Some times its funny to see the coments like the one given by Kapil to day. If u look at the coments"The players have never worked with Whatmore,how can they recommend his name" If u look at from ohter side, Did Kapil ever worked with whatmore to oppose his name? or on what basis he is commenting or criticizing the seniors?
RE:Seniors Vs Kapil
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 03, 2007 08:51 PM
Thats why people say all cricketers including past and present will always work on a hidden agenda.
Now kapil only has an hidden agenda of criticising whatever BCCI and Senior players does and attract them to Zee Cricket leaugue. :):):):)
RE:Seniors Vs Kapil
by optimist on Jun 03, 2007 09:01 PM
Stop criticising Kapil. Kapil has a point in commenting on the seniors. Foreign coaches may not be the best always. Whatmore is not in his peek now. He gave his best to SriLanka and improved the status of Bangladesh. Now he is on his decline. BCCI should not blindly recommend a his name. Kapil has been criticising BCCI since long. Not because he is associated with Zee. BCCI should look for a coach who is ambitious, not the one who has already achieved some thing on his name and on decline.
RE:Seniors Vs Kapil
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 04, 2007 10:19 AM
I dont agree with whatever you said about whatmore. How can you say he is in his decline? He brought Bangaldesh to the super 8 and he built up the coinifdence in the Bangla team that they can beat anyone if they play well. Thats what coinfidence is all about. one or two bad decisions here and there wont spoil the man's overall credibility.
Moreover, he is a silent, but still a systematic person whom Indian team need. We dont need super stars like Greg, but need silent performers like John wright and Whatmore.
RE:Seniors Vs Kapil
by Mat on Jun 04, 2007 05:59 AM
agree most of what u said. bu how is whatmore on he decline......is it bcause bangladesh didnt wi the world cup. they r the most improved team in the last few years,and whatmore had a part to play. Kapil can speak his mind but thats allowed in democracy though he canbe wrong as many others.
RE:Seniors Vs Kapil
by Tarence DSouza on Jun 03, 2007 09:09 PM
Yes...I agree we should not criticise Kapil. No matter what his comments are..w.ell, he has done more for India and in the times when he made money probably more through his cricket than advertisements. Come on Guys, lets show some respect to one prodigy of Indian Cricket, if you know what it means to all us Indians!!
Apart from that, well I feel Kapil is right in exressing his stance as a bystander just as much we do send such rotten 'comments' all over this board :-) Well, he surely stands lots TALL than me in cricket...and Kapil Paji...kudos to you :-)
RE:Seniors Vs Kapil
by Augustine Alemcherry on Jun 03, 2007 09:12 PM
Kapil might have been a great player, but he is one of the dumbest senior cricketers. He is in the same league as Srikanth. He was a flop as a coatch, and his comments lacks common sense, forget a deep knowledge of the game.
His arguments lack any merit. "One day, things will be such than Sachin (Tendulkar), VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid and Sourav Ganguly will be in contention for the coach's job but would never get it." - Whats wrong with that? If there is a better foregin coach at that point of time, why not get his service, rather than these overrated superstars? Even otherwise, people like Sachin and Ganguly and never going to coach - they will take easier and better paying commentator jobs like their smarter seniors. People like Kapil - who can't speak or thinnk - will always keep on blaming someone to remin in news.
A coach who might be like Chappel might s?show the door for "the seniors " -> our coaches seniors together screwed cricket in india. We need to kick these seniors out first before getting a new coach. Now they are united in getting a new coach, with whom they have never worked, they know no more than a journalist. SL won the cup not because of Whatmore but because of a shrewd captain and a good talented hardworking team. We have neither. A coach is not a magician, and we will not win any cups in next 10 years with this set of players.
RE:Seniors have other interests
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 03, 2007 08:33 PM
absolutely true. SL able to win the World Cup because they played like a team, listened to the coach and implemented the strategies discussed in the team meetings in a perfect fashion.
When you have senior players who only plays for their owen personal history, dont listen to the coach and captain and then tries to implement their own strategies, the team is never going to play as a team for a long period.
no coach or even god cant help the INdian Team until and unless the players especially Senior players come out of the impression that they are semi-gods and can do anything and get away with it and play as a team.
RE:Seniors have other interests
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 03, 2007 08:58 PM
Coach can give you suggestions. Its upto you to take in a positive manner or negative manner.
When Tom Moody challenged Murali and told him that you are becoming old and not good in Fielding, Murali took it as a challenge , improved his fielding and showed to his Coach that he is a world class players who takes suggestion as a suggestion and improves his game.
In the same way, when Greg told Saurav that you are not fit for Test cricket until you changes your game against a short pitch delivery, It created a lot of nonsense and Saurav played all sorts of polititcs instead of improving his own game. Still his weakness is the short pitch stuff and even the bowler like Shahadat Hossain can trouble him with the short pitch stuff.
If the players are not willing to listen and improve, even god cannot help them. Forget about the Coach.
Lets accept the fact, any coach (Indian or Foreigner) would be a success if he allows the Indian players (mainly the seniors) to have their say in whatever decision is taken. Once the seniors are ignored, the coach will have a hell of a time here in India. Take for example John Wright, who wasnt very strict with the players and always "respected" players' opinion. Though he gave his real opinion about players in his book, much later, after he had left the job. And then there was Greg Chappell, a much talented person, with better coaching credentials, but very strict. There was surely going to be resentment among the players. SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS ANY COACH WHO SAYS "YES" TO WHAT THE SENIOR PLAYERS SAY, WILL BE A BIG SUCCESS IN INDIA.
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by Upadrasta PardhaSaradhi on Jun 03, 2007 08:19 PM
why should seniors have to be considered for the decisions if they dont follow whatever has been decided by the team managment?
classic case is Sachin always refusing to play in the middle order, Saurav refusing to open in the innings in a test match, Saurav playing very slowly in the WC match against Bangaldeh when the Team management sent a message to accerelate?
It should be two way. Senior players should be considered for deciion making and Senior players also should co-operate in the decision making process for the sake of the team.
If Dravid can keep wickets for the sake of team for 4 years, why cant Saurav open the innings in the test match and why cant Sachin play @ number 4 giving stability to the middle order and giving more exposure to youngsters in the top oder before he retires?
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by Rogar Dat on Jun 03, 2007 08:26 PM
"Greg Chappell, a much talented person, with better coaching credentials, but very strict."
~~ ROFL ... cud u giv us the prove of his "better coaching credentials" :D ... yes was strict to players ..but himself ...LoLz
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by sreekanth agneswaran on Jun 04, 2007 08:30 AM
"Greg Chappell, a much talented person, with better coaching credentials, "
Ha Ha... Ha Ha Haa haah Hahahha hahahah hahaha haha heeee hehee hoooo hoo haahah haha heeee heeh haahaaah HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by Rogar Dat on Jun 03, 2007 08:33 PM
wat r u ??? dat was not for u .... dont u read otherz post ...??? or jus start sciblin .. :O
Greg Chappel is the only coach so far who has dared to standup against the nonsence which is going on in Indian cricket. With great courage he managed to get rid of Ganguly, but somehow he again resurfaced. Greg is 100% right in seeking younger players like Gambhir, Raina, Piyush and Karthic. All Indians must understand that older players like Ganguly, Sachin, Laxhman and Kumble are not able to deliver anymore. They were great in their days but it is over now. They have made India loose in the last 2 to 3 years. Get rid of them now!
Do not select players on past performance. We have to see what they can do in thier current form. Therefore, never again any more chance should be given to Ganguly, Sachin, Laxman, Harbajan and Agarkar. They have contributed heavily during the last two years for several losses for India. Instead, more chances should have been given to young players like Piyush Chawla, Gambhir, Utthapa, Ramesh Powar, Raina, and many others. Get rid of older players who are surviving on past glories. Ganguly is a classic example.
RE:S
by Rogar Dat on Jun 03, 2007 08:30 PM
somehow ?? whoa ... scorin runz is somehow to u ..hmm oh btw watz da age od rahul dravid .. is he still in his nappy ...dat y u cant put him the old player league .... yes being the highest scorer is a classic example to u ..moron.... where u from BLORE ?
RE:S
by Ramesh Saripalli on Jun 03, 2007 10:02 PM
Idiot.Highest scorer after sacrificing the team completely and putting pressure on other players.Where are u from Kolka????
I for one am of the firm opinion that the present set of 'senior' greats are plainly over the hill & the board basking in their past glory has completely overlooked the need for replacements.They were rather either politicking & jockeying for the 'honorary' posts OR raking in millions for themselves first & then for the board.There is no need for a foreign coach just because John Wright was able to make some headway (all due respect for his efforts).Some one has rightly said that we did not have any foreign coach when we won the world cup !!?? The boys then,had the hunger to win & untapped talent.Lo! success followed.
I think Indian Coach can better understand it's Players than a foreign Coach. We have already seen how the Greg Chappel was totally flopped and how has he ruined the India Team. Therefore, we should not do any more mistake.
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by jithin george on Jun 03, 2007 09:59 PM
I think a foreign coach will be the better option..Kapil is an icon i agree..but simply critisising every one every time will only loose his value as a person...if he keep doing so..will have to put him in the same league as Bedi..There are foregn coches reining even in state level teams and why not questioning that?I hope india do really well in both the ENgland and Australian tour coming up.
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by Shaukeen on Jun 04, 2007 12:24 PM
Folks,
Dont forget, Kapil has been the only captain who got us the world cup ever.
He has a point when he says Indian coaches should be preferred. They understand the Indian culture better and can relate to the players in a far better way and produce better results, than any australian who will promise MOON for the next 4 years and when it really matters, the team wont be able to proceed to the second round.
RE:Indian Cricket Team Coach
by laila on Jun 04, 2007 05:12 PM
hey u idiots....dont u have abbsolutely anything to do....y do u discuss cricket for 5 pages...how stupid are the people of india...kya hoga is desh ka??
