BCCI CANNOT EVADE WITH AN EXCEPTION AS IT IS MANDATORY...OR ELSE EVERY WIN FOR INDIANS WILL BE SEEN WITH A DOUBTFUL EYE....THE FOLLOWING SUGGESTION COULD BE A POSSIBLE SOLUTION IF BCCI THINKS LIKEWISE :
a) SET UP A BCCI LOCATOR COMMITTEE WHICH HAS ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT THE PLAYERS CURRENT LOCATION e.g THE CITY IN WHICH THEY ARE ( IF NOT THE EXACT PLACE FOR PRIVACY )
b) SINCE ALL THE CRICKETERS HAVE INTERNATIONAL ROAMING MOBILES, THEY CAN BE REACHED AT ANY TIME BY WADA OFFICIALS FOR RANDOM TESTS AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY
c)IN THIS WAY THERE CAN BE AN EFFECTIVE SOLUTION FOR THE PROBLEM FACING BCCI CURRENTLY..IF THEY THINK THEY ARE GOING TO USE THE MONEY POWER TO INFLUENCE ICC TO EVADE THE WADA TESTS FOR INDIANS THEN IT CREATES A NEGATIVE IMPRESSION ALL AROUND THE WORLD AGAINST INDIANS...
Re: SOLUTION
by Varun on Aug 03, 2009 08:04 AM
Yeah. something less intrusive. It is just a workaround that is needed. I dont believe anybody is against testing.
BCCI should know that the sport they represent may have mass appeal in the Indian subcontinent and some representation in not more than half a dozen more outside the subcontinent and if they seriously want the game to be a trully international sport thay have to accede to some international rules which are same for all.
Re: BCCI Objection
by naveen on Aug 04, 2009 05:20 PM
BCCI is just a local body and its responsibility is cricket in India. For worldwide effort, ICC is responsible.
Re: BBCI
by Varun on Aug 02, 2009 10:27 PM
3 months in advance?. Dude would you be willing to live your life like that. All predecided plans ?. They cant decide to go visit place B instead of A in their free time because it goes against what is reported to WADA or bcz wants to test. Sorry that dosen't work. If WADA wants to prevent cheating, it needs to figure out a better system / detection technology than to invade players life like this. Players private time and life is theirs own. WADA has no business in it. When they are playing, they are subjected to tests anyway.
Re: Re: BBCI
by SG on Aug 02, 2009 11:17 PM
Actually you missed the point about Why WADA insists on testing during the off-season. One of the reasons - if you follow the recent baseball scandals - they all happened during the off-season. Proff. sportsman use some of their off season time acquiring skills (read strength/mucles)not during the peak-season, the time they are supposed to perform. WADA rule is directed mostly towards the sports which have a regualar defined season. Cicket neither falls in that catagory nor is an accpted sport worldwide. WADA may not be able to change thier rule only to accomodate cricket.its ICC's stupidy that they brought in WADA (may be thinking of London olympics). They could have done random checks of their own - time dictated by the Boards, at the whims of their players!!
Re: Re: Re: BBCI
by Varun on Aug 03, 2009 08:07 AM
Dude, I understand and agree about the random testing part. It is definitely a good idea. But has to be less intrusive. Maybe there is another solution less intrusive that can be worked out. Let them ask the questions. See lots of other sportsmen had reservations as well. They might not have had the clout to question. I think this questioning is good.
Re: Re: BBCI
by Vignesh on Aug 02, 2009 11:28 PM
dude varun, wada does not insist you state your one hour slot 3 months in advance and stick by it.
Athletes can update their 60-minute time-slot and their whereabouts at all times, including by emailing or text messaging their relevant anti-doping organization. If they miss a test, they have the opportunity of providing a reason. If this excuse is accepted by the relevant anti-doping organization, then the missed test is not part of any record and does not count as one of three missed tests required within 18 months before any sanction is considered by the relevant ADO.
Re: Re: Re: BBCI
by Varun on Aug 03, 2009 08:09 AM
Tks vignesh. You are right. I missed the ability to change and the 3 times clause. That leaves primarily the security issue. I think they will work out a solution that is less intrusive. I don't believe BCCI or anybody will dream of abstaining. Thats not practical. At the sametime, players could have concerns and they have raised it. Lets see how that goes.
Re: Re: BBCI
by ankyr on Aug 02, 2009 11:16 PM
dude...1st of all,.,its not Wada WHOS Asking bcci or ne other cricket body to be its part,,,its ICC who has gone to wada 4 association,,,,n ya,,,,wen these cricket guns are planning to get this T20 format in olympics,,,,there wil not b any option left for bcci as every sport authority under olympics obliges WADA,,,,,
Re: THIS STANCE OF PLAYERS ARE SUSPICIOUS!!!
by Varun on Aug 02, 2009 10:28 PM
Pl learn about the issue before you comment. They are not against testing, but disclosure of location during their PRIVATE/VACATION time. Get it ?.
Re: Re: THIS STANCE OF PLAYERS ARE SUSPICIOUS!!!
by Vignesh on Aug 02, 2009 11:30 PM
dude varun, wada does not insist you state your one hour slot 3 months in advance and stick by it.
Athletes can update their 60-minute time-slot and their whereabouts at all times, including by emailing or text messaging their relevant anti-doping organization. If they miss a test, they have the opportunity of providing a reason. If this excuse is accepted by the relevant anti-doping organization, then the missed test is not part of any record and does not count as one of three missed tests required within 18 months before any sanction is considered by the relevant ADO.
Re: Re: Re: THIS STANCE OF PLAYERS ARE SUSPICIOUS!!!
by ramakrishnan s on Aug 04, 2009 10:45 AM
I am a bit confused. Do the cricketers need to report every movement of theirs during the day or just the city where they are at that point of time?
Re: Re: THIS STANCE OF PLAYERS ARE SUSPICIOUS!!!
by SG on Aug 02, 2009 11:36 PM
proffesionl sportspersons have to sacrifice some of their quality time during their playing days - average about 7-10 years depending on the sport. Those who doesnt are generally less successful. Their aceivements/earnings compensate for that little invasion of privacy. Since we are not used to true sporting culture - these things hurt. Also our cricketers have no access to high tech suppression methods for accidental intakes..who knows what is happening...thats why they are possibly scared..sometimes they use steroids to get rid of niggles during a break during the season
The WADA rule is deffinitely an infrigment into ones privacy. Please tell me how many persons can precisely tell where they will be for a particular time in a day, over a period of 3 months?
Our cricketers has decided not to comply with this, and are ready to face the consequences. What is wrong with this?
Let persons who are ready to advertise their private life (including married life also) sign this conditions for achieving fame and glory, they don't have any right to redicule others sentiments.
One may be ready to eat shit, but he cannot reducule others who don't do so.
Re: Re: What is wrong?
by ramakrishnan s on Aug 02, 2009 10:17 PM
Hey bhindranwale, none of players objected to testing, their objection was with regards to there whareabouts. So talk sense and reply to what nanda is asking instead of showing ur dislike for cricket and cricketers!!!!
Whats making these guys feel so insecure.All top class athlete and sports person ,who are more bigger star than our cricketer have signed this contract .Why our cricketers are making a fuss.Do these guys are really on drugs???
Re: What r these guys afraid of???
by Rajesh Malhotra on Aug 03, 2009 04:29 AM
Its not just Indian players and BCCI that have concerns about this clause. Though other cricketers around the world have signed the clause, they have raised their voices against this clause. Even in other sports like soccer, FIFA is not fully WADA complaint because of similar concerns. Leading tennis players like Federer and Nadal have opposed strict WADA norms.
Re: What r these guys afraid of???
by Niranjan Sahoo on Aug 02, 2009 08:50 PM
nothing like that.Fact is the Indian players and the BCCI are not organised enough for these rules.Sad part is that they want to continue like that for ever.It happens only when the stars are bigger than the game.
Re: Re: What r these guys afraid of???
by Varun on Aug 02, 2009 10:29 PM
Even if they are organized, still it is an invasion of a players life during their vacation. WADA needs to figure out better system.
Re: Re: Re: What r these guys afraid of???
by SG on Aug 02, 2009 11:59 PM
proffesionl sportspersons have to sacrifice some of their quality time during their playing days - average about 7-10 years depending on the sport. Those who doesnt are generally less successful. Their aceivements/earnings compensate for that little invasion of priv@cy. Since we are not used to true sporting culture - these things hurt. Also our cricketers have no access to high tech suppression methods for accidental intakes..who knows what is happening...thats why they are possibly scared..sometimes they use ster0ids to get rid of niggles during a break after few series
Re: Re: Re: Re: What r these guys afraid of???
by Niranjan Sahoo on Aug 03, 2009 12:52 AM
Absolutely spot on.That's what I meant when I wrote "not organised".
Indian cricketers are always an exception to the rule. The whole world follows these rules, even the high profile, highly targetted NBA and NFL players. Why cant these cricketers? they can easily sign and then protest against these privacy intereferences like Nadal and some others are doing.
Re: maharajas of sports
by BS on Aug 02, 2009 08:15 PM
ha ha ha. If you have muscle then flex it. ICC without Indian cricket team is nothing. But on the other hand it is ridiculous to expect someone to inform about his whereabouts for rest of their professional life. WADA is going overboard.
Re: Re: maharajas of sports
by Niranjan Sahoo on Aug 02, 2009 08:44 PM
Read Abhinav Bindra's view first.At least he must know about WADA codes better than us.Then u can go on commenting or boasting.
Re: Re: Re: maharajas of sports
by ramakrishnan s on Aug 02, 2009 10:21 PM
Buddy, Bhindra is plain jealous of the cricketers about the kind of money they make. How can u expect the cricketers to inform the ICC about their whereabouts all round the year? Is it practically possible?
Re: Re: Re: Re: maharajas of sports
by Niranjan Sahoo on Aug 03, 2009 12:48 AM
Ramakrishnan Sir,what do you mean "how can you expect the cricketers...?" You mean Anju B George and Abhinav Bindra are lesser humans and so should follow the rules?And Indian cricketers are biggger than the game?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: maharajas of sports
by ramakrishnan s on Aug 03, 2009 09:43 PM
Friend, I don't mean belittle the achievement of our sportsmen, but one needs to understand that other sports in india do not have the mass following which cricketers have. As a result these cricketers are much sought after for ads and other engagements. They have so many shoots and ads which sometimes might be planned in without much advance notice. Do u mean to say that the cricketers cannot accept such ads? By all means test them, but do it such that they have no cause for complaint which. Now If Bhindra has so much knowledge about how WADA rules work, let him explain how the cricketers' misgivings would be addressed!!!!
Re: Re: Re: Re: maharajas of sports
by SG on Aug 02, 2009 10:54 PM
hi buddy, lot of crookes make more than the good hard working folks like you. Can you get jelous of them? its your call. What Bindra has achieved today very few Indian (if at all) will achieve in 20 years from now. He has every right to say that..1 in a billion! He is the only reason you did not hide your face during the olympics as an Indian...
