Are Sachin
by miviu on Nov 10, 2010 10:35 AM
Ponting is a great Batsman, of present generation we can easly say he is among top three. But few points to consider are that by the time of his debut Australia was dominating the game.. that gives confidence to any player as the fear of defeat would be much less. Secondly, he never had to face bowlers like Mcgrath, Shane Warne, Lee.. who are his contemporaries (for more than a decade). But as to Test matches, he is the only one who can reach Sachin, if his good form continues for another 3 yrs.... and as regards ODIs he can never.... So when we view performances and records of both test matches and ODIs.. we cannot compare anyone with Sachin. After all, he is our player.. let's accept his greatness.
Indian team should learn from Aus team (90's and till 2005) that how they play and try to get result on every match they played. Even on Flat track they will not fear to giving a fair chance to opposition and try to get the result. In the last match i think should have declared when they reached 220 with 30 overs remaining for the day. In that sense we are giving some hope to opponent and try to get a result for both the team. That will make the team champion. is that right?
Re: Team Champion - Should not fear
by Kedar More on Nov 10, 2010 10:20 AM
yes dhoni was afraid to take that gamble bcos new zealand have a brendon mccullam and ross taylor who can score even a a faster rate, if they see a opportunity to win.
aussie took chances bcos they had the likes of fleming, gillespe, mcgrath, warme and bret lee as their blowing line up during that period.
we didnt have the teeth in the blowing in the match against NZ.
Re: Re: Team Champion - Should not fear
by miviu on Nov 10, 2010 10:40 AM
and pitch was unlike most of the Indian pitches, which gradually deteriorate and become very helpful to spinners. Ball was not turning, and off the pitch it was coming slow.. so it was neither possible or easy to get all the 10 wickets in 40 overs nor for NZ to win even if they were score @ avg 4 approx.
Re: This is True Sportsman
by sanath on Nov 10, 2010 10:28 AM
Ponting has said it coz he realizes the situation the aussies are now after the sudden retirement of Hayden, Gilchrist, Warne, etc.
And for the same reason we need Sachin to continue.
BTW when distributing free gyan, could you also take the pains to name one person who is worthy to replace Tendulkar at the moment ?
Re: This is True Sportsman
by miviu on Nov 10, 2010 10:46 AM
So who else can be replaced for Sachin.. is there anyone else closer to his performance this year. You may compare with present team's player's as well. Most importantly, its a team game... if u think he has not performed on a particular match, also think of others performances.. then come to the conclusion.
Re: This is True Sportsman
by Joel martins on Nov 10, 2010 10:23 AM
Name some few yougsters who can fill their places. I doubt if there is any genuine contender. Look at Australia, the so called investors in young cricketers. After the retirements of stalwarts like Hayden, Gilly, McGrath, Warne etc. They are not the force they once were. Same was the case with Windies. So I suggest, let the seniors in Indian team retire one by one. Not all at once. By your logic, Laxman should retire because he is in his late 30's. But look at his contributions in saving or winning matches for India. These seniors have contributed immensely to Indian cricket. They still feel they have got lot to offer to Indian cricket. THey are such a gentlemen. I am sure, the moment they feel they are not contributing, they will surely step down. In the meanwhile, let them enjoy their cricket and make the Indians ahppy. Do not force your decision upon them.
Re: Re: This is True Sportsman
by BRUNO MONTEIRO on Nov 10, 2010 01:46 PM
You have to give chances to youngsters.. i.e. not just one series but at least 3-4 series.. and then judge.. Have we done that.. NO ..
