Reading the comments below, I think we must be the only country in the world who degrade our own cricketers so that our personal favorites appear to be great.
I remember an interview by Suneil Shetty the actor who said that it is important to be a good person becoz that is the only reason that majority of the times we get work. The same applies everywhere; in this case, Kumble is a legend even if he cannot spin the ball like Warne, or be part of WC winning team, or can't field properly. He is a legend becoz of his attitude on field and off field. I wonder how many of his critics remember a heavily bandaged Kumble coming out and picking the wicket of Lara, and this in times when even a scratch prompts our players to run off the field to escape the sun.
Kumble came at a time when our bowling lacked penetration, and to take 10 wickets in an innings (whichever the surface) is an achievement. No person related to cricket can remember any controversy related to Kumble, and this is the main quality that makes ppl like Kumble and Sachin stand out among others.
There is an anecdote where Shastri was considered for captaincy immediately after the B&H cup where he won the Champion of Champions, and he is reported to have said that he wouldnt have a problem with Kapil in his team, but would think twice about having Sunny (though Sunny was his mentor who gave him a break).
Instead of comparing Sachin and Saurav or Bhajji and Kumble, let us be proud of our heroes in totality.
By showering praise to all, Mr. Jenning is taking away the CREDIT that was supposed to give to Kumble. All these were happening when Kumble was not captain, except winning... It is always true that the CAPTAIN's posititive attittude DOES make a difference to the team.. Where was this Kallis, Boucher & Jenning when RC was humbled each and every team initially?????? As they say, WINNER WILL HAVE LOTS OF FATHER, WHILE A LOSER IS AN ORPHAN..!!... In the Nutshell, it was Jumbo who made the difference in the dressing room which in turn made the winning streak possible in the battling pitch.... KUDOS to JUMBO....
Pathan his lost his pace and deadly swing and is no longer a threat. he would do well to hire Kumble as his coach and turn himself into a leggie. Remember Kumble himself started as a pacer and moulded himself into a leggie (though not the classical way). If Pathan can imbibe and learn some of Kumble's tricks and approach he can find a place in the test team given his batting is so good.
Kumble started off as a pace bowler, realised his limitations and turned himself into a leggie though not in the classical sense. Given Pathan's skills in the batting department, he would do well to cut his pace down a bit and try and emulate Kumble! That way he can find a place in the test team!
if all our sportsmen and citizens had the dedication and commitment of these greats, we would have been a totally different nation. These people are true role-models for anyone in any field.
Yes, he is a legend and true fighter within the rules of the game. He may not be the most outstanding spin talent India ever produce, but he became top mainly due to his attitude.
Re: Yes
by madhesh kumar on May 21, 2009 10:44 AM
Pete, without learning the leg break bowling he would not be called as leg break bowler. There is no need to turn the ball a lot as warne does it, then there would be no separate identity. I will say only one thing clearly, When Ganguly came in as cricket player he was not actually a cricket player, he is a foot ball player. When Dhoni started cricket, he was a foot ball goal keeper. Ganguly came with a bang without knowing full professional cricket and scored fasest 4000 runs ever, because he was a learner and experimented every shots. Later he learns all the things and followed the professional way and his runs started to come down. As same as dhoni, he started with bang and his strike rate is wild. Now he learned it professionally and now his strike rate is low when compared to his entry. Now his 20-20 strike rate is less than what he had in first matches in ODI. Now Dhoni is still scoring and captain of India (person who played football can easily become captain this is I learned from Ganguly adn Dhoni) That is the same thing with Kumble. If he learns full his wickets would have been lessened. He plays good cricket, that's all a captain want. He wins the games that's all the people and sponsors want. That's enough to compare his turn of ball with others. Even the coach and other players worried about it. Even selection committee worried about it and selected for many years. Why we have to worry.
Re: Yes
by Pete on May 21, 2009 09:12 AM
One thing I have always noticed is that when Kumble is bowling and some fields misfields or lets the ball slip through his hands and it goes for a boundry, Kumble shows his frustrations in no uncertain ways. But when Kumble is fielding, you should see how he makes a mockery of fielding. Funniest is when he dives. Which isn't a dive really. He just falls on the ground and just flails his hands and legs wildly to make us believe he has made a valiant attempt. Real actor he is when he dives. Now here's a thing that I don't understand. Why is it that even though Sachin is not a leg spinner by choice, his leg breaks turn more than Kumble's? I'm not a fan of Sachin's bowling by any means. I am just comparing the two leg spinners. I have watched tons of cricket but I never remember Kumble's ball turning viciously like say Shane Warne's does or Sachin's does. Why didn't Kumble develop that weapon I will never understand. Ofcourse I believe that Kumble's topspinner is better than anyone else's in the world including Warne. I think Kumble could've done a lot better if had developed more variation in his bowling. I hate to use this word but he's "selfish" in that respect. If I am good enough to keep my place in the team why do I need to improve myself? That kind of thinking makes him selfish.
Re: Re: Yes
by chakravarty devulapalli on May 21, 2009 09:54 AM
pete u r an idiot. Kumble started off first as a pace bowler. His brother advised him to go for leg spin bowling. In the strict sense Kumble has never been the classical leg spinner like Hirwani or Sivaramakrishnan. He gets purchase from the wickets which he used it extremely well. Dont forget his 10wkts against Pak. Nothing pleases me more than that against our arch rivals. In fact, I think Irfan Pathan too should take note. He has lost his pace, not lethal anymore. He would do well to follow Kumbles strategy and practice some leg spin bowling. Given his batting is awesome he might find a place in the Indian test team which is now far from him!
Re: Re: Yes
by icc on May 21, 2009 12:16 PM
why cant the reverse logic be applied here friend? why cant some people think 'if kumble can get 500 wickets with a leg spinner that doesnt really turn, why should I do so much extra work by trying to spin the ball'?? did you ever think of that? and how do you know that if he had developed a leg spinner that turns, he would have got as many wickets as he ended up with?? try to focus on what things he has achieved. dont comment just for the sake of it. put some thought into your comments.
Re: Re: Yes
by rahul on May 21, 2009 09:56 AM
It is a pity..an idiot like you trying to compare sachins bowling with kumbles legspin. Sachin lost a match for mumbai when he bowled 17th over and later acknwledged it. Kumble took RC from 7th spot to semi final birth. Go bury your head in sand..
Re: Re: Re: Yes
by Pete on May 21, 2009 10:21 AM
Thought people who read rediff were smart. You missed my point completely. All I am saying is that if Kumble took all these wickets without ever spinning the ball a lot, imagine what he would've done if he had occasionally spun the ball a lot. When a batsman is facing Kumble's bowling, he knows that the ball will never spin viciously. Don't you think it would've been better if Kumble sometimes spinned the ball viciously, that it would add that extra element of doubt in the batsman's mind? That would've resulted in Kumble getting even more wickets. And Rahul you dumbass, I am not comparing Sachin's bowling with Kumble. All I am saying is that if Sachin who isn't a leg spinner by choice could learn the art of leg break bowling, why the hell did Kumble never learn it? He would've had that extra element of surprise in his bowling. He would've been even more successful. Read what I've said properly before you jump to you dimwit conclusions Rahul and Bushwacker.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes
by bushwacker on May 21, 2009 10:38 AM
you joker!!! Kumble has taken 600 wickets in tests and doesnt have to take spinning lessons from dimwits like you. taking your asinine logic , why can't warne or murali bowl like kumble , then they will get more wickets.Tommorrow you will say , why cant kumble bowl like a fast bowler to add variety to his bowling. grow up , kid !!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes
by Pete on May 21, 2009 10:48 AM
you proved my point without even knowing it. Read what I said in my firt comment. I said Kumble is the best topspinner in the world. Better than even Warne. So yes I do agree Warne should've learnt how to bowl a topspinner like Kumble. That's how one differentiates a good bowler from a great bowler. My point is still valid. Kumble should've learnt to bowl balls that spun viciously. He would've been far more dangerous bowler had he done that. You took my correct argument to the extreme point when you made your retarded argument that tomorrow I will say Kumble should bowl like a fast bowler to add variety. You couuldn't make a sound argument against what I said. The only way you could refute my logic was to take my idea to an extremity and prove it was wrong in that extreme situation. It's ok to be wrong bushwacker. Admiting it does take balls which you don't have.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes
by bushwacker on May 21, 2009 10:53 AM
all of them are different types of bowlers. so dont write gibberish. Play cricket then talk.i guess it is hard to argue with the certainty of a foooooool!!!! lol
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes
by Pete on May 21, 2009 10:49 AM
you proved my point without even knowing it. Read what I said in my first comment. I said Kumble is the best topspinner in the world. Better than even Warne. So yes I do agree that Warne should've learnt how to bowl a topspinner like Kumble. That's how one differentiates a good bowler from a great bowler. My point is still valid. Kumble should've learnt to bowl balls that spun viciously. He would've been far more dangerous bowler had he done that. You took my correct argument to the extreme point when you made your retarded argument that tomorrow I will say Kumble should bowl like a fast bowler to add variety. You couuldn't make a sound argument against what I said. The only way you could refute my logic was to take my idea to an extremity and prove it was wrong in that extreme situation. It's ok to be wrong bushwacker. Admiting it does take balls which you don't have.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Yes
by raj on May 21, 2009 11:05 AM
You are trying to explain a pint to the people who doesn't know anything except writing some abusive words. All that you are trying to say is Kumble is a very good bowler but if he would have turned the ball more he would be more deadly which is quite correct from analysis point of view. But people in this forum loves to fight with no logic so you are talking to deaf people. But from my point of view Kumble as is can be entered into the league of great bowlers because of his accuracy and bounce that he gets out of the wicket which made him leathel.
Kumble married Ms Chethana, a divorcee with a child. Many film actress wanted to marry Kumble. He has rejected all the offers and given life to a divorcee. Truly a great human being.
Re: Re: Kumble a Great Human being
by amitabh kant on May 20, 2009 07:48 PM
Well we can be decent enough.. Your words does not reflect your upbringing, education or parantage you have received... This is just u as an individual who needs some introspection
Re: Re: Kumble a Great Human being
by BS on May 20, 2009 07:54 PM
Its a cheap comment, an insult to women. Do not post such comments in this forum. But given the surname you have, one can expect such rotten stuff.
Re: Kumble a Great Human being
by Pete on May 21, 2009 09:14 AM
One thing I have always noticed is that when Kumble is bowling and some fields misfields or lets the ball slip through his hands and it goes for a boundry, Kumble shows his frustrations in no uncertain ways. But when Kumble is fielding, you should see how he makes a mockery of fielding. Funniest is when he dives. Which isn't a dive really. He just falls on the ground and just flails his hands and legs wildly to make us believe he has made a valiant attempt. Real actor he is when he dives. Now here's a thing that I don't understand. Why is it that even though Sachin is not a leg spinner by choice, his leg breaks turn more than Kumble's? I'm not a fan of Sachin's bowling by any means. I am just comparing the two leg spinners. I have watched tons of cricket but I never remember Kumble's ball turning viciously like say Shane Warne's does or Sachin's does. Why didn't Kumble develop that weapon I will never understand. Ofcourse I believe that Kumble's topspinner is better than anyone else's in the world including Warne. I think Kumble could've done a lot better if had developed more variation in his bowling. I hate to use this word but he's "selfish" in that respect. If I am good enough to keep my place in the team why do I need to improve myself? That kind of thinking makes him selfish.
Re: Kumble a Great Human being
by Kishore Ivatury on May 21, 2009 02:22 AM
So you are implying that if Kumble had not married a dicorcee, she would not have had a life. What rock have you been living under? Times have changed...divorced women can have a fulfilling personal & professional life.
