I think the biggest opponent Sachin has faced is Sachin himself,the kind of standard he has set for himself... whenever he deviates slightly from that,his critics declare that he is no longer a good player,come on my dear critics,take a break
RE:Sachin Rocks or Farts!
by SHAILENDRA on Feb 01, 2007 03:07 PM
Read the article well before you shoot off your mouth "The other such hundreds for Tendulkar were: 140* (off 101 balls) v Kenya at Bristol in 1999, 113 (off 102 balls) v Sri Lanka at Bristol in 2002 and 105* (off 108 balls) v England at Chester-le-Street in 2002."
RE:RE:Sachin Rocks or Farts!
by savita on Feb 02, 2007 01:14 PM
Better still read the reply by pankaj at the top, I think I better paste it here, sorry pankaj I am staeling your copyright... Hi all,
This is what we hear from most of SACHIN'S CRITICS
1.Selfish
2.Scoring Against weaker Oppostions
3.Failing in pressure situation
Let me give u more info about this
1.Selfish
Well Records are meant to be broken and if Sachin is breaking them critics[haters more rightly] can't digest them.. One of the incidents people mention is regarding his 194 knock against pakistan..some said it was slow knock..agreed it was a slow knock by Sachin's stature,but if it is compared wid one of the knock wid Dravid...this will not look as bad it seems.. Tendulkar- 194 runs in multan with a strike rate of around 54 Dravid- 217 runs in oval with a strike rate of around 46
I m just taking one example to tell that Dravid's natural game is to hold the one end and let the others to dominate..in multan Sachin changed his gears and holded one end and he let sehwag to dominate..played Rahul's role in that innings. Now this is called team game.. but people call it slow batting and selfish... Sachin always said Team's win is more important than personal landmark..He proved this statement in that very test by taking Moin Khan's wicket off the last ball of the 3rd day..That Ball was beauty!!Wasn't he happy at that moment??? Since Sachin is the most senior player of the team so he can't throw his wicket just to prove critics that he is still a master blaster...[he is still scoring at brisk rate in onedays]..People forget his fast scroing Centuries against world class bowling
169 [201 balls] against South Africa in 1997 at Capetown 92 [120 balls] against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown 155 [191 balls] against Australia in 1998 at Chennai 79 [ 85 balls] against Australia in 1998 at Kolkata 100 in 123 balls against NewZealand in 1999 at Wellington[he scored 113 runs in that inning] 155 [183 balls] against South Africa in 2001 in Bloemfontein
There are many other breath taking innings in tests from 10dulkar.
But everyone please note this down..Sachin is the Only Batsman in Test Cricket who scored 3 Centuries wid a SIX 179 - 6 off Walsh[I remember it was a hook shot] against WestIndies in 1994 at Nagpur 124 - 6 off Min Patel[off spinner,straight down the ground] against England in 1996 at Birmingham 113 - 6 off Wiseman[off spinner,straight down the ground] against Newzealnad in 1999 at Wellington
Critics says he plays for his records and centuries..Now just look to this..
One Day Centuries- 39 [out of 39 centuries India Won 28 times and lost 10 times,1 century in a rain affected match ] 10 centuries gone in Vain.. Half Centuries- 72
now here is that intresting part
out of these 72 centuries Sachin got 28 scores of 80 and above in these 28 scores if we take out the innings in which he was not out [coz of over completed or target chased ] he was 5 times not out in such innings so now lets talk about remaining 23 innings Can u believe he has 10 scores of 90's??? If these 90's were converted in 100's the stats looks likes this Centuries-49 just one short of 50 ODI centuries... and look he missed another record for those who have so much fuss about playing for records.. getting out highest numbers of times in 90's in ODI's ..just coz he wanted to score for the team and not for the his personal records he got out 10times in 90's
Test Centuries- 35 [12 in which India won,15 in dead tests,8 in lost tests ] lone warrior in tests which India lost Half Centuries- 41
Intresting Part 12 scores of 80 6 scores of 90's convert them in 100s..he will pass 40 centuries in Test Cricket..sad for critics he played for team and thats why couldn't converted these 90's into 100's
2.Scoring Against weaker Oppostions 19/07/2006 08:50 This can happen in India only.. People remembers 152 against Namibia and forgets 98 against Pakistan in WorldCup People remembers 248 against Bangladesh and forgets his 7 centuries against World Champions Australia [4 in their own den].. Only one century against Bangladesh and share the honour of scoring test century against each test playing nation wid Dravid,Ponting and Garry Kristen...No one talk about other 3 batsman scored centuries against Bangladesh..then why the fuss for Sachin??
Test Australia - 7 Centuries [4 in Australia], 2 of them at the age of 18 in 1992 Bangladesh- 1 Century [Unfortunately his highest score in Test Cricket] England- 6 Centuries [4 in England], NewZealand- 3 Centuries [1 in NewZealand] Pakistan- 2 Centuries [1 in Pakistan] SouthAfrica- 3 Centuries [ all three in South Africa] Srilanka- 7 Centuries [4 in Srilanka] WestIndies- 3 Centuries [ 1 in WestIndies] Zimbabwe- 3 Centuries [ none in Zimbabwe]
90 96 against Srilanka at Banglore in 1994 92 against West Indies at Bridgetown in 1997 97 against South Africa at Mumbai in 2000 90 against England at Banglore in 2001 92 against England at Nottingham in 2002 94 against Pakistan at Mohali in 2005
Intresting Part He scored runs in all parts of world..There are three types of wickets u generally found in Cricket..Fast and bouncy Pitches like in Australia,South-Africa,NewZealand,WestIndies,Spin tracks in India,Srilanka,Pakistan,and seeming tracks like in England. Today people talk about Ricky Ponting...now check this out
contd 19/07/2006 08:51 Sachin's and Ponting's average at their own home soil is above 55 so nothing to discuss this here,but the real part starts now Sachin's average in Australia 54.15 , 4 centuries Ponting's average in India,12.28 , no centuries
Sachin's average in England 71.60 , 4 centuries Ponting's average in England 42.63 , 3 centuries
I am taking records for these countries only bcoz.. rightnow,best fast bowlers are from Australia,best spinners are from India,Best Seamers from england[as there is no choice bcoz only england have such pitches] Anyone can take easily tell who played gud cricket against best attack on all kind of pitches...
One Day Australia - 7 Centuries 1 score of 90's Bangladesh- 0 Century England- 1 Centuries 1 score of 90's Kenya- 4 Centuries Namibia- 1 Century NewZealand 4 Centuries Pakistan- 5 Centuries 4 scores of 90's SouthAfrica- 3 Centuries 1 score of 90's Srilanka- 7 Centuries 3 score of 90's WestIndies- 2 Centuries Zimbabwe- 5 Centuries
90 90 against Australia in 1996 at Mumbai 91 against England in 1997 at Sharjah 95 against Pakistan in 1998 at Dhaka 93 against Pakistan in 2000 at Hobart 93 against SouthAfrica in 2000 at Nagpur 93 against Srilanka in 2000 at Dhaka 98 against Pakistan in 2003 at Centurion 97 against Srilanka in 2003 at Johannesburg 93 against Srilanka in 2005 at Nagpur 95 against Pakistan in 2006 at Lahore
Intresting Part Only 5 Centuries against minnows like Kenya ,Namibia[non test playing nation]...and Kenya was the semi-finalist of the world cup'03 10 scores of above 90 against only test playing nations...now can anyone tell me how is he selfish?? 34 times he scored more than 80 and couldn't reached 100..If he played for his records..he could easily scored 100's all of those scores above 80's ...
3.Failing in pressure situation 19/07/2006 08:51 ODI
Won Chasing Target
M R H AVG 100s 50s Sachin- 101 4397 134 58.62 13 23 Dravid- 72 2124 109* 49.39 2 19 Ponting- 77 2670 124* 53.40 4 17
In Series Won Sachin- 127 5548 186* 51.37 19 26 Dravid- 76 2645 153 42.66 2 22 Ponting- 177 7245 145 47.98 18 45
In Test 100's in Tests India Won - 12 100's in Tests India Lost - 8 100's in Test Drawn - 15
Holds the record of maxium number of 100's for loosing team...That means a lone warrior..Thats why once Indian Cricket Team was called as ONE MAN ARMY!!!!
More Intresting Part!!!!!!!! Often said Sachin gets fail at crunch situation...Well 1st we must admit that when Sachin on the crease Win is sure...As soon Sachin gets out..the situation becomes crunchy!!! Sachin is out,now who will win match for us?? Dravid ?? or Sehwag?? or Yuvraj?? Or Ganguly?? No one sure who will win match for them... So bcoz of this thing Teams targets Sachin as the most precious wicket... Nasser Hussain introduced Negative lines for Sachin Tendulkar to stop the flow of runs when he is on wicket!!! Local umpires also involved some times to help their team against Sachin Tendulkar,espeically Australians! Some incidents striking in my mind...I think Sachin is the player who got out maximum numbers of times bcoz of bad or wrong decision by Umpires..I m producing those incidents only which I remember,there may be many other too
1. 92 - out of a NO ball from Frankline Rose against West Indies in 1997 at Bridgetown..Remember India lost the test just by 38 runs..U can just imagine how much that bad decision effected the result of the match!!!
2. 83 - Out of a NO ball again..[don't remember the bowler] last test in WestIndies in 1997.Draw Test.
3. 67- LBW off Crains..last test against NewZealand in 1999, was not out coz the ball pitched outside the legstump.Match Drawn
4. 61 - caught at forward shortleg,bowler Shane Warne.against Australia at Adelaide in 1999.. the ball touched the thigh pads and Umpire Darel Harper gave him out.. India were 107 for 4 when Ganguly joined Sachin and they put on 108 runs for the 5th wicket..
5. 0 - LBW bowler Macgrath..against Australia at Adelaide in 1999,same test, nothing more to say..Everyone remember that FOOLISH decision
6. 52 - LBW bowler Shane Warne,Umpire David Shepherd,against Australia at Melbourne in 1999, were chasing 356 as a target on the fourth day.
7. 45 - LBW bowler Macgrath,UmpireIan Robinson,against Australia at Sydney in 2000, the ball seemed to hit him too high and was going on leg stump, In that very over,Tendulkar had pulled a short one from Macgrath for two,and hooked the next two for boundaries,and a ball later punched the fast bowler back past him for the 3rd four of the over
8. 16 - caught behind off Waqar Younis,against Pakistan at Perth in 2000, it was must win situation for India to qualify in the final , scored 16 runs of 9 balls,hitted 3 fours in one over of Waqar Younis and 1 off Wasim Akram on the fastest pitch of the world,India were chasing 260 odd runs...
9. 0 - LBW bowler Gillespie,Umpire Bucknor,against Australia at Brisbane in 2003 funny thing is that the bowler not applead for the LBW... MR.Bucknor gave the decision of his own
10. 0 - caught behind off Lee,against Australia at Melbourne in 2003,ball touched the thigh pads and umpire given him out.
11. 54 - caught behind,Umpire Bucknor,against Pakistan at Kolkata in 2005, I think we all seen that decison, theball was not near to his pad,gloves,helmet,arm.. no where...
There may be so many other incident like this...Teams like Australia taking help from the umpires to stop Tendulkar... the 1999-2000 tour of Australia proves it..
THIS IS THE ANSWER TO ALL WHO HATE SACHIN TENDULKAR
And the last thing is that Sachin played 11 years [1989-2000] in the era where his own team mates involved in match fixing.. So despite of his brilliant knocks we failed to win the match just bcoz others not contirbuting..Yuo can win ODI's just wid ur own batting but u can't win test matches wid one innings bcoz test played for 5 days its a 4 inning game..Still Tendulkar's record in that era is Awesome.. and remember The awe of opponents was as great as that of crowds. But the finest compliment must be that bookmakers would not fix the odds - or a game - until Tendulkar was out.
In yesterday's match Sachin gave us a good example of what he is capable of. I just hope he carries on with this positive approach. Its just that he gets bogged down and brings about hs downfall.No bowler torments Sachin, it is Sachin's own defensive approach that sets him back. Best of luck to the rest of the world now that the Maser Blaster has proven his abilities again!!!!!
My sympathy is with all the die hard critics of sachin.Sorry folks he shut your mouth again.Ponting and Lara have dismal records in India.But still our critics hold them in very high esteem.Sachin has scored a test hundred against all teams in their own backyard.He has scored a 100 at Perth the fastest track in the world at the age of 18.He has smashed Shane Warne the best spinner in the history of the game to all corners of the ground.He has scored 7 centuries in Australia and South Africa.He was the Man of the series in the world cup in South Africa.On numerous occassions he has given a flying start but the team has failed to capitalize on those starts.We cannot hold a single player responsible for the failure of a team.Pls learn to support our heroes.They are also human and there are bound to be some failures .But please all baseless criticism should be stopped.
RE:SACHIN THE GREAT
by Ankit on Feb 02, 2007 12:13 AM
It's alright Mandar and Mihir. Some people will never appreciate what they have. We have a Jewel in our crown in the form of Sachin!! But who can stop dogs from barking.....
Where are those people who were shouting and asking Tendulkar to get out of the team...in day before yesterday's postings? Now world can see that there is a difference between 'The Good' and 'The Phenomenal'!!! isn't it?
sachin plays only for his records.he is not of any use to the teams cause. without his india could do much better,not only now but even during his hay days. how many matches has he won for india in difficult conditions? compared to steve waugh,lara,ponting,gilchrist this sachin is a very mediocre player. a real champion is the one who wins matches for the country,delivers at the crucial moments and matches,pressure situations,difficult condions and when the chips are down.sachin is incapable of delivering at such occations,and he goes on creating records during other times, which has no relevance for the teams cause.many times he has sacrificed teams victory for the sake of his personal score(e.g. sydney test in australia in 2002).it wil be good for india,if this selfish character leaves the team at the earliest.if he does not retire,he should be shown the door. arul. chennai.
RE:selfish sachin
by vikas sreedharan on Feb 01, 2007 03:59 PM
forgot wat happened in Sharjah cup 1998???when sachin and only sachin gave india the birth in the final and he took the air out of the mighty aussies........feel pity about u people.....its very easy to critisize sittting in front of your computer as rediff has given the oppurtunity to do...but it takes some getting to be in the international cricket scene for more than 15 years and still do good...do u people watch each and every cricket match aus/eng/windies play???you follow all the mathces India play and feel frustrated about each failure of Schin ...but you get to know only the best knocks of other so called gr8 players like gilchrist/ponty/waugh/lara........ask macgrath, shane warne...two quality bowlers inthe world...they fear sachin the most...and if u like to call his enviable record selfish...you require some medical attention.....
RE:RE:selfish sachin
by veer singh on Feb 01, 2007 04:36 PM
i agree with u dear friend.his records are enviable.he plays precisely for those records.he never plays for team's victory.moreover he is incapable of winning matches for india.he pisses under his pants when pressure mounts up.let him play just one match winning knock in a fourth innings of a test match.then i will accept him as a great player(leave alone genius)
RE:RE:RE:selfish sachin
by mihir rajda on Feb 01, 2007 05:15 PM
hw do u knw he pisses..hv u cleaned dem...sorry 4 u..cuz u dnt evn deserve 2 clean his pissed pants..u shld rather go n clean pants of waugh, lara n whoevr r ur heroes..let our sachin b wat he is..evn if he is selfish v r proud of him..n v wnt 11 such selfish players..n so may b u wnt agree 2 it..so better leave india n b with d othr countries..al d bst..cuz u will realise wat is d fear of evn sachin cmng to bat wen u r in support of an opponent team..good bye..god bless u..
RE:selfish sachin
by savita on Feb 02, 2007 01:20 PM
You sound like Lala amarnath who used to be frustrated when his sons were not given a chance in the Indian team. So you or soemone in your family can play better than Sachin and has not been selected for the Indian team?
RE:RE:RE:selfish sachin
by Ankit on Feb 02, 2007 12:26 AM
This "sa sa" guy/girl (whoever the hell you are) must have been Veer Singh's secretary. Thats how he knows how much cricket Veer Singh knows. I am sure he kept record of how many times a day his boss went to the bathroom also. But thats part of his dirty job I guess. I hope Veer Singh paid you well, "sa sa".
RE:RE:selfish sachin
by G Suresh on Feb 01, 2007 02:39 PM
Watched & played cricket More than u. I think what is written is to large extent true. Look at his records against teams not comprising ZIM/Bangla and outside the subcontinent. He has hardly won any matches for India. BEst example where he should have won the match & not done is Ind-WI 4th test 2002, WC Final( that pitch was 400 , the same pitch SA chased 434), Ind-Pak 2005 3rd test BLR, recently Ind-SA 2007, 2nd /3rd test....and many countless other tests. he is a player of records thats all, but i ll be reluctant to say he is a selfish player.
RE:RE:RE:selfish sachin
by G Suresh on Feb 01, 2007 02:41 PM
But i ll also go on to say that he is still very good to be in the indian playing 11. Only thing is don't call him a gr8 player. He as good and as bad as any other player in the team.
RE:RE:RE:RE:selfish sachin
by vikas sreedharan on Feb 01, 2007 04:04 PM
can i ask one thing to you...can you explain your definition of being a great player????????????????????
Only 2 days back people were all complaining about sachin and now they back him vociferously.
This is the problem with us. We do not accept the simple fact of nature EVERY HERO BECOMES A BORE ATLAST.
Sachin may have won many MOS awards, won so many player of the match awards, scored uncomparable degree of runs, but how effective they were. Rediff should also publish the statistics of how many of his runs saved INDIA FROM DEFEAT in comparison with ponting & lara.
RE:who cares
by savita on Feb 02, 2007 01:23 PM
why rediff? Have you not read pankaj's stats in reply to some Anil. maybe u have only posted that message with some other name. Both of you sound like brothers...