If we see the perfromance of aussies over 2 years, it looks that they are losing their superemacy on the game. With the stalwarts of yesteryears gone and not suitably replaced, australia is deteriorating by day and the culmination is their failure in India
2 days left for Dada to retire so i remember one hindi song of Mohd Rafi-> Rang aur Nur ki Barat - Aaj mai apano me hu jo kalse begane hai. Dada tussi gr8 Wait till England tour 2 days left so 2 x 90 plus 20 maximum 200 overs Ponting sir to level the series 1-1 & Mahi to win 2-0 so play as champaions for which u r famous world wide sir. I wish all the best to Sehwag to play his boxing day 26-12-2003 type innings of 195 in 195 balls so viru cool attack is best way of defence as we see sir don Bradman, Clive Lloyd, Kapil dev, Imran Khan Inzman ul Haq, Shahid afrid (man of series of T20 even after india won T20 cup like Sachin is man of series 2003 world cup even if australia won the 2003 world cup 359-240=119 lead) VVS Laxman must take inutiative to give helping hand to Rahul Dravid Wall indeed. As a team any junior member gets less attention of coach but players like Laxman can be coach as Laxman is batting coach of Zaheer Rahul is capable to scoring 270 in pakistan tour & 234, 93 in Australia tours just Laxman please remind rahul what to do & what not to do it is very very difficult for coach to tell such bitter truth to such a legend due to EGO Dada like steave waugh scored 85 againsts his best friend Pointing to shape the score now remains is 100 in the last innings i know Dada only is determined to score 100 after 85 and of course sachin 100 after 109 with Dada. So s series Sachin Saurabh SSduo zindabad! so it is not yet over Dhoni aussies counterattack
Re: no 3
by Independant Indian on Nov 09, 2008 06:48 AM
I agree Mr Kaushik. Dravid is going through one of worst phase in his career and don't be surprised if he retires end of this match. Ganguly the champion should come out at #3 if India want to win this game.
Re: no 3
by pravin sarode on Nov 09, 2008 07:05 AM
if we look in the history of cricket vigilantly then we will find Ex Captain Sunil Gavskar is master mind of World Cup 2003 wictory because he only gave the ball to Jimmy Mohinder when Kapil Dev got confused when Viv was batting excellent on 33 & Kapil ran 40 meters to get Viv's catch that turned the match so i do not find any ex captain like Rahul Dravid, Sachin, Dada doing work of sunil gavskar as master mind of game plan to turn the match rather Rahul is caught in dilemma & is in aurgement with his own image of gr8 wall so he has to express his feelings I think Laxman is best man who can get Rahul out of dielemma Laxman is not only Clever batsman but also batting guide of Zahir Khan man of match at Bangalore when Zaheer & Harbhajan frustrated aussies by 80 runs partnership
VVS Laxman must take inutiative to give helping hand to Rahul Dravid Wall indeed. As a team any junior member gets less attention of coach but players like Laxman can be coach as Laxman is batting coach of Zaheer Rahul is capable to scoring 270 in pakistan tour & 234, 93 in Australia tours just Laxman please remind rahul what to do & what not to do it is very very difficult for coach to tell such bitter truth to such a legend due to EGO Dada like steave waugh scored 85 againsts his best friend Pointing to shape the score now remains is 100 in the last innings i know Dada only is determined to score 100 after 85 and of course sachin 100 after 109 with Dada. All 11 have to play well
It was shocking to watch Mr.Gavaskar&co blast India on air for negative tactics. What defensive tactics are we talking about? Bowling one side of the wicket-on the off-is not called 'defensive cricket'; its called 'disciplined cricket'. Negative cricket happens when you bowl continuously on the leg side(the batsman is under no threat & can kick the ball) or so far outside the offstump that umpires keep calling wides. Bowling on or outside the offstump when you have 8 men fielding is actually 'bowling to your field'. And having 8 men on the offside when the bowlers are bowling one side of the wicket is called 'setting the field to your bowling'. Wonder whats negative about all this? Lets look at it differently & ask 2 Qs- 1.Is it so difficult to drive through a packed offside field for runs? Ofcourse not-if it were, no team will ever allow totals of 500 & over. So why couldn't the aussies do it? Simple-the drop chance right at the start of the day rattled K & H so much that they denied themslves the luxury of scoring for next 2 hours! Thats called defensive batting.(think Hayden/Sehwag in this setting & u will get my point) 2. Why did it take 21 overs to get first run on the legside? Amazing Bowling! As the experts will vouch for, its not easy to set 1 fielder on the leg & never allow runs there.(ask Aussies to try)Lets give the due credit to Z & I for an amazing spell.The fact is Aussie batsmen on the day were not good enough when challenged by a discplined strategy. Simple!
Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by vijaya krishna u on Nov 09, 2008 04:31 AM
dude badri excellently said man. Thoseguys talk all shit on chatter box just to get a paycheck. Hatsoff to Jr comment
Re: Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by Tanoy on Nov 09, 2008 02:49 AM
Bhagat , Do You know abc of Cricket? By telling Gavaskar a Stupid, You prove yourself a big Jerk as well as Moron
Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by pcu on Nov 09, 2008 06:09 AM
He is not telling Gavaskar stupid. In this particular instance he is acting like a stupid along with Ian Chappel. Ian Chappel is a curse for cricket reg. his under arm bowling with Craig Chappel. Ian didnot see an australian side bowling to a 8-2 or 9-1 or even 10-0 field to a visiting team in Australia? Negative bowling is bowling on the rough on out side leg stump like the great King of Spain did. The simple thing is Australians dont want to force the things. They dont have fluent cover drives like Ganguly or dont have flexible wrists like Laxman or dont have innovation skills as Sachin but only thing they had is load of patience like Dravid. The plan is simple for them to keep wickets and then go for the attack. But unfortunately they failed ont hat. Where was Mr. Gavaskar when McGrath bowled to a 8-2 filed mostly throughout his carrier. The true thing here without Aus dont have bowlers to take wickets like Mc, Warne and even McGill. and they dont have good batsman like Langer, Martyn or Gilly. They have this Ponting who is being projected as world's best. He didnot play well out side Australia and does not know how to play spin. Last thing will the umpires take notice of Katich's objection to the LBW decision. Aus. again proved that they are bad losers and cry babies. The same Gav. would have blamed the indian batsmen if they played like Katich and Hussey for not playing for win. What about Mr. Cricket he could not able to force things....
Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 03:21 AM
Don't be angry dear Tanoy. I know my cricket. That is why I brought Gambhir issue. Sunny should be consistent in expressing his views. When Clarke wrestled with Sachin to bring him down near the non-strikers end in the finals of the tri-series in Australia, Gavaskar criticised him for doing that and I fully agreed with him. Now when Gambhir elbows Watson, I do not know why he should support Gambhir. Even Ravi Shastri said that Gambhir deserved punishment. So Gavaskar's acts show that his opinions are not consistant. Playing defensive cricket is not a bad sport. Kumble can do it, so is Dhoni. I do not understand why you are demanding people to be beaten and kicked out. Are you ok?
Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 02:39 AM
I don't know what was so positive about his 36 notout in 60 overs against England in India's first ever ODI.
Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 03:50 AM
Yes Tanoy, even I am completely surprised by all this nonsense in the media. I agree that this a country full of youngsters and they need to be given chance. But that doesn't mean that whatever senoiors have achieved is less important. Why should a senior player retire if he can still play a better game than a Junior. Adam Gilchrist had to wait till 28 to play his first test match because Ian Healy was doing very well. Nobody has the right to force somebody to retire. If they do not perform they can drop them provided they have replacement. I am more saddened by people like Vengsarkar calling for Kumble's retirement. He only gave him captaincy and when his term is over he wants Kumble career to be over. What a sad man this Vengy is?
Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 02:56 AM
My comment is very relevent. Few days back the same person defended Gambhir for body contact eventhough there is no place for body contact in cricket no matter whatever may be provocation. Today he says Dhini is defensive. He is trying to get airtime and nothing more. Whatelse you expect somebody working for BCCI TV!!
Re: Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 03:58 AM
Yes, the test matches are produced by Nimbus for BCCI. Also Sunny is an expert commentator at CNN IBN along with Australian Peter Roebuk.
Re: Re: Re: Re: What Defensive Tactics??
by Tanoy on Nov 09, 2008 03:25 AM
Really?Aaarey babba , I am scared to hear from such a big Cricket Scholar Bhagat the father of Cricket. Sorry Sir WG GRACE. why should I blame Bhagat. IF lalit Modi is become all in all , Bhagat can be easily be the BCCI president.
After yers of toil BCCI has finally succeded. After all it is no surprise because BCCI has a habit of getting success be it their war against ICL or against match referees and umpires. This time it was long drawn effort. To achieve this they promoted IPL by pumping in millions of dollors. They prepared the dumbest possible pitched for test matches. they made Indian team to play 50 ODI's every year. They sqeezed 3 more ODI's by sacrificing a test match. They denied tickets to cricket fans by lathi charging them whenever they went to ground to buy tickets. They finally achieved success in killing the popularity of test matches!! Kudos to BCCI!!! Now you can concentrate on the real cash cows the IPL and ODI's. Bhad me jaye a test matches!!
Re: BCCI successful
by pravin sarode on Nov 09, 2008 07:23 AM
DHAVAL KULKARNI in place of ANIL KUMBALE would be my choice as per Greig Chappel theory of selecting young promising lads who perform best in Ranji Trophy & so there will be huge protest if DHAVAL KULKARNI & ROHIT SHARMA do not play x England BCCI can not ignore all facts told by Greig Chappel in his resignation as Indian Coach there is always room at top position just 99 percent hard work & 1 percent talent is needed as told by Thomas alva edison who invented filament bulbs that are used in daynight matches so team in my view is 1. Irfan Pathan - all rounder 2. Mohammad Kaif 3. Suresh Raina 4. Dhawal Kulkarni 5. M Vijay 6. M Dhoni 7. Zaheer Khan 8. S Badrinath decoder of Ajantha Medis 9. Shreeshant new bollywood coreographer 10.Amit Mishraji 11.Ishant Sharmaji 12.Sehwag to learn patience like DADA SO I DROPPED VVS LAXMAN & RAHUL DRAVID AS THEY DROPPED LOOLY POP CATCH IN SLEEP POOR FIELDING IS MY THUMB RULE OF REJECTION. SHAME ON DRAVID & vvsLAXMAN OF STARTING COMPETITION TO DROP CATCHES ACTUALLY THEY SHOULD CATCH HARD CATCHES WITH 100 PLUS TEST EXPERIENCE & IT IS SHAME ON RAHUL THAT HE IS SPOILING FIELDING SKILLS OF VVS LAXMAN ALSO
Re: BCCI successful
by pravin sarode on Nov 09, 2008 07:10 AM
2 days left for Dada to retire so i remember one hindi song of Mohd Rafi-> Rang aur Nur ki Barat - Aaj mai apano me hu jo kalse begane hai. Dada tussi gr8 Wait till England tour 2 days left so 2 x 90 plus 20 maximum 200 overs Ponting sir to level the series 1-1 & Mahi to win 2-0 so play as champaions for which u r famous world wide sir. I wish all the best to Sehwag to play his boxing day 26-12-2003 type innings of 195 in 195 balls so viru cool attack is best way of defence as we see sir don Bradman, Clive Lloyd, Kapil dev, Imran Khan Inzman ul Haq, Shahid afrid (man of series of T20 even after india won T20 cup like Sachin is man of series 2003 world cup even if australia won the 2003 world cup 359-240=119 lead) all indian do not be over joyed be on earth be sorry that Dada is retiring with the blame of 2003 world cup that Dada believed that we indians will chase any damm target set by the Rahul, Sachin, Laxman trio but in 2003 world cup final all limitations of indians were clearly seen poor directionless bowling, dropped catches like todays by Rahul & VVS Laxman and Avalanche after loss of Sachin wicket so learn some wise ness from 2003 W C defeat sir SACHIN I REMEMBER THAT ATAL BIHARI as prime minister assurred all indians that Sachin will not throw his wicket till last ball of the game but alas sachin gave lollypop catch on 4 in the final when Dada believed that Sachin will hit 143, 144 Sharjah type knock in WC2003 so sachin beg DADA apology 4 WC2003mess
Re: BCCI successful
by badri on Nov 09, 2008 02:28 AM
Whats happening in Nagpur is shameful & a reminder again of lack of professionalism on the part of BCCI & State Associations. And the reason is not even things like reducing interest in tests etc! Basic common sense. Apparently, there are no daily tickets! So, if I need to watch the test on day 3 or 4, I need to buy a season ticket. How thoughtful! Arranging some mini vans /buses to the stadium (given this stadium is miles outside Nagpur) is another simple way to get people in. Buts thats asking for too much, isn't it? In a country of teaming millions (all with interest in cricket), only BCCI can manage to not get more than 3000 people to a decider test match between the 2 best teams in the world in a brand new stadium! That definitely is an achievement by itself! Take a bow!
Re: BCCI successful
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 02:49 AM
No badri. If it was a IPL match they would have done everything possible to get people. They would have even given free tikets to school children. Why? Because IPL is their baby. Test cricket.... who cares?
Re: BCCI successful
by badri on Nov 09, 2008 03:12 AM
Fair point. Wonder how to make these people accountable? Will some official (even if junior) accept blame for not putting out daily tickets? You will probably not hear any official comment from BCCI on the low attedance. And thats the even more sad part!
Re: BCCI successful
by Tanoy on Nov 09, 2008 02:59 AM
Major Problem is that A bunch of Criminals are sitting on the Highest chair of BCCI. Board president Shashanka Monhar is very often accused for Nagpur wall Collapse Tragedy. He and his father Senior Monohar gave contract to one of their relatives. N Srinivashan is another Culprit. He is Secretory of BCCI and owning Chennai super King in ICL. Only you can see Such conflict of Interest In India. Lalit Modi has simply made cricket to a prostitution business. How can you expect from these type of people. All senior- junior conflict , Media hype, pressure on Seniors are brain children of those Non Cricketing Criminals.I am agreed with Shashi Kiran. One day This Modi- Srinivashan will tell " We don't need Test crciket."
It is sad thing Media is crying for VRS of seniors. But How long these corrupt board official will hold their Chairs?
Re: BCCI successful
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 03:26 AM
Nobody in our country's corrupt media dare to plan a VRS scheme to these corrupt BCCI officials. Well mannered cricketers are soft targets.
Re: Re: BCCI successful
by Tanoy on Nov 09, 2008 03:40 AM
If Cricket lovers took initiative , obviously it could work. If Cricket lovers started Campaign to remove those corrupt officials and bring the Organizers and Cricketers in Board could be worked. Just Imagine all of the Fab 4 and Kumble are well educated and legend in sports. BCCI easily utilized them in administration. But people like Modi are ruling the show.
POnting, Gilly whatever selective leaks you may try, your books wont sell.
People are tired of your stale tricks of remembering incidents selectively after being quite about them for long.
Your other captain too tried this trick, we did not read his memories(steve waugh) your books will be no different.
Indian media, why do you work for aussie pubilist, I'm sure you will not entertain such clean articles for indian icons like ganguly or kumble. go and bury yourselves
Re: PONTING AND GILLY YOUR BOOKS WONT SELL
by pravin sarode on Nov 09, 2008 07:12 AM
indians do not be over joyed be on earth be sorry that Dada is retiring with the blame of 2003 world cup that Dada believed that we indians will chase any damm target set by the Rahul, Sachin, Laxman trio but in 2003 world cup final all limitations of indians were clearly seen poor directionless bowling, dropped catches like todays by Rahul & VVS Laxman and Avalanche after loss of Sachin wicket so learn some wise ness from 2003 W C defeat sir SACHIN I REMEMBER THAT ATAL BIHARI as prime minister assurred all indians that Sachin will not throw his wicket till last ball of the game but alas sachin gave lollypop catch on 4 in the final when Dada believed that Sachin will hit 143, 144 Sharjah type knock in WC2003 so sachin it is u that frustrated Dada in final of world cup 2003 so beg Dada's Apology now chappel played dirty politics through sharad pawar to make dravid captain in place of Dada so Chappel as well as BCCI must beg Dada apolology & ask him to play only in side INDIA do not retire DADA we want u r valuable contribution on the patta pitches inside INDIA
if we look in the history of cricket vigilantly then we will find Ex Captain Sunil Gavskar is master mind of World Cup 2003 wictory because he only gave the ball to Jimmy Mohinder when Kapil Dev got confused when Viv was batting excellent on 33 & Kapil ran 40 meters to get Viv's catch that turned the match so i do not find any ex captain like Rahul Dravid, Sachin, Dada doing work of sunil gavskar?
Dhoni has become Indias Greg Chappel; not in terms of positive achievements in batting by Greg, but the shameless tactics employed as a Captain!
More than a decade ago, Greg Chappel as a Captain ordered the bowler, his brother Trevor, to bowl the last ball of the inninngs under arm against New Zealand to prevent New Zealand batsman from scoring a Six and winning the match!
Bowling under arm was legal in those days, though it was never bowled by any bowler in international cricket. Not that they are not in the know of it but for keeping the sportsmanship up neither any bowler nor any captain asked his bowler to bowl under arm till Greg Did. Thereafter, the Cricketing authorities banned under arm bowling.
That episode hit national dailies headlines with "There is a new deodorant for your under arms; it stinks; Its name is Trevor Chappel"
Now, Dhoni by employing 8 fielders on off-side and by asking his bowlers to bowl wide off-side has done a Greg Chappel. It is reminiscient of bodyline bowling of Douglas Jardine who crowded the on-side and asked Harold Larwood to bowl on the bodies of Aussie batsman in the infamous bodyline series.
Kumble in the last Australian series that was most controversial had famously commented that there is only one team is playing with the spirit of the game! Indians had won laurels under Kumble and Ganguly!
Dhoni with this one stroke had killed the spirit of the game and destroyed Indias reputation.
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by radha dua on Nov 09, 2008 01:26 AM
reading all this helps me know how they made up the " bheja fry 7up try " ad ........ chsssssssssss
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by shashikiran kajava on Nov 09, 2008 01:28 AM
Dhoni has every right to stem the flow of runs. He was only challenging the Aussies to take risk. They didn't so they bitten dust. They could have attacked Indian bowlers by taking risks. If it worked they could have forced Dhoni to change his strategy. Remember they had said that they will go for victory as they felt there is no difference between going 1-0 down and 2-0 down. As Veeru rightly said this Aussie team shows aggression only on newspapers and not on the field. Moreover do not blame captain alone for all the strategy decisions as most of the times it is team decision including captain, team and coach and bowling coach. Well done India.
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by varun on Nov 09, 2008 01:20 AM
dude dhoni was absolutely brilliant in his tactics today. He stiffled the aussies in the first session and put them to sleep, and they never woke up after that. They were not prepared to use their feet against the spinners and were content to wait for the lose balls which did'nt come too often because the indian bowlers bowled with great discipline and stuck to the plan. The result is there for everyone to see. Don't forget that we have a lead of 86 runs and after yesterday's indifferent performance from india today was a complete domination. The fact that we got 8 australian wickets for 160 runs is a great performance and it has come about becoz of some great thinking from dhoni and the bowlers have responded well to him. The onus is on the australians to press for a win and they never did that. Dhoni is a genius, he played his cards brilliantly today.
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by Kabeer on Nov 09, 2008 01:24 AM
Dear varun,
Even Greg saved that match from a possible loss! But the saner world do not appreciate these unethical practices! It is sheer cowardice; not brilliant tactics!
Re: Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by arul m on Nov 09, 2008 01:31 AM
But if aussie are allowed to score upto 650 runs @5 an over, it will be viewed as tactical mistake still. IT is do you are damned and don't still you are damned.
End of the day, india managed a handsome lead and let us look forward to the result now.
Besides Kabeer,why are you silent when ponting or waugh does it, you seem to have forgotten ashlie giles and nasser hussain when they bowled at sachin. Think and be impartial with your views, dont be another chappell brother
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by Kabeer on Nov 09, 2008 01:14 AM
Dear James,
Even Greg saved that match for Australia from the possibility of losing by ordering his brother bowler bowl under arm which though is legal in those days!
Captains till date are not fools not to bowl under arm or place all fielders on one side and ask the bowler to bowl only on that side. Everybody recognises the spirit of the game! If you dont follow, the day is not far off for the law makers imposing restrictions as they banned under arm bowling!
These out of box thinking may work in 20-20 which anyway is not cricket!
Before India becomes a laughing stock, BCCI, either instruct Dhoni to behave himself or quietly remove him from Captaincy!
These tactics do not give results but only put more restrictions by the law makers!
As his mind is open, his brains are spilling over!
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by arul m on Nov 09, 2008 01:13 AM
Dhoni was tactically a step ahead, last evening his approach misfired and aussie scored freely @4 . He comes up with a plan and choke and disintegrate them to innings allout @2.5 runs a over. I call it shear beauty rather then some "underarm" theory. As you yourseleves said, greg did what others dare not, whereas, dhoni did what ponting, waugh and nasser hussain even srilankans done. Only, in dhonis case, his trap worked and aussies were clueless.
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by Kabeer on Nov 09, 2008 01:18 AM
Dear Arul,
only the Srilankans did these legal but unethical tactics like wide outside the leg side and not declaring an Innings even after attaining 800 runs after preparing a dead wicket! No one appreciates this kind of non-sense!
Re: Shameless Dhoni is India's Greg Chappel!
by Govind Raj on Nov 09, 2008 01:48 AM
Kabeer... You are either a Pakistani / Australian with a fake name / or a Congenital Dhoni hater. What is wrong with opening with Bhajji? After seeing Kretza get 8 wickets, any Captain would be tempted to use his best off-spinner to open with new ball on this track where the ball was doing funny things on day-2.
It shows how pathetic your knowledge of cricket is when you compared Sri Lanka's outside the leg stump tricks with what Dhoni did today. Bowling way out side the leg is absolutely negative because of the blind spot most of the batsmen will not be able to see the ball well and hence it stifles the runrate. But bowling way out side the off can be suicidal with batters like Veru and Sachin and even Laxman. Let anyone try this. Today it was a brilliant strategy by Indians and it worked against ultra-defensive Aussies. They could have tried to break shackles by trying to play on the vacant on side. They could not and did not shows how desciplined Indian bowling was.
This is NOT negative Cricket. This is simply a brilliant strategy. Get your facts right and learn something about cricket before you write like this
