Ask a random passer by, what would you ideally want from Team India? A non fanatic might say World cup . A fanatic might say No1 Test status and world cup. A girl newbie fanatic might say T20 world cup.
And if you ask them why? Answer: It will make Indians proud. A non-fanatic might not even know for how many years we have a world cup.All they know is its a big cup and it will make us proud.
Why are these important anyways? We have a world cup champion for every 4 years. T20 chapmions for every 2 years. Constant doubts over our No1 status and might not hold onto it for more than 2 years.
20 years down the lane, whats so great about winning 2 world cups (1983,2011) out of 10 world cups so far and almost most of the countries will have the similar record.Whats so great about winning 2011 world cup? Indians are called champions from 2011-2015. And that too if we loose 5-2 to Aus or SA, we cant even call them champions for 4 years.
Re: Sachin
by super hero on Dec 30, 2010 05:00 AM
Notable achievements that come to my mind till now 1983 world cup, Titan cup,Hero cup, 96 SF,Sharjah cup, Natwest trophy, 2003 Finals,T20 World cup,CB Series,No1 Test status. Except for No1 status, most countries have similar achievements. But then we have 'SACHIN'.The best bastman ever(Only Bradman can contest). Most of his records will stay alive forever(If you are cricket fanatic, then u will know that most of them are impossible to break).A poll in australia twice this decade said Sachin is the current best player.Ponting was no-where near in those polls. Current and ex-crickets, commenattors, everyone alround the world praise him as the best. That makes me an Indian proud.He is like Dhyanchand of Cricket. He is like a Schumacher ,a Pele, a federer, a Tiger woods. 50 years from now, Indian cricket might become like our Hockey. Usa, Canada,Ireland,Afghanisthan might be top 4 teams.Your Grand children might not follow cricket, but they sure will be surprised and happy to hear that the best player, holder or most runs,centuries is an INDIAN. He is a phenomenon that happens once in a life time. I cherish a century from Sachin more than an Indian victory. This insight is just for Non-fanatics to weigh Team India achievments against Sachin's. Pakis with Indian names here and other morons with disgruntled lives who have to vent their frustration on someone, can keep trashin Sachin. Infact, its no fun without u guys.Sometimes ur comments make me laugh. Keep coming guys.
Got about 2000 abusive messages from indian fans on twitter....now he has vowed to figthback in capetown...One message was like this :@graemesmith49 U piece of cu*nt cannot take losing a match crying over UDRS?"
wonder if any of my freinds frmo this rediff board have contributed to this kind of idiotic shit?
Re: Re: Possible replacements for Great-3
by sumit jain on Dec 30, 2010 05:21 AM
Yes..Murali Vijay for sure is the front runner for permanent position.
Re: Re: Possible replacements for Great-3
by raja kumar on Dec 30, 2010 04:23 AM
We have seen Australia how bad they are looking after their key players depart. It will be the same for India. Tendulkar & VVS will be very much missed. It is better to bring youngster quickly in the squad. We have seen already Raina a wonderful batsman in the short form but failed miserably in test matches
Re: Re: Re: Possible replacements for Great-3
by venkat0704@rediffmail.com on Dec 30, 2010 09:29 AM
KOHLI IS THE RIGHT PERSON TO FILL IN THE PLACE OF DRAVID. ROHIT IS BETTER THAN SURESH RAINA. BECAUSE SURESH IS NOT GOOD IN SHORT PITCH DELIVERIES
Re: Possible replacements for Great-3
by sujith kumar on Dec 30, 2010 10:57 AM
U have missed me too....I am a grt cricket player...My name is Raj Kotla Babu
its shameful to speak against SRT, he has contributed indian cricket a lot and infact he has changed, there was so many matches he has won for us, in the first match only, he was highest scorer (36 and 100 not out), now its whose fault that he has to chase 500 plus runs? Lax did the same (38, 100) he got out at 96, what if SA scored those required 300 runs.. in the first place why our bowlers let them score 550 runs? if not sachns century would have given us some lead...
Re: not good
by priya on Dec 30, 2010 12:23 PM
Yes i agree with u . wt critics are forgetting is that Cricket is a team game giving roles to each Individual. Likewise Sehwag and Gambhi (openers)has the role to lay a strong foundation. Rahul, Sachin (Middle order) has the role to steady, stabilise and consolidate the inning. Laxman, Pujara (lower middle order) has the role of providing better finishes to above twos. Subsequently role changes according to the match situation. Wt is important is that team India is playing perfectly and leading their roles individually. The film "SHOLEY" was hit because every body played thier role perfeclty, b it amitabh, gabbar or sambha. On cannot say dharmendra was better than sanjev kumar, or jaya was better than hema.
Re: not good
by Harin Bhavsar on Dec 30, 2010 06:53 AM
Agree that such things should not be said about SRT but all these losers who talk shit about sachin is actually what motivates him to perform better and better. so ignore all losers!
Re: not good
by Prasad on Dec 30, 2010 10:42 AM
U r right. SRT is great and its really bad speaking against him. He is one of my fav batsman. The unfortunate thing is he fails when it requires the most. No wonder he is definitely a master batsman.
Re: not good
by valaparla swarup on Dec 30, 2010 10:11 AM
What is shameful ? To score runs and centuries which have not much to when the team in dire strats you fail.Agreed Sachin is genius but definitly a champion.He is destined to be that way.He is not holy cow . The champions are those when the team is dire staright you lead the asualt for improbable win or draw. We have so many champions Steve Waugh ,Lara ( he scored a century with only tail enders in company )to win against mightier tha mightiest at that poin of time australia,Micheal Bevan one day spacialiist in the recent times . India has produced a champion like that Vishwanath and now Laxman .They have championed the cause of the win when chips are really down .Why do people still talk about 281 because that has resurrected India from a sure destruction,of course Harbahajan has contibuted with the ball.They are all Champions they dared to battle when there is distruction all around with TRUE Grit. When you praise them it is not to belittle Sachin or Gavaskar.The statistic will reamain in histrory but heroic win live in our hearts You seemed to be mighy obsessed with Sachin ,that is your business but keep that with you There are other who we admire and that is our business .Dont write muck because this space is availble free
1) Stastics reveal that Gavaskar was the first man to score 10,000 runs. But does anyone, really annyonne, remember a good dominating innings by him. He was such a bore to watch.
2) Now in present generation, Statstics reveal Tendulkar is the higher run scorer ever. And Dhoni's avg in test cricket is really good. But what use are these averages?? Cricket is a team game. Either you win or you lose. If you lose then these stastical numbers are of no use.
3) In the first test match against Australia, while chasing, Tendulkar had the chance to make a partnership with Laxman and win the match for India. But he got out. And ultimately Laxman won the match for us with 11th batsman Ojha. Important thing is Laxman stood there till the end for all his worth.
4) Does anybody enjoy Dhoni's batting? His batting style is so poor. And today after he won the match he didnt even acknowledge Laxman's contribution.
Its time all of India accepts the fact that Laxman is the best batsman available in India. He should be promoted to No. 3, rather than always being left to bat with tailenders. Who knows we may get another 281 from him at No. 3.
Re: STASTICS & MORE STASTICS
by Angaj on Dec 30, 2010 04:12 AM
1. Gavaskars runs came against the best bowling attacks of that time..Windies, Australia England etc..and without a helmet. His highest score of 236 made against the west indies stood for a long time until Laxman broke it (nothing to take away from Sachin and i'm not a Gavaskar fan) 2. Statistics are required to earn your place in the team and to keep it. 3. If it was in his control, Tendulkar would never get out. Unfortunately that is not the case. Imagine Tendulkar with no average even after scoring 10000 runs because he never got out. And if I'm not wrong Laxman bats at no. 3 in Indian conditions and at 5 or 6 abroad. This may be a team strategy. Remember..Cricket is a team game. 4. Tell me honestly, din you enjoy Dhoni's 183 against Pakistan?? And for batting styles, remember Chanderpaul. He has been one of the thorns in the flesh for the Indians
Sachin, Sehawag, Dravid, Laxman, Yuvraj and few other International batsmen are all a joy to watch when they are in full swing. Just sit back and enjoy them bat.
Re: Re: STASTICS & MORE STASTICS
by venkat0704@rediffmail.com on Dec 30, 2010 09:34 AM
Just 1 or 2 innings doesn't make any difference. Constistent performance & that too winning in difficult situation so many times which is more important. Dhoni 183 is when u r talking about? 5 years before that is in one day match, my dear not in test match.
Re: Re: Re: STASTICS & MORE STASTICS
by sanjeev on Dec 30, 2010 09:55 AM
NO BODY CRITICISING MARK BOUTCHER,HE IS BIG FAILURE NOW FOR S.A POOR AVERAGE OF 30 IN TEST HADDIN,PRIOR,SANGA,DHONI,MCCULLUM ARE BETTER THAN HIM SO LEAVE DHONI ALONE HE IS WONDER CAPTAIN FOR INDIA NOT LOSED A SINGLE SERIES UNDER HIS CAPTAINCY BATTING AVG OF OVER 50 IN ODI CLOSE TO 40 NOW WHAT U DEMANDS MORE
Re: STASTICS & MORE STASTICS
by Against Pseudos on Dec 30, 2010 10:46 AM
Aditya:
3) In the Centurion test match Sachin did stand till the very end.... Laxman didn't... Moral of the story? Laxman can't bat? That would be YOUR logic. My logic is that both Sachin and Laxman are great batsmen. Period.
BTW, it is the tailenders who bat well, not Laxman... They don't, with Sachin, for some reason of their own.. ;-)
It is important to understand and implement the statistical tool of Standard Deviation while selecting the team.
Many a time we are faced with great players to choose from and the selection committees choose based on their records and somewhat suitability of technique.
But great captains like Mike Brearly choose teams, particularly batsmen based on Standard Deviation technique.
To win a test you dont need all your batsmen fire up but when you loose most of the times it is that all the batsmen collectively failed with not more than just one batsman succeeding.
But if you look carefully in test cricket, there are some batsmen who succeed when others fail though their averages are not very high.
Best example is GR Viswanath and Ian Botham.
Botham and GR Viswanath almost all the times succeeded when other batsmen collectively failed. These players averages are not above their peers say, like Sunil Gavaskar. Similarly, when Botham scores he scores very big and almost that knock alone sufficient for the team to win the match.
The important point is when you choose teams you should have those who succeed when other stalwarts fail.
VVS Laxman is like one.
VVS scores mostly when Sachin and Dravids fail. But this averages out and helps the team to win. If you look at VVSs average it is smaller than that of Sachin and Dravid, yet it is important to win matches.
When Sachin & Dravid scores, you dont need a VVS score but when they fail VVS too can
Re: Re: IMPORTANCE OF STANDARD DEVIATION TECHNIQUE!
by super hero on Dec 30, 2010 01:04 AM
@Kabeer: you say "The important point is when you choose teams you should have those who succeed when other stalwarts fail.
VVS Laxman is like one." Isnt it true then that Sachin and Dravid score when VVS fails? Also given that VVS avg is less and he scores mostly when Sachin and Dravid fail, then it implies that S & D also score mostly when VVS fails.
Re: IMPORTANCE OF STANDARD DEVIATION TECHNIQUE!
by ajay gole on Dec 30, 2010 01:22 AM
Why dont you apply standard deviation to your head, so that it will make sense.
This is to all Indian cricketer fans,i am a big fan of team India,but if you all are a true team India's lover than you will agree with my views. We all witnessed today that India won the test match without sachin's contribution.India won only because of. 1. S srisanth hostile stuff 2. Bahjee's wicket taking ability 3. Zaheer khans intelligence and support for other Indian fast bowlers and last not the least 4.because of very very special laxman. saweag,laxman, zaheer's and bajees contribution helped india winning most of the matches at home and in overseas.
I haven't seen any sachin's knock, which helped team india may be only in league matches but during crunch situations he always fails.
I am not against sachin but he never lived up to expectations when required.If india wins this series it will be remembered for a complete team effort.
not for sachin's 50 ton which failed to save the test match at least.Sachin has to make a mark before he retires and that opportunity is in the world cup.I beg sachin to help team india for lifting
the world cup forgetting about his own personal milestones.If he does then he can shut all X foreign cricketers who think scahin is not greater than don bradman.
Re: Sachin a cricketer or a records machine
by kapil siddhu on Dec 29, 2010 11:30 PM
ajaz, i read this n its for people like u
SEE THE STATS BELOW & TALK.
VICTORY UNDER DHONI'S CAPTAINCY
t20 world cup ,
WON THE TEST AGAINST ENGLAND AFTER MUMBAI TERROR ATTACK CHASING 380 (SACHIN SCORED HUNDRED)
triangular series in australia 1st time ever, - (SACHIN MAN OF BOTH THE FINALS)
one day series in srilanka - 1st time ever,
singer cup in srilanka - 1st time ever, (SACHIN MAN OF THE FINALS)
drawn test series in srilanka - 1st time in 15 years, (SACHIN HALF CENTURY & LAXMAN CENTURY IN 4TH INNINGS)
test series win in newzealand - 1st time ever, (SACHIN CENTURY IN THE WINNING TEST)
one day series in newzealand - 1st time ever, (SACHIN 165 IN ONE OF THE MATCHES)
white wash for australia at home - 1st time ever, (SACHIN MAN OF THE MATCH & MAN OF THE SERIES IN THE FINAL MATCH)
now south africa test series win or draw - 1st time ever.
IN THE ABOVE TEN IMPORTANT FINALS, SACHIN SCORED HUNDRED IN SEVEN OF THEM. BUT PEOPLE SAY SACHIN IS NOT PLAYING WHEN TEAM REQUIRES. I DO NOT KNOW WHY ARE THEY
u cnt celebrate team's victory without criticizing SACHIN, such a poor n pathetic soul u r
Re: Sachin a cricketer or a records machine
by Praveen Kumar on Dec 29, 2010 11:51 PM
I respect team India but can tell you one thing, keep your stupid views to yourself. Sachin has nothing to prove to anyone, especially a nobody like you.
Re: Sachin a cricketer or a records machine
by kapil siddhu on Dec 29, 2010 11:30 PM
ajaz, i read this n its for people like u
SEE THE STATS BELOW & TALK.
VICTORY UNDER DHONI'S CAPTAINCY
t20 world cup ,
WON THE TEST AGAINST ENGLAND AFTER MUMBAI TERROR ATTACK CHASING 380 (SACHIN SCORED HUNDRED)
triangular series in australia 1st time ever, - (SACHIN MAN OF BOTH THE FINALS)
one day series in srilanka - 1st time ever,
singer cup in srilanka - 1st time ever, (SACHIN MAN OF THE FINALS)
drawn test series in srilanka - 1st time in 15 years, (SACHIN HALF CENTURY & LAXMAN CENTURY IN 4TH INNINGS)
test series win in newzealand - 1st time ever, (SACHIN CENTURY IN THE WINNING TEST)
one day series in newzealand - 1st time ever, (SACHIN 165 IN ONE OF THE MATCHES)
white wash for australia at home - 1st time ever, (SACHIN MAN OF THE MATCH & MAN OF THE SERIES IN THE FINAL MATCH)
now south africa test series win or draw - 1st time ever.
IN THE ABOVE TEN IMPORTANT FINALS, SACHIN SCORED HUNDRED IN SEVEN OF THEM. BUT PEOPLE SAY SACHIN IS NOT PLAYING WHEN TEAM REQUIRES. I DO NOT KNOW WHY ARE THEY
u cnt celebrate team's victory without criticizing SACHIN, such a poor n pathetic soul u r
Re: Sachin a cricketer or a records machine
by v b on Dec 29, 2010 11:27 PM
Cricket is a team effort. Like you mentioned 4 points above, all the players should contribute.
Most of the people writing comments are praising or criticising one player or other. Why dont you understand that in other way you are creating a division among the players and a rift within the team ? Who asked you to write that VVS is great, Sachin used to be great .. ?? What is the need for all these biased/personal comments. You could comment in a positive manner rather than creating differences
Re: Why are you people all dividing India ?
by Anil Gupta on Dec 30, 2010 12:10 AM
I respect your view, but do you think these individual opinions can create rift in a team and players are bothered about these things? If they have such a low esteem they are not worthy of playing for India or any National team. Criticism actually helps players to perform well and keep their feet on the ground.
sachin laxman dravid ............ what will happen to indian team if these three legends retire ...... i am telling this because they turned 37 36 37 respectively ..... today india is in number 1 postion because of these people....... ofcource we cannot zaheer and harbajan ........... all the best to indian team in cape town
Re: hats off v v s laxman
by v b on Dec 29, 2010 11:30 PM
I agree.
Our fellow rediff users suggesting Laxman to take up Captaincy (Not sure why), and he should join One Days (Again not sure, what actually they are looking for)
Re: Re: hats off v v s laxman
by yadvendra dixit on Dec 29, 2010 11:41 PM
laxman plays under pressure .take the team to win .he is truely a team player.we can say this to harbhajan also .he is also a true team player.both the player were underestimated due to sahwag sachin .see the records when india was in trouble.vvs and bhajji played well to win whether it is test match or one day match
The ball hit the pad very far from the stump, before the bounce of the ball could be judged. Under this circumstance the umpire is obliged to declere him out. Hawk eye is just a simulation, it's not the real case.
