India loses, our Captain Fool, Dhobi comes up with same explanation--it is always learning experience for bowlers/batsmen.
But when will this fool learn that he is a mediocre player and a foolish captain.
But then what is the need for him to realize this when he is saving his assss by l-i-c-k-n-g CSK owner and BCCI personnel, Sreenivasan and rahul gandhi.
Re: Every time
by Varun on Jul 23, 2010 01:28 PM
ool LG comes out of the wood work and writes one nonsense after another. Blame is always on everyone but his god.
Selectors should seriously think about his substitution. He is in last stage of his career. He is making 40-70 runs consistently because of his skills. Gone are the days when he made 150 runs. With such a low stamina he can't go too long now. It's right time to find his substitute.
Re: R.Dravid........
by Varun on Jul 23, 2010 01:29 PM
Exactly my thoughts. A player like him needs that concentration and stamina going for long times.
Re: R.Dravid........
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 10:56 AM
Rathore:
Given Dhoni's comments about the replacement of bowlers, your suggestion might not sit very well with him... any further "lack of experience" in batting might have finished the match in 3 days, rain included..
Re: Re: R.Dravid........
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 11:21 AM
AP:
U suggest BCCI to stop playing cricket after Sachin, Dravid and VVS retirres.. As per u, without them, the test matches itself will finish in one day.. Rain included!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.Dravid........
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 12:19 PM
Even when i read from beginning, ur words have the same meaning.. Go and ask ur english teacher what ur comment suggests..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.Dravid........
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 12:25 PM
Chandar:
My English teacher would tell you that the words need to be read in conjunction with punctuation marks.
You might have missed the quotes around "lack of experience", but I am sure other astute readers wouldn't.
Also if you know the meaning of the logical beginning of my argument - Given Dhoni's comments... it means all that follows has to be read in that light..
But that's fine if you don't understand. If my teacher can teach me, I am sure she can teach you too... either directly or through me... :)
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.Dravid........
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 12:53 PM
Chandar:
I see that you don't really know the meaning of the punctuation marks.
OK let's begin the understanding process. If you read the above article, which is purportedly written by someone at Press Trust of India (for argument's sake let's say Mr. Ramarjun Sagar), you will come across a lot of punctuation marks, including quotation marks.
I seriously hope you don't think that it is Mr. Ramarjun Sagar who is behind all that logic. Because if you did, then that's too bad for Mr. Ramarjun Sagar. When you come across quotation marks, especially when you encounter them in sarcastic posts written by dudes like me, you need to pay particular attention, and you also (when on discussion forums) pay attention to the logic being pursued in the discussion.
'Given Dhoni's comments..' was the logical beginning of my message, and the quotation marks around "lack of experience" have the same significance as they hold in Mr. Ramarjun Sagar's message above.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: R.Dravid........
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 12:27 PM
So what?? As per u, lack of experience is going to end the match early.. This is what u meant right??
Does not matter even we lose one match. India can win the remaining 2 tests. With chucker like Murali operating on one end and thrower Malinga at the other end, no team can survive. So nothing to worry. Let them win by these 'cheats'. We will teach them a lesson.
Re: no loss
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 10:51 AM
NG:
:) We never lose. Right?
Its either the chucker, thrower, umpire, weather, "our" batting, "their" bowling, "their" fielding, "spirit of the game", the kid in the third row in the east stand eating icecream, the commentator wearing his tie wrong, the bus driver driving the team bus too fast, too slow.....
You should start coaching our CEO Mr. Dhoni... oops for all I know you already might be the prime reason Dhoni is our Chief Excuse Officer... ;-)
Beyond this disappointing result, have the selectors given a thought on who is going to carry forward the legacy of Sachin, Laxman & Rahul in Tests, when their retirement even if not imminent, is a strong possibility in the next 2-3 years? While all other teams are blooding youngsters, the Indian selectors appear far too circumspect. I feel the portends could be dangerous if the likes of Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma are not given the opportunity right away, for otherwise we might suddenly be up against the Hobson's choice. Not for a minute am I suggesting that either of Sachin, Laxman or Rahul should be asked to retire for they still appear good enough for a couple of years more but one still has to start the rebuilding process at some stage.
I remember the veteran actor Dev Anand saying somewhere - 'Khel mein taazgi banaaye rakhne ke liye khilaadiyon ko badalte rehna zaroori hai'. And no one can disagree with that.
Dhoni & Co, don't worry, every day you cannot be sucessful. It happens, after all it is sportsman game. Enjoy cricket and come back strongly in next match... all the best.
Re: Every day will not be your day
by vaibhav kumar on Jul 23, 2010 10:35 AM
That's a good spirit for a world number one team, outplayed in all aspect of the game.
The next matches are on dodo pitches, so they will be mostly drawn and more so with depleted attack of Lanka without Murali.
So the take home message is that if we play against good opposition, no need to worry, do not show character, you may win one day, if the oppositon is weak or not in their best form.
Afterall, we are world number won, without winning a series in Australia, SA and Lanka for last 10-15 years.
Every time India loose Dhoni put the blame on either batsman or bowler. Every time is learing experience for him. Go to school, if you don't learn from past experience. He never takes blame on his captancy. Learn to play like a captain. Learn from Pointing. He should be made to drop from international match and force him to play domestic cricket.
Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by True Indian on Jul 23, 2010 10:31 AM
Obviously he tried the different bowlers but they were not upto the mark. IT happens in sports, sometimes it is just not your day. And this test match was just that. I hope the team will bounce back and will win both the matches.
Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by vaibhav kumar on Jul 23, 2010 10:41 AM
You are superb for your positive attitutde. You must be in talks with Pakistan, so that we resolve all issues in one go, by just waiting Pakistan to change their attitude volunteerly. Great attitude. I think India now will win next 10 test matches on a trot. I am quite optimistic like you now.
Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 10:49 AM
Rathore:
No captain blames his captaincy, nor he blames his bowlers and batsmen either...
Most captains analyse the game logically... WE did this, or WE didn't do this, this was positive which we'll try to do more of in the next match, that was negative which we need to improve...
Rarely do we see a captain telling us in the post match presentation that his bowlers failed him, when actually they almost lost by an innings (ergo - something wrong with the batting)
Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Varun on Jul 23, 2010 01:51 PM
yeah and if the end of the analysis means that we did not bowl well or bowlers lacked the experience, then the good captains turn around and say it was captains fault ?. Which fantasy world do you live in pseudo ?.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 12:08 PM
Chandar:
No I don't. That's why I find his comments funny... :)
"I think when we had a partnership going between me and Yuvraj Singh in the first innings, we were in a position to avoid the follow on and after that we could have been in a position where we could have saved the Test match.
"But Murali bowled two good deliveries and got both of us out. With the follow on enforced it was important to keep going and keep batting. Then again when we got some kind of partnership going, Malinga got a couple of wickets. It was very difficult from that point of time.
"Once you lose your top six or seven batsman and if you don't have too many runs on the board it becomes very difficult to come back into the game," Dhoni explained.
It sounds almost like a brag first - "If only I was allowed to bat on, I'd have saved the match..", and then a complaint - "Whenever we got a partnership going, Malinga came and broke it..."
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 12:30 PM
Thats fine dude.. He dint say Sachin and Dravid played badly to lose the match.. he said Murali and Malinga were good..
Do this seem like a excuse for bad performance to u??
"Looking at the conditions here, I think we lacked experience in bowling. It was a learning experience for the seamers, who did a decent job after the first day".. Isnt this a praise on the bowlers..
"It was good to see the way Mithun bowled and Sehwag also batted well."
There is nothing wrong in pointing where the problem was!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 01:04 PM
Chandar:
:) I don't want to keep arguing the same circular argument, so I will say you are right. We lacked experience in bowling. Our batting was superb. But at the same time, because it was a bowler's pitch where the ball spun, Murali was deadly; and becoz the pitch was actually assisting fast bowlers and not spinners, Malinga was deadlier and because the pitch wasn't supporting the spin bowlers our spinners were ineffective and overall we did an excellent job in all departments, except bowling, fielding and batting... :) I agree with all your analysis as well as Dhoni's.. :)
Re: Your time is gone.
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 10:35 AM
Funny comment..
Ponting has very good bowlers and he accepts it is not our day.. Has Pponting anyday commented that my captaincy was weak?? Had he offered resignation of captaincy even after losing two ashes??
If u say dhoni to learn batting from Ponting, i d say Ponting to learn keeping from Dhoni.. Every player need to play to his own potential.. I agree Dhoni is not a great batsman in tests.. But he merits the place in the team for his keeping alone.. Leave his batting and captaincy.. With keeping alone, he is better than DK and PP..
Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 10:42 AM
Chandar:
Since you have not heard Ponting on any post match presentation, you can be pardoned for believing that he blames his bowlers and batsmen too.... and that's okay..
Nothing wrong in backing your own captain whole heartedly, even if he can't back his own batsmen or bowlers in a similar spirit... :)
Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 11:10 AM
I too follow cricket dude.. I dont mind when Ponting says our players tried hard.. Because their players do try as they have the abolity to bowl ni high 140's and they have fitness and courage to counter.. Their domestic circuit is strong ehough to encourage the players to play for win all the times..
Ours is not like that.. In flat pitches where a team can win on first innings total alone, where can a bowler shine and show fighting spirit??
Cant back own batsman and bowlers?? Read the article completely.. He dint doubt their talents.. Only they are inexperience is what he mentioned..
battingwise, he accepted the twin loss of him and Yuvi(To good balls) by Murali as turning point.. What else do u need from him??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 12:35 PM
thanks dude.. I have always maintained we lack quality bowlers always.. Batting is consistent and it will succeed in 8 out of 10 matches.. If bowlers bowl well in any of those 8, we win.. Else draw..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 12:29 PM
Chandar:
Okie... I agree with you on the consistency part...
I have oft repeated on this forum that none of the teams are consistent today, and its good to see that you agree, India included... which is usually a rare phenomenon on the Rediff forum when India wins a match... try repeating your "inconsistency" logic on the forum after we win a match.... I'll be most interested to see the reactions you get... :)
Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Varun on Jul 23, 2010 01:53 PM
Chandar pseudo still could not digest the fact that his favorite aussies were defeated by dhonis team in australia. Hence the spewing of venom. Poor fellow.
Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by vaibhav kumar on Jul 23, 2010 10:39 AM
Ponting's team has shown character, they have shown fight. They have not meekly surrendered as Dhoni led indian team.
Ponting need not to say anything for his leadership, as his players never let him down. Here your players are star, rather than player playing out of their skin and showning strneght of character.
Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 11:07 AM
See.. With this bowling attack, even the best of the captains in the history of cricket cant win any match..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 12:12 PM
Chandar:
Absolutely well said. An attack which has Harbhajan as the "strike" bowler is obviously doomed from the beginning...
But our main worry should be that we've started losing (and massively now) against the team who we played the most in the recent times, which gave us enough to reach the #1 spot in tests...
But you are right.. .how long we gonna stay there is a different matter...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by satish chandar on Jul 23, 2010 12:25 PM
The same applies to Lanka too.. Apart from Aussies, they have trashed everyone in home..
If India are playing Lanka and should dominate them. the same appliees to Lankans also..
India won only one home series against Lanka and if u r saying India became #1 team only because of that, i cant say anything about it!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Your time is gone.
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 12:46 PM
Chandar:
Actually its not the Aussies. They haven't played Australia in the last 5 years at home at all.
The only home series they lost in the last 5 years is to ... we don't like it at all... but Pakistan.
As to our playing them the most, in the last 23 tests we played since our tour to Australia, we've played 7 against Sri Lanka, 5 against South Africa, 4 against Australia, 3 against New Zealand, and 2 each against Bangladesh and England.
Speaking of home series, we actually played and won mostly at home, barring the New Zealand tour (and I don't count Bangladesh tour as away, coz we should beat them even when playing on Mars).. so you've actually got a point there.. Playing Sri Lanka 33% of the time and playing at home were probably the two factors towards #1. Thanks for pointing it out.
Re: Your time is gone.
by vaibhav kumar on Jul 23, 2010 10:37 AM
Dhoni has lost it. All the midas touch with bat and his ability to handle press/media, has gone.
He is the one small town guy, who could not handle the stardom to success for the sports and for the nation. He is making money and will make money, as there are bulk of the people in India, who can be befooled easily.
Does not matter even we lose one match. India can win the remaining 2 tests. With chucker like Murali operating on one end and thrower Malinga at the other end, no team can survive. So nothing to worry. Let them win by these 'cheats'. We will teach them a lesson.
Re: Nothing to lose
by Against Pseudos on Jul 23, 2010 10:30 AM
NG:
:) We never lose. Right?
Its either the chucker, thrower, umpire, weather, "our" batting, "their" bowling, "their" fielding, "spirit of the game", the kid in the third row in the east stand eating icecream, the commentator wearing his tie wrong, the bus driver driving the team bus too fast, too slow.....
You should start coaching our CEO Mr. Dhoni... oops for all I know you already might be the prime reason Dhoni is our Chief Excuse Officer... ;-)
Re: Re: Nothing to lose
by Varun on Jul 23, 2010 01:54 PM
lol. It is funny how you have 2 yardsticks. One for your hero Mr ponting and another for dhoni. You really need to get over the loss aussies suffered at the hands of india.
