What dhoni said is right. Vettori and shane watson could contrubute with bat.That is one of the reasons their teams are in final. But frankly our bowlers who played in CT except perhaps Nehra and Praveen kumar are suitable only for test cticket. Half the team was not cut for Limited overs cricket. We must pick players who are good in two depts of the game and persist with them for some time regardless of results. Only them can a team evolve into a winning combination.
Re: Bowlers should bat a bit
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 12:29 PM
Exactly but why we dropped Irfan Pathan who bowls and bat both and a very good fielder (much better than Yusuf Pathan). Irfan has batted in opening, one down, 5,6, 7 numbers and done really well. Praveen is kept out of the team most of the time unnecessarily, he can bat a bit but he needs alteast some security of his place. He should be promoted and given some opportunity.
Re: Re: Bowlers should bat a bit
by GODAVARTI RAmesh on Oct 04, 2009 12:57 PM
Irfan's bowling has lost sting and was ineffective totally before being dropped. He can bat a bit. Now we hear he is injured too. Piyush chawla's case is also similar. He can bat a bit and is a smart fielder. But his bowling too had gone awry.
Re: Re: Re: Bowlers should bat a bit
by sanath on Oct 04, 2009 01:26 PM
Ramesh, Irfan's bowling has lost sting, so then what about Ishant or RP ? where is the sting in their bowling ? Irfan can at least bat decently..in fact far better than his brother...I think Dhoni shud have opted for Irfan in place of Yusuf and it would have made a big difference
Re: Re: Bowlers should bat a bit
by Cool Mahesh on Oct 04, 2009 12:42 PM
This is because Ishant Sharma has to be selected irrespective of his poor form. Sab Politics hai bhai !!!!!!
Re: Re: Bowlers should bat a bit
by tanmoy on Oct 04, 2009 12:45 PM
@Hiral, because they r not dhoni's frd like RP Singh....Praveen kumar is mush better bowler than RP in ODI's....... And in batting yousuf is like another afridi,but he cant bowl like afridi who is much better bowler
Re: PAKISTAN_THE_BEST_TEAM_IN_WORLD
by ishwer on Oct 04, 2009 12:37 PM
There is no doubt Pakistan cricket team is wonderful.But as cricket is game of BALL. India plays with own balls I mean Tatta,s where as Pakistan with extra balls , means tatta,s of America and Englang where bread , bat , ball are4 all donated from extra Tatta,s. That is the difference in between India and Pakistan. Otherwis Pakistant team is good
Re: PAKISTAN_THE_BEST_TEAM_IN_WORLD
by Pradeep Mukherjee on Oct 04, 2009 12:23 PM
NO STILL INDIA IS THE BEST TEAM IN THE WORLD.EAST OR WEST INDIA IS THE BEST.
Re: PAKISTAN_THE_BEST_TEAM_IN_WORLD
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 12:22 PM
And still they couldnt beat a team like Newzealand lol. India has reached Final of champions trophy twice and shared the championship once. While Pakistan is utter failure.
Just see vettori...he bats,he bowls,he fields,he leads and he does everything wat a leader can do...dhoni is only lucky where as vettori is talented,hard-working but not as lucky as dhoni to have team members like sehwag,yuvraj,sachin,gambhir all match winners...how many match winners nz have only few like captain,ross taylor or may be one more.....dhoni is never a talented captain he is a lucky captain
Re: who said dhoni is best
by SriramSrinivasan on Oct 04, 2009 01:13 PM
No you are wrong Bhanu prakash because last 8 match with NL India had won 7 matches.Then who is better captain Dhoni or Vettori.yes we loss the match against Pakistan.with that match we cant say India is worst team and Dhoni is worst captain.After Ganguly for me Dhoni is the best for India.Then many people say India win matches by luck thats not true.In T20 we win against pakistan is not luck.We had taken 10 wickets of pakistan.Its problem with indian cricket fans if india wins the matches they will keep them as a god.If India loss they will tell that previous match win is just luck.Pleas see the match as a sport.Any one can win it if we win be happy.If we loss dont think that our country pride is gone.Its not in cricket.Its within as.
Re: who said dhoni is best
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 12:10 PM
Vettori fielded bad FYI. I guess to save himself from injuries he avoided easy dives in yesterday's match. Otherwise his captaincy, bowling, field placements and batting were awesome.
Re: Re: who said dhoni is best
by Cool Mahesh on Oct 04, 2009 12:21 PM
Every Indian captain tilldate has been lucky. They are all overhyped after one or two series wins. None can match the consistency of Clive Lloyd, Steve Waugh or Ricky Ponting.
Re: Re: Re: who said dhoni is best
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 12:26 PM
You are right. Dhoni showed initially certain qualities to earn respect but lately he is mediocre on the field, evasive in press conferences and not good in dealing with other star players like Sehwag, Yuvi, Bhajji etc.
Re: Re: Re: Re: who said dhoni is best
by Cool Mahesh on Oct 04, 2009 12:29 PM
Every Indian captain till date (Kapil Dev, Gavaskar, Azharuddin, Ganguly, Dhoni) has been lucky. They are all overhyped after one or two series wins. None can match the consistency of Clive Lloyd, Steve Waugh or Ricky Ponting.
Re: Re: Re: Re: who said dhoni is best
by Cool Mahesh on Oct 04, 2009 12:28 PM
Every Indian captain till date (Kapil Dev, Gavaskar, Azharuddin, Ganguly, Dhoni) has been lucky. They are all overhyped after one or two series wins. None can match the consistency of Clive Lloyd, Steve Waugh or Ricky Ponting.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: who said dhoni is best
by Cool Mahesh on Oct 04, 2009 01:43 PM
As they say, the captain is as good as the team. WI (not today's team) and Aus are far far better team than any team of their times.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: who said dhoni is best
by sanjay sawant on Oct 04, 2009 01:21 PM
Thats right,but these captains were supported by the star players of that time.WI and AUS captains were lucky,
In each game one has to win and other has to loose. here NS vs Pak some people supported Pak, because they are our neighbours, and it is better neighbour to take cup against white remote people ? Is it bad? After all supporting a team is an individual choice and the good team must be winning team everywhere. Where as if PAK/INDIA match , it is a birth right of all indian to support India only because India is our mother country. Dont mix politics in sports.But SOME Stupid people never understand the facts.
Re: Reality??
by Bingo on Oct 04, 2009 12:10 PM
My _dear friend in todays era all games are played like war not with true spirit of game even in football supporter's get in clash with each other. If you went in past what Miandad done with More in WC 1992.What Amir Sohail had done with Venkatesh Prasad , it is always started by Pakistani's don't expect it from indian's now days of RAMA Rajya had gone past..
Re: Reality??
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 12:08 PM
What Neighbour? This Neighbour is not worth of any respect or compassion, rather those remote countries do not harm our mother land by any means. It is stupidity to overlook the ground realities between Indo-Pak relationship while making mind.
Re: Re: Reality??
by Cool Mahesh on Oct 04, 2009 12:12 PM
What logic is this rama. That neighbour is planning to divide India and you are supporting them. Really pathetic of you. I pray that Pakistan does not win a single tournament.
Re: Re: Re: Reality??
by Cool Mahesh on Oct 04, 2009 12:17 PM
No matter against which team Pak plays, I support the other team and never Pakistan. All this talk about neighbours is crap.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Reality??
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 12:23 PM
I support you. Pakistan doesnt deserve goodwill of Indians for any thing be it sports or any other field.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Reality??
by Pinglay Chandrasekhar on Oct 04, 2009 02:26 PM
We shouldnt have played our game against Pakistan . It is like condoning 26/11
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Reality??
by sanjay sawant on Oct 04, 2009 01:16 PM
Pak plays with india like a war dat spirit doesnt found in our playrs. like yesterday odi they were happy as they defeated India .for them this was a aim.least to express abt Pak.
Say Australia, S Africa, Sri Lanka Pakistan and New Zealand are going to bat first against India's bowling attack... I am sure that most of us would expect 3or4 out of the 5 teams to score over 300....this is what makes Indians sad about their cricket team. They can never be happy. Shane Watson (Australia's 4th bowler) bowls at 137 kmph and scores a century... Praveen Kumar bowls at 127 kmph and scores a zero.... Indians win a match only when their batsmen bat like mad men and get the runs... not a very professional way..
Re: Indians do not trust their bowlers!!
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 12:03 PM
I dont see pace as the quality of bowling. What is required is accuracy in line and length according to field set. And supportive fielding. But we miss both. Even though our bowlers try hard our fielders drop catches and let them down. None including wicket keeper could hit the stump to get runouts. McGrath in his career rarely touched 140 KPH and remained at 132-135. Praveen Kumar at 127 KPH took 2 wickets in the first match he played after a gap of 5 ODIs or more. So your arguements seem vague.
Re: Most_members_of_pak_tolerable.
by hiral joshi on Oct 04, 2009 11:59 AM
You are right. Good Pakistani players are Yunis Khan, Umar Gul, Tanvir, even Shoaib Akhtar was aggressive on ground but off the field was very friendly towards Indians.
Re: Re: Most_members_of_pak_tolerable.
by Dhantannan on Oct 04, 2009 12:01 PM
a_cousin_of_afridi_was_terrorist killed_by_indian_army_in_kashmir same_terrorist_blood_in_afridi
