hey guys i m watching cricket constantly frm 1998...i remember all d statstics of cricket since then as it z my passion.. kumble 132 test 619 wickets bhajji 85 test 357 wickets kumble 5 wickets 32 times bhajji 24 times kumble 10 wickets 8 times bhajji 5 times average almost identical kumble best 10/74 bhajji 8/84 and 7/133 kumble strike rate 66 bhajji 67
Lets take a look at all great bowlers Sachin has played throughout his career, to name
a few 1 - Glen McGrath 2 - Shane Warne 3 - Jason Gellipse 4 - Brett Lee 5 - Allan Donald 6 - Shaun Pollock 7 - Waquar 8 - Wasim 9 - SaqLain 10 - Walsh 11 - Ambrose 12 - Murlitharan 13 - Vaas 14 - Shane Bond 15 - Daneil Vittori 16 - Shoab Akhtar
Also, lets take a look at all great bowlers Ricky has played throughout his carrier, to
name a few 1 - Srinath 2 - Anil Kumble 3 - Harbhajn Singh 4 - Zaheer Khan 5 - Allan Donald 6 - Shaun Pollock 7 - Waquar 8 - Wasim 9 - SaqLain 10 - Walsh 11 - Ambrose 12 - Murlitharan 13 - Vaas 14 - Shane Bond 15 - Daneil Vittori 16 - Shoab Akhtar
And we can see the difference; Ponting has the privilege of never facing top aussie bowlers at international level, where as Sachin made runs against them when they were in their prime and during Aust dominance era. As far a Ponting winning more WC then Sachin, SO its a team tht wins a Cup not individuals in cricket. Where ever I see people comparing between Sachin and Ponting, these things should always be considered. Alos, before Sehwag and Ghambir, I India never had a stable opening pair for tests during Sachin's hay days, he and dravid most of the time come to bat early when bowlers were at the top and Idian has lost 2/3 wickets.
Re: Sachin vs Ricky
by Giridhar on Aug 03, 2010 01:31 AM
you could have simply said that Ponting didn't have to face Aussies. Why such big list and simple conclusion?
Re: Sachin vs Ricky
by Sameer on Aug 03, 2010 07:19 AM
Srinath, zaheer , Harbhajan are Great bowlers ? when did that happen ? I know one series Habhajan had pontings number, but besides that 1 series, i don't think harbhajan had the same effect on ponting.
Re: Re: Sachin vs Ricky
by bishadratna on Aug 03, 2010 09:24 AM
hey guys i m watching cricket constantly frm 1998...i remember all d statstics of cricket since then as it z my passion.. kumble 132 test 619 wickets bhajji 85 test 357 wickets kumble 5 wickets 32 times bhajji 24 times kumble 10 wickets 8 times bhajji 5 times average almost identical kumble best 10/74 bhajji 8/84 and 7/133 kumble strike rate 66 bhajji 67
Re: joker is playing on flat tracks for long time dats y he is at
by Rohit Madan on Aug 02, 2010 05:10 PM
hahah...abe tu piss kar apni pants mein...i think u forget sachin's 241 and 150 against aussies... a match winning chasing century and 91 againt vb series final..against aussies...
Re: Re: joker is playing on flat tracks for long time dats y he i
by Sameer on Aug 02, 2010 05:24 PM
he has short term memory loss. I think he saw ghajani too many times and has got non-sense tatooes on his body. hence everytime he comes with the same dialogue inspite of being proved wrong everytime.
Re: joker is playing on flat tracks for long time dats y he is at
by Rohit Madan on Aug 02, 2010 05:11 PM
sehwag's match saving 151 in adelaide...against aus...now piss yar...tiyachut
Re: joker is playing on flat tracks for long time dats y he is at
by Rohit Madan on Aug 02, 2010 05:12 PM
sehwag's 195 in melbourne...u again piss...hahahaha....
Both of this players are great batsman for sure.Sachin is technically little better than Ricky. Ricky has won 3 world cup for his team and he is still captain.This might be the reason Sachin is performing better than him. Sachin is older than Ricky but he looks much younger. Sachin is playing without extra pressure. He is just playing his game whereas Ricky can't do that. May be Ricky would have been scoring more runs if he was not the Captain. After their retirement Ppl will know Sachin as a better batsman because of his record and technique but we all know Ricky has won more for his country. Some will say Sachin is always under pressure but India always have better batting line up and better spinners in the team. So ppl will decide.....
Re: sach
by Sameer on Aug 02, 2010 03:47 PM
Ricky has won more for his country because the 10 players in his team always make it count. All 2 world cups that ponting has won had warne, gilchrist and mcgrath in it.
Did the indian team at any point of time have a competent bowling lineup or a competent wicketkeeper batsman like Gilchrist and a competent fielding unit like aussies.
There lies your answer.
Go figure.
And lol for playing without pressure. He has played on pressure , a billion hopes and expectations --yeah thats not pressure right ? Just a FYI ever since Mc grath/ Warne/ Gilchrist retired, pontings performance with the bat has waned.
Last 2 years his avg in tests is 41. You know why its 41 ? Good amount of it is due to pressure.
Re: Re: sach
by bishadratna on Aug 03, 2010 08:57 AM
thats true dude..thats why after warne and macgrath now aussie has sliped 2 no 3 ranking in test with some 30 points less than what they hd 3 years ago..
Re: Re: sach
by S Shrikanth on Aug 02, 2010 03:58 PM
Personal records matter only in India, Pak, SL and Bangladesh. Thats why Tendulkar refused to captain Indian cricket team because captaincy badly hurt his individual performance. Also, in this subcontinent, the captain is solely held responsible for team's failure, but the individual performers get rewarded when team succeeds. Tendulkar knew it very well, so decided to play as individual performer, not captain.
Ponting has severe captaincy pressures, so his batting is affected. But his team is performing, they drubbed India twice by 4-2 in the last 3 years on their home ground. Also, he led Australia to win ICC CT 2009.
Re: Re: Re: sach
by Sameer on Aug 02, 2010 04:11 PM
See not everyone can be a captain , and not everyone can be a good captain. I think Tendy believed he will not be the best captain the team needs, and thats why he resigned from captaincy even before the SA series. What has been said is tendy somehow couldn't understand his bowlers very well ( from a performance point of view)
You also conveniently left this matter that for most part of his career, the sucess of indian team depended solely on tendy. So you have 10 players depending on tendy on field and a billion people depending on tendy off field.
People used to turn off the TV sets once tendy got out, thats how bad it was. Ponting never had to contend with all that.
He inherited a great team from steve waugh, that compromised of the best bowling unit , combined with a very solid batting unit, with a great wicketkeeper batsman and a very solid fielding unit.
With such a team, there is no pressure -- DON'T you get it ? If your batting fails , you have hope on your bolwing /fielding. If your bowling fails , you still have hope on a solid batting lineup.
With india, its only batting. If batting clicks and bowlers do a good job , we have chance of a positive result. And Batting relied a lot on Tendy.
Re: Re: Re: sach
by Sameer on Aug 02, 2010 04:16 PM
Also Shrikanth, would you stop being stupid if you get to see Ponting say " it would be great if sachin retires quick"
Re: Re: Re: sach
by naveen dhanerwal on Aug 02, 2010 04:21 PM
Sachin did captained India both in tests and ODI would you mind to check his records that time and also compare it with other Indian bowlers and batsmen as well? Check how other's performances got down in his tenure; yet Sachin avgd better than all. He resigned as a captain because he though he's not the right choise and suggested Ganguly for it. ...and do you remember it was when Azhar and jadeja (fixer) were in the team? Who knows how many matches he could have been won if they had played for India (of course they (Azhar & Jadeja)didn't play! Sachin gave his 100 % whoever was the captain but didn't get the same when he was captaining India. Punter, on the other hand got the best support from some of the bests in the format; likes of Warne, Macgrath, Gilly, Hayden, Lee 7 com. Check their records they will tell you the story behind Punter's success. Macgrath and Warne were the best bowlers and punter never faced them!
Re: Re: Re: Re: sach
by naveen dhanerwal on Aug 02, 2010 04:25 PM
agreed with Sameer and the best example is that without Punter's great contribution Aussies are still wining the matches. they have the bowling attack that can defend a total less then 200 in both tests and ODI's. They have the batsmen who can chase any total (remember the match in t-20 world cup when some 55 were needed in just 3 overs and Hussey won that for them in just 16 balls!
Re: sach
by shashi sharma on Aug 02, 2010 05:38 PM
Lets take a look at all great bowlers Sachin has played throughout his career, to name
a few 1 - Glen McGrath 2 - Shane Warne 3 - Jason Gellipse 4 - Brett Lee 5 - Allan Donald 6 - Shaun Pollock 7 - Waquar 8 - Wasim 9 - SaqLain 10 - Walsh 11 - Ambrose 12 - Murlitharan 13 - Vaas 14 - Shane Bond 15 - Daneil Vittori 16 - Shoab Akhtar
Also, lets take a look at all great bowlers Ricky has played throughout his carrier, to
name a few 1 - Srinath 2 - Anil Kumble 3 - Harbhajn Singh 4 - Zaheer Khan 5 - Allan Donald 6 - Shaun Pollock 7 - Waquar 8 - Wasim 9 - SaqLain 10 - Walsh 11 - Ambrose 12 - Murlitharan 13 - Vaas 14 - Shane Bond 15 - Daneil Vittori 16 - Shoab Akhtar
And we can see the difference; Ponting has the privilege on never facing top aussie bowlers at international level, where as Sachin made runs against them when they were in their prime and during Aust dominance era. As far a Ponting winning more WC then Sachin, SO its a team tht wins a Cup and individuals in cricket. Where ever I see people comparing between Sachin and Ponting, these things should always be considered.
Sehwag has always taken away games many a times from opposition by his sheer strike rate.......
he is true hero who plays for team first whereas many in Indian team may have great personal record but they have hardly converted that to teams advantage........
Sehwag is truely unselfish and devastating player....
Re: Seghwag for me is true match winner and hero for Indian crick
by thagadappa on Aug 02, 2010 01:42 PM
VERY VERY TRUE. Viru is the real hero for the indian team. Very humble and under rated batsman. With out him, indian will have nervous start and collapse quickly. The later batsmen capitalize on the quick score by Viru and play slowly for temselves and records. they don't care for the results.
Re: Seghwag for me is true match winner and hero for Indian crick
by Sameer on Aug 02, 2010 03:48 PM
So Someone who plays a blazing inning is playing for the country and someone who is not , is not playing for the country ? -- in test terms that is ?
Re: Re: Seghwag for me is true match winner and hero for Indian c
by India on Aug 02, 2010 04:03 PM
India's winning record in test has been more than 50 % in last 10 years i.e.from 2000 onward when match winners like Sehewag,Yuvi,Harbhajan emerged.............
before that India was winning not more than 30-35% test..............
The so called best in that era was 37% under match fixer Azhar .......
Re: Re: Re: Seghwag for me is true match winner and hero for Indi
by Sameer on Aug 02, 2010 04:14 PM
hmmm the 90's was basically a 2 man show compromising of tendy in batting dept and kumble in bowling dept.
Yuvraj wasn't even in the test team until 2007, and he hasn't done incredible in tests either.
Harbhajan had 1 memorable home series , after which his effectiveness went down and his average is now in the 32 region.
I am talking from tests point of view , by the way.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Seghwag for me is true match winner and hero for
by bishadratna on Aug 03, 2010 08:54 AM
harbhajan just one memorable home series??????? r u talking about aus tour in 2001 where he picked up 32 wickets??? then what about sa tour in 2008. a drawn series where he picked up 20 wicket 2 get man of d series.
Re: Team for tringular series........
by Guest on Aug 02, 2010 11:00 AM
Selectors have done good in picking Karthik. Whats the need for vinay kumar, there are plenty of bowlers in the team and also vinay is just a mediocre paced bowler who cant extract much bounce also due to his height. D.karthik will make a good opener and you cant expect a bowler for a batsman.
Re: Team for tringular series........
by satish chandar on Aug 02, 2010 01:55 PM
V Kumar should have been a must in the team.. He performed far far better than Dinda in the Zim tour.. But due to some reason, he is being ignored by selection comitttee..
I think Karthik is a must especially with Sachin rested.. He had been the replacement for any opener in recent times and is going it to satisfactory levels.. Not sure whether Uthappa is fit now or not!!
Re: Re: Team for tringular series........
by Anurag Rathore on Aug 02, 2010 03:30 PM
Actually India will hardly change batting combination. But one bowler will change in almost each match. V.Kohli can do opening with Sehwag.
