Re: ponting is greater then sachin
by saurabh on Nov 17, 2009 09:06 AM
chek out urself... still more people wud like to be Tendulkar rather than Ponting .. may be even Ponting.. :)
Re: ponting is greater then sachin
by Sameer Kane on Nov 17, 2009 06:08 AM
one person cannot win a world cup..idiot.the australian team is a well knit team...much better than the indian at any given time.however if you compare Sachin with that weakling ponting...ponting is ..nowhere.He is one of the most dishonest,manipulating cricketer who also has a dubious "off field" track record .check ur facts dude.and by the way...there is no one in the cricket world that u can compare with Sachin..coz he has a class of his own.
Re: Re: ponting is greater then sachin
by Against Pseudo on Nov 17, 2009 09:34 AM
VERY SAD TO HEAR THAT UCHIN ODOLKER COULDNT EVEN GET A RECEIPT FOR ANY WC CUP OR ANY OTHER MAJOR CUPS :)
Re: ponting is greater then sachin
by km vb on Nov 17, 2009 10:04 AM
Sachin like a statistician who feeds records and keeps records of all aspects but not a match winner.
Re: ye Greatest Greatest kya hai?
by Malai Peda on Nov 17, 2009 03:35 AM
You are right. However what one opposes is that people go overboard with their hype about the man and about cricket in general. Hence it is necessary to bring back other sports into their right global perspective. Therefore the comparison.
We must recognize that India is in a serious danger of becoming a 1-sport desert. And with IPL, cricket itself will soon become more tamasha than sport, if it isn't already. The truth is that we are a nation of spectators not sportsmen. And cricket serves that purpose very well.
This guy had a one stock delivery commin into the righ handers. Nvr learnt the slower ones and his other budyy - Venky nvr learnt to bowl a fast bowl. Together these two wud eat sambhar rice in the dressing room and dish out lollies to the opposition team. I still remember the helpless expression Sree would make after hitting for a boundry. Terrible looser!
Re: Sheeee-nath
by Praveen Rai on Nov 17, 2009 02:40 AM
Look in the mirror before you make such comments. It takes talent, hardwork, determination to play int'l cricket. So, please start being so judgmental.
Srinath is another chamcha and doesn't know what to say?. Sachin made number of Individual records , but team lost number of occassions . Team never win even one world cup during the 20 years stint.
Re: Greatest selfish player in Asia
by Arun on Nov 17, 2009 02:57 AM
For a team to WIN, there should be enough contribution from all the team members.Not all the the times a single memeber make your team and no individual alone can make the team win all the times.
Re: Re: Greatest selfish player in Asia
by syed siddiq on Nov 17, 2009 03:21 AM
Sachin could have done some thing different and get India world instead of creating his own records!!
Re: Re: Greatest selfish player in Asia
by suresh R on Nov 17, 2009 06:22 AM
Agreed that everytime he cant play a big innings. But why does he fail in almost all the crucial innings. There is another record of sachin tendulkar. Between 2000 and 2008 india has reached 10 finals and he has managed to score just one century and in all the other matches he has got out less for less then 15. That says it.
Re: we are all obsessed with superlatives
by Kalinga Putra on Nov 17, 2009 02:24 AM
Because he has earned it.What's the need to call Bradman the greatest ever batsman, as Aussies always do??
Re: Re: we are all obsessed with superlatives
by Ashish Kanekar on Nov 17, 2009 05:56 AM
Bradman averages 99.96 in tests and 90 in first class cricket. No one else is in the same zip code as him so the Aussies praise him despite having other noteworthy cricketers like Trumper, Lindwall, Lillee, McGrath etc and other sportsmen like olympic multi gold medallist swimmers etc.
To Srinath and everybody else: stop being frogs in the well and look at the world outside.
While playing 20 years of international cricket is certainly a big achievement, to call Tendulkar the greatest ever Asian sportsperson is a joke. He is not even the greatest in India.
Anand is head and shoulders above every other Indian sportsperson. In team sports, Dhyan Chand won 3 Olympic golds and missed winning 2 more because the Olympics were not held due to World War II. That's 20 years as the greatest hockey player ever.
In Asia, apart from the Khans of squash, the Korean archers and the Chinese gymnasts & table-tennis players, here are a few others: Rudy Hartono (Indonesia) - badminton. 8 times All-England Champion, the greatest badminton player of all time. Hossein Rezazadeh (Iran) - weightlifting (superheavy). 4 times world championship gold and 2 times Olympic gold, the strongest man in the world. Hitoshi Saito and Yasuhiro Yamashita (Japan) - judo. Both multiple Olympic gold and world championship winners, all-time great judokas. Fu Mingxia and Guo Jingjing (China) - diving. both multiple Olympic gold medalists.
Btw, the great CK Nayudu was already 37 years old when India first played test cricket in 1932. And he was good enough to play Ranji Trophy for 40 years from 1916 to 1956, till the age of 62.
Re: Pathetic
by tanmoy on Nov 17, 2009 01:49 AM
@malai Peda, rightly said.......undoubtedly sachin is the greatest batsman ever in the world,but to call him greatest sportsperson of Asia is a joke....even in India Anand will be the greatest sportsperson ever born in India
Re: Re: Pathetic
by Malai Peda on Nov 17, 2009 02:38 AM
@tanmoy, Tendulkar is one of the all-time greats, but I wouldn't call him the greatest ever. There is a difference of heaven and earth between Bradman and all the others, as far as batting average and centuries (29 100s in just 52 tests) are concerned, that too on uncovered pitches and with inferior protection. Just look at the bats these days. I will also point out that Gavaskar for one, had to face much better quality bowling, that too as a test opener. During the time he played, no triple century was ever scored by anyone in the world from 1974 onwards - till the arrival of the helmet. That itself should make the picture clear.
No doubt Tendulkar is a cricketing legend, but he dominates the public mind over everybody else, because the public mind sees a combination of 1-day and test cricket without differentiation. If we are strictly speaking of test cricket, then I would put Dravid level with Tendulkar, and Gavaskar above both of them. Opening the batting on the first morning of a test match is the ultimate test of a cricketer. Of course, in 1-day cricket Tendulkar is the greatest ever.
Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by tanmoy on Nov 17, 2009 02:43 AM
@malai, I would not want to comment on bradman,bcoz I had not seen him batting.....but tendulkar is better than gavaskar at any day...agrees,gavaskar had faced much better quality batting,but keeping in mind both ODI and test I would rate tendulkar the greatest,bcoz no one can match tendulkar's record in ODI.... if u only talk abt test,I think lara is slightly better than sachin....but when we compare two forms no one is better than sachin
Re: Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by Malai Peda on Nov 17, 2009 03:04 AM
Sure, if you take both forms of cricket together, Tendulkar is ahead of everyone else. But 1-day cricket is loaded in favour of batsmen with field restrictions and the best bowler can't bowl more than 10 overs. Before saying that Tendulkar is better than Gavaskar in test matches, I would like to see Tendulkar open in test cricket without wearing a helmet. The smaller the duration of cricket matches, the lesser is the skill and temperament level required. In 20-20 cricket Sehwag is better than Tendulkar, and in a 1-over tie-breaker Yusuf Pathan is better than any of the above. That does not mean they are greater batsmen in the game of cricket.
Anyway, people who played cricket before the arrival of non-stop TV coverage will always be at a disadvantage in public memory. And in India, the same factor applies to non-cricket sports.
Re: Re: Pathetic
by Kalinga Putra on Nov 17, 2009 02:29 AM
Anand is certainly one of the greatest, but he was no match to Kasparov.We all know that.Sachin is better than every one.Hence he is the greatest.
Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by tanmoy on Nov 17, 2009 02:34 AM
what a logic.....ha ha ha ha.............kalinga here we r talking abt all sports not cricket....certainly sachin is greatest batsman ever,but anand is greatest sportsperson ever born in India,bcoz he was the true world champion he won many times which sachin didnot and will never win it
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by Malai Peda on Nov 17, 2009 04:53 AM
@speculator If your comparison is with FIDE *RATED* chess players, then you should only consider first-class cricketers which would number only about a 1000 in India (about 40 cricketers each in 25 teams) and about 3000 worldwide. Ok, double the figure by including junior cricketers and add another 10,000 more by adding middle-level club cricketers. Still there is no comparison with chess worldwide.
If there are not sufficient chess players in India where the game originated, that is entirely our tragedy and our loss. When in the total global perspective cricket is nowhere close to chess, why should the numbers in India matter to the argument? If only a few hundred people play tennis in Switzerland compared to tens of thousands of Swiss people who play football, will you say that the best Swiss footballer is greater than Federer?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by Malai Peda on Nov 17, 2009 04:31 PM
@Kalinga, that is exactly what I am NOT saying. Read carefully. I am only referring to *rated* chess players as compared to first-class cricketers **worldwide**, not in India. And I am not referring to gully-cricketers.
As far as India is concerned, read again - I have stated there are not sufficient chess players in India, which is unfortunate. Your argument is invalid. Chess is a global sport, whereas among the sporting superpowers only Australia plays cricket. The US, Russia, China and Germany do not play cricket. So what if Vishy was second to Kasparov. Tendulkar is not even the best cricketer, leave alone all sports. He is only the best in one aspect of the game (batting), in one form of the game (1-day cricket) only.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by Malai Peda on Nov 17, 2009 03:21 AM
So you are saying that being the greatest in half a sport (just batting and not bowling) in a game played by just a handful of countries, is superior to being a world no.2 in a game played all over the world? There are over 1 lakh current FIDE rated chess players in the whole world. Even a top-10 achievement in chess would be a bigger achievement to being the best batsman in the world.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by Malai Peda on Nov 18, 2009 02:14 AM
@Kalinga Where is the contradiction. Read carefully once again. I am referring to chess **GLOBALLY**, not at the national level. How many times do you want me to state that?
The number of *rated* chess-players worldwide exceeds the number of first-class cricketers many times over. There are over 5 million chess-players worldwide who are registered with FIDE. Of these more than 168,000 players are in the FIDE Ratings list. The number of chess-players registered with national clubs is many times more. The former USSR itself had 4 million registered club-level players.
Even just a world top-10 ranking in chess is far greater than any achievement in cricket.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by speculator on Nov 17, 2009 03:30 AM
Peda that is your opinion.Just count the no of crickers playing in India alone and being the best among them is greatest achievement.In comparsion how many play Chess in India??
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Pathetic
by Kalinga Putra on Nov 18, 2009 01:20 AM
Malai Ped you are contradicting yourself, if there are not enough Chess players how Vishy is more competetive??
Sachin: Tests 159 261 27 12773 248* 54.58 42 53 51 102 0 Dravid : Tests 134 233 27 10823 270 52.53 25934 41.73 26 57 1367 15 184 0 The difference between Sachin and Dravid is only No. of centuries. In case Dravid look for individual achivements,Dravid would have scored equal to Sachin's but Dravid produced many such innings that gave INDIA either by winning tests Matches or saving from loosing the Test Matches.
sachin's weakness is to bowl at slightly offside the off stick that moves away or that comes in or that straightens at good length.Sachin always moves his front leg up to middle stump and thn look to bat for a single to midwicket,so if one bowls at slightly off stick either moves away or comes in or straightens,sachin's wicket either to slip or LBW out or bowled out.
Re: Sachin Weakness - Bowlers tip
by supandi supandi on Nov 17, 2009 02:19 AM
Oh Genius, Great. why do you think all those Akram's and Warne's and Donald's and McGrath's couldn't figure it out?? Keep your suggetion to yourself and take a h1ke.. Baat karta hai..
