India have been the team to suffer the worst of Umpiring, Match Refereeing and even TV Umpiring.
How can we forget poor decision doing Dravid in in the first test, second innings? India showed the resilience to save the test from there. If India were to collapse, that decision would have become controversial.
When India went to Sri Lanka the last time, The TV Umpires favored home team with extremely biased decisions. Though MS didn't play the series, he remembers the bitter events and that is why he has told about 'Your spinners getting the benefit'. Quite clever and apt.
In the second test, SL would have fared much worse if not for the TV Umpire ruling P. Jayavardene not out when he was actually clearly OUT stumped by Dhoni. His toes were on line and no part of his body was behind the line. Cricket's rule book says that is out. But the TV Umpire ruled him not out.
SL should not be so bitter. Just 2 decisions went against them. Actually India faced more wrong decisions, even in this series.
Yes,some umpiring inconsistencies were there.It is true Dilshan got raw deal in the first innings but in the second innings he had to blame himself because he annoyed the umpire by two consecutive padding w/o offering any shot to Bhajji.Besides,Indian bowlers were also denied four close calla in the SL 2nd Innings--one of sree,two of sehwag and one of p ojha So,it more thah evened out.
Re: Re: Sangakkara has a valid Point
by Vimlesh Mittal on Dec 06, 2009 10:45 PM
Atleast Srilankans should not talk about ethics, players like D'Silva, Ranatunga and Roshan Mahanana were well known to always get dehydrated and play with a runner. Both Arvinda D'Silva and Mahana played with a runner in 1996 Semis against India and Chor Azzhur allowed them for a runner which took away world cup from us. Like Gavaskar Tendulkar was always a walker. Once in pakistan series when he walked against Akhtar people said he was scared with their interpretation that there was no nick even though he walked. He was not in good form which again opened lot of discussions like he is ageing up and his refluxes are fadding up.....
Re: Re: Sangakkara has a valid Point
by Vimlesh Mittal on Dec 06, 2009 10:25 PM
Tendulkar got consecutive 3 bad decisions in one day series in Sri Lanka and so many bad one's in England and Australia when he was in nineties and twice when he was on 99. Any human will react to it when umpires make it a habit to pick up one particular player especially when media and people start saying that HE IS OVER NOW, HE SHOULD RETIRE.
Its imperative that all cricket boards shud sit and mutually agree to have equal sized grounds - especially the contrasting neigbours Australia and NewZealand - whereas grounds in Australia are massive, they r tiny in NewZealand. This is very unfair to those who have been playing on bigger grounds like Australia, Pakistan and SriLanka. India shud plan a New Zealand trip every year, so that Sehwag has record nos. of double and triple centuries to his name something that no1 else can ever beat.
India has won the series and is number 1 now. However, what Sanga has to say makes sense. Watching Dilshan getting out in the third test brought back the memories of our tour down under when so many decisions went against us from Bucknor. All of us cried foul then. It is logical that now also we adopt the same approach. In the third itself, Dilshan looked for a huge score in the first innings and who knows had he batted in the second, things would have been different for Lankans...
Re: I think Sangakara has a valid point
by veerapuram dharan on Dec 06, 2009 05:44 PM
who knows??u might be true when u compare with down under series..but, dilshan is not viru who can single handedly score mamoth runs and steer lanka to safety...even if dilshan steer them to safety, they would have at the max drawn the match, as there was no chance of them winning it..
Re: I think Sangakara has a valid point
by Javed Siddiqui on Dec 06, 2009 06:07 PM
I am 100% sure that if the same thing happens with us ..... we will cry loudly to have the review system in place.
Happy we are even if the win is by hook or crook .... but upset we are if we are the receiving end.
Re: I think Sangakara has a valid point
by saragadam kumar on Dec 06, 2009 06:01 PM
Boy, had Dilshan offered shot, he would have been escaped the decision. Important point to remember, even if the ball is pitched in line and not hitting the stumps, and player offered no shot, he is out.
Re: Re: I think Sangakara has a valid point
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 06, 2009 06:04 PM
No way. A player not offering a shot is given out only if the ball seems to be hitting the stumps. Whether it hits him in line or not is not important for this case. So, what you have mentioned is the opposite.
Re: Re: I think Sangakara has a valid point
by Ravi Iyer on Dec 06, 2009 07:08 PM
Law 36 (Leg before wicket) 1. Out LBW The striker is out LBW in the circumstances set out below. (a)The bowler delivers a ball, not being a No ball
and (b) the ball, if it is not intercepted full pitch, pitches in line between wicket and wicket or on the off side of the striker's wicket
and (c) the ball not having previously touched his bat, the striker intercepts the ball, either full pitch or after pitching, with any part of his person
and (d) the point of impact, even if above the level of the bails either (i) is between wicket and wicket or (ii) is either between wicket and wicket or outside the line of the off stump, if the striker has made no genuine attempt to play the ball with his bat
and (e) but for the interception, the ball would have hit the wicket.
2. Interception of the ball (a) In assessing points (c), (d) and (e) in 1 above, only the first interception is to be considered.
(b) In assessing point (e) in 1 above, it is to be assumed that the path of the ball before interception would have continued after interception, irrespective of whether the ball might have pitched subsequently or not.
3. Off side of wicket The off side of the striker's wicket shall be determined by the striker's stance at the moment the ball comes into play for that delivery.
Re: I think Sangakara has a valid point
by Rationalist on Dec 06, 2009 09:49 PM
Understand the difference. Australia is not the only one seris India got bad decision. Even last time when India visited South Africa, Rahul Dravid was given out wrongly in both the innings of second test and India lost the match. So understand the difference as to why Australia tour was an issue. Bad descisions are part of the game due to human error. But when bad descisions are used to such and extent to objectively to defeat the visiting team, then it becomes an issue like in Australia.
