It is not that the team batting second has an advantage. Srinivas Bogle should recollect the first match in which D-L method came into play in a world cup match in the early nineties which cost, ironically, England the match and they found themselves out of the tournament.
As per the D-L method then England needs to a very high number of runs in a fewer balls to win the match and as expected lost the match.
The most important point is though every body criticises D-L method including the great Imran Khan, no one, forget about in the cricketing world, not even in the academic world could come up with a better method.
The only better method currently is replaying the match all over again; but even that too has disadvantages like tiring a particular set of two teams.
Re: SRINIVAS BOGLE IS TERRIBLY WRONG!
by Srinivas Bhogle on May 04, 2010 03:56 PM
Kabeer: The point you raise deals with mid-innings interruptions, as we saw in that SA-Eng 1992 game. I acknowledge that's an MPO weakness. But D/L performs poorly especially if it's down to a 5-6 over innings for a chasing side. The questions to consider might be: how many mid-innings interruptions do we expect in a curtailed T20 match?
Re: SRINIVAS BOGLE IS TERRIBLY WRONG!
by bijoy prakash on May 04, 2010 03:51 PM
he has clearly said that only in t20 the team playing second has the advantage, and it works pretty well in ODI's
In ODI minimum 20 overs for result. In 20/20 minimum 10 overs for the result, otherwise sharing of points, that is the best option. or schedule the match next day from where the rain intervened.
Keep some reserved time, may be on the next day, for completing the rest of the game (not starting it from begining). If ir rains again, go for equal point distribution. This rule was applied during 1999 ODI WC.
The biggest loop in the Duckworth Lewis system is that it allows the batting side second to play with all the wickets in hand. The number of wickets should be reduced proportionately with the reduction in the no. of overs. eg. if 10 of the have been reduced before the start of the innings, the side batting second should only have five wickets in hand to play. This will create pressure on the batting side even if they have a reduced target as hitting blindly is easy when you have in mind that you have ten wickets in hand but not so when you have only five wickets to play with. Please correct me if i am wrong.
An unfinished match in league stage should be treated as 1 point each STOP. Obviously time is at disposal to wait for 2 more hours over and above the 4 hours alloted to finish a full 20 over game.
In the knock out stage, the match may need to be extetended to next day if required.
Normally, a super over has 2-3 batsman and one bowler bowling it. Instead,just as in football,each team needs to pick 6 batsman and 6 bowlers and give the order beforehnd to refree. Each batsman gets 1 ball to tonk,each bowler gets one ball to bowl. There will be fun.
I would suggest instead of D/L in T20, we need to offer a idea of super over to decided the washed our matches. In this both team has equal advantage otherwise , in D/L team batting second has a distinct advantage. So so super over is the best OPTION
systems are to be designed properly and they will work. Now take the example of England/WI match. Take note of following possibilities 1. Rain comes before WI inning starts and WI have to play (A) 6 overs (B) 7 overs (C) 10 overs etc. 2. WI have played 8 overs and rain comes and WI have to play (A) cannot play any more (B) 1 over (C) 2 overs etc. In all these circumstances DL is not going to work particularly in T20. Realistic target needs to be fixed depending upon the situation which may be left to Match Referee.
Re: system ?
by s prasad on May 04, 2010 04:10 PM
The best possible option is to devide as Sachin Tendulkar has one said. Devide 20-20 in 4 innings. each innings with 10 overs each. If rain spoils the game mid way, take how much each team has played and accordingly give decide the fate of the match.
Why give all the overs as most prodictive??? If 5 overs, 4 can be most productive and one can be least productive.. Since the batsman have to attack from the word go, lets give him some respite... Usually teams used to chase in curtailed match... But giving the MPO rule, the captain ll think twice about chasing in curtailed match.. Hope the ICC takes all the factors into consideration and chose the best option acceptable for all..
Re: One more view..
by sakar panch on May 04, 2010 03:17 PM
actually that 5 best over is as stupid as D/L system. Because the worst overs might have been from a low performing 5th bowler.
In case of rain hit matches why not set a target for 'the chasing team' equivalent to the runs scored by the team batting first in the same number of over left and wickets conceded? For e.g. if the rain has stopped the play and only 7 overs can be bowled in the second innings then we should set a target of 'run scored in the first innings in the FIRST 7 overs and as many wickets they had taken'. Thus you will have to better the performance of the previous team completely based on the performance and no mathematical calculations!
Re: Re: A replace for D/L....
by sreenath on May 04, 2010 09:22 PM
that is very much biased because the team batting first may have scored more runs in last five overs..
