You are believed to be a thorough gentleman and nice guy on the field of play!! So pls do not defend one player and refuse to defend another player in your team!! If you can defend Kumble, then you should also have vehemently defended Sreesanth!! But you chose to take Sreesanth to task and now the poor fellow has been made to sit out of the 7 match ODI series!!
As a captain, you should be consistent in treating all your players fairly! You say Kumble was trying hard to win a test for India and so this heated exchange happened!! Are you defending what Kumble did or you are saying that Sreesanth was not trying hard enough for his country??
RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by Abhay T on Aug 14, 2007 03:29 PM
Wow! what a logic? There was big difference in the intensity of what Sreesanth did and what kumble did. How can you compare throwing a beamer and a verbal exchange? Throwing a beamer is almost similar to attempt of murder! In fact, Sreesanth should think himself lucky to get away with that incident.
RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by Utpal Parekh on Aug 14, 2007 03:38 PM
Throwing a beamer is equal to attempt of murder???? Then why do batsmen wear protective headgear??
Raman Lamba was killed cos he was NOT wearing a helmet!! KP was wearing a helmet, do you think he could still have been killed?? And i'am only comparing the two cos both were acts of trangression!! Sreesanth got carried away and did not bowl it on purpose!!
RE:RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by Abhay T on Aug 14, 2007 04:37 PM
Don't make fool of yourself that one can throw such balls by mistake. Although helmet reduces the chances of fatal inuries, Helmet doesn't necessarily protect you always. It depends on where you get hit and there were many occasions where players got injured despite having a helmet. And what about the huge no ball? Was it a mistake as well. There is a limit on how far you go. In Kumble's case anger was justified. There was reason for Sreesanth to behave like that. It only proves his poor mental ability and that clearly refelected in his inconsistant performance. If he continues like this, he will end up becoming another Shoaib, who only hits headlines. For better performance, one need more discipline in bowling like McGrath and Brett Lee.
RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by Utpal Parekh on Aug 14, 2007 05:23 PM
Mr Abhay, you are talking like an absolute idiot!! Someone who lacks even a semblance of common sense!! First of all, try and understand why Sreesanth would want to maim or kill KP?? There is absolutely no reason for him to do that!! Beamers get bowled cos of excessive sweat by which the ball slips, simply SLIPS!! Pls do not ascribe any motive to it!! Bret Lee had bowled one to Brendon Mcullum, an apology followed and that was that!! Holding had bowled one to Anshuman Gaekwad which hit him hard on the side of the head!! Gaekwad was not killed!!
So helmets protect almost completely!! They are designed to be that way!! The fear is that if a ball hits square, it might cause a mild concussion which keeps a player out for atleast six months!! EVEN IF A GUY IS HIT ON THE HEAD FLUSH, THERE SHOULD BE NO INTRA CEREBRAL HAEMOHHRAGIC CONCUSSIONS!! If this condition is not satisfied, the Helmet will not get passed in quality control!! Whatever little cricket i have played, this is based on my knowledge!! If you still think otherwise, get the facts, don't yap and talk without taking cognizance of facts!! And make a fool of yourself!!
In Sreesanth's case there was no motive whatsoever!!
Raman Lamba's example had been given to substantiate my argument that helmet would have saved his life!! In KPs case, the blow would not have been as hard as the blow that Lamba took on the head!! Still helmet would have saved his life!!
RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by Gundappa on Aug 14, 2007 06:16 PM
Beamer is totally intentional. We have seen many great bowlers in past who had never delivered even a single beamer in their entire career. Beamer is fatal, although it is delivered just to frighten the batsman
RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by Atul Thakur on Aug 14, 2007 06:03 PM
hey guys........... sreesanth got fined for brushing the shoulder with Vaughan.......... not for beamer........ and whether unintentional or intesional you can never prove that it was intentional.......... i dont think kuble should be fined coz it was just a small thing........ and about sreesanth he didnt bowl well in second match although he his good prospect for india........ he is just thrown out from these 7 one days but he is very much capable of coming back...... i think they should not have fined sreesanth coz they didnt fine ponting whe he abused umpires and england team in 2005 ashes......... ponting was not fined when third umpire gave sachin not out and he started saying things to him........ then slater long back ........ why should they fine indian players........ if you see australian players then you ll think that indian players are much better...... even Rahul dravid is very good...........
RE:RE:RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by Baiju Baburajan on Aug 14, 2007 04:58 PM
It is obvious u havent played competitive cricket Mr.Abhay.....beamers can happen accidentally...in fact any kind of a ball can happen accidentally....why would bowlers bowl wides otherwise.....according to ur logic wides are also intentional....Grow up man. Verdicts on behaviour patterns on a cricket field has to be consistent without a doubt and not based on subjective opinion of some nut saying kumble was trying hard & Sreesanth crossed the line....theres no difference between the incidents involving Kumble & Sreesanth.
RE:Rahul Dravid : Learn to be consistent!!
by suman singh on Aug 14, 2007 07:41 PM
Bret Lee bowled beamers in three consecutive matches. Beamers shouldn't be bowled, period. Mcgrath and Lee can't be role models for bowlers for their overall character as both have been involved in unsportsmanship behaviour. Do you remember the McGrath and Sarwan standoff in Westindies and Bret Lee beamers against NZ.
above dravid saying kumble was trying hard to bring victory for india, yes Mr.dravid you made every bowler to work hard and made them tired by yr poor decision by not opting followon, but yesterday you made a harsh comments during your interview to atherton about indian fans. your words really souded stupid. yesterday on the field except you everone was trying hard to turn the match and win which suppose to have been easy victroy if we opted follow on. If you watched yesterday he was so cool and laughing on the field but all others like kumble, sreesanth. khan, rp tendulkar - everybody is fighting hard for victory. as u said dravid if you cannot bat or field continuosly for 2innings, so better take rest at home, but dont spoil indian cricket. this is international cricket not street cricket, but yesterday yr comments sounded like you are a street cricketer. if you feel you have tough season ahead and players need some rest, and who ever thinks like that than play either only test or ODI, we have lots of young players waiting in the que. but you cannot offord to make such stupid decesion.
RE:not right
by Arvind Ramakrishnan on Aug 14, 2007 02:58 PM
Mr.Promod, u r missing the whole point. had dravid made them bat again & if they stick till the end of the 5th day, then wht you would tell? you would be telling that b'cos dravid chose to field, England saved the game.it's all decisions made by the captain by consulting the players & the conditions & not by excitment. yes, there is indeed tough for players after bowling 90 odd overs. so, it's all in the team's sake that's it.
RE:not right
by Abhay T on Aug 14, 2007 03:34 PM
You seem to have lot of myths about follow on. Go and check the record, whenevr India forced a follow on in away matches, it was still a draw. Follow on only makes sense when conditions favour you and don't tell me those light showers were favourable to our bowlers. Overall it was always a batting pitch. India only lost wickets because of their carelessness and over confidence. Zeheer was already tired and injured. So, it made sense to not to force follow on
RE:not right
by Yaswant Pradhan on Aug 14, 2007 04:49 PM
If India did not force follow-on because of the injuries, that's fair and fine. (But this highlights another issue - FITNESS. I can't blame the players; they have been playing a lot these days). Otherwise it was utter nonsense; I do play in England and the weather conditions ( the duke ball) do help a lot for early reverse swing. India had a good chance but the confidence to win the game!
RE:not right
by seejo paul on Aug 14, 2007 04:40 PM
Dear frnd,records may say that 9 out of 10 India didnt win the match if India had enforced follow on.But one thing u shud not forget,if at all India have a chance to win the match it was possible only by enforcing follow on.If u luk at the result if India had a few more overs to bowl,say a 25-30 overs more, then India cud have easily made them all out.Wats wrong in trying for a win even if chances are less, rather than waste even the available chance.I dont think wat Dravid said was true,it was his fear of failure than bowlers was tired.If England cud cover our score and had given India a target of 150, Dravid was afraid of such a possibilty.He wud have in his mind wat happened in Trendbridge, when they gave a total of 70 odd runs.India was struggling to get that.Not only that even if it was any other team low fourth innings total cud be a tricky one.But thats a negative feeling.Being the captain of India one shud expect him to be aggressive.
RE:not right
by aswin g on Aug 14, 2007 04:24 PM
I dont know how u people forget the past,,, the same dravid has score 2500 runs in the 21 test matches won by india during gangulys captaincy.. at an average of 102... can u site one player who is helping like dravid did to ganguly in his captaincy now...
more over dont forget that when india made 628 at headingly dravid made a double century continuously batting for 2 days.. he has more double century than any indian.. dont make a mockery of his fitness without knowing the records..
and for the stats do u remember the test match played in pakistan when the openers dravid and sehwag scored 410... do u know how many days dravid was on the field continuously... it was 4 days after pakistan finished their innings and dravid opened..
so people pls dont write some idiotic things since u have a blog for typing.. know the records history and write..
just one decision of follow-on doesnt mean anything.. remember wat happened to steve waugh when he enforced follow-on during the calcutta test..
ok what happened in the sydney test then we were in a similar position.. we scored 704 runs did not enforce the follow-on and the match ended in a draw against australia resulting in a drawn series... we missed the same opportunity under ganguly... y u people forget these things..
RE:not right
by jahida vv on Aug 14, 2007 05:17 PM
Thank God... Atlast i coulf find some one with some cricketing brains on this site!!!! All others are so biased....... It seems all the people who write here are more interested in Ganguly scoring runs or Sachin hitting a century that a collective perfomance for an Indian Win!!! This remind me of one person saying to me here in Dubai... He was a pakistani... He used to say that he wanted india to loose always but Azhar to score a century... I guess you get whay i am trying to say... Everybody thaought Indian selectors are more interested in zonal representation..... but i guess india cricket fans are more interested in their fav player scoring a hundred even if india looses!!!!
RE:not right
by Abhay T on Aug 14, 2007 03:25 PM
Chekc the record what happened 17 years back in 1990 when Indian made 600 runs in the first inning at oval, got them all out at 340 and forced a follow on. The match was still a draw. Dear, if you think indian bowlers got tired because not forcing follow on, it is a baseless argument. On the other hand, it would have been difficult for them to bowl 2.5 days consistantly. The decision of follow on depends on whether the conditions suit our bowlers, which was not the case. In fact, all probability England players would have hammered 450 runs. If KP had survived little more, they would have even hammered 500 runs. In that case, India would have required to make 200 runs in 30-40 overs. So, playing on 4th day was a better option. This is not a fear. Its the fact! India has never won a match in away matches whenever it forced a follow on. Also, Dravid must have hoped for a better assistance to our spinners on final day. These TV channels are after TRP and some websites are after traffic. So, they make cheap and misguided statements.
It was a great gesture from Kevin. Not many english players are famous for this kind of spirit.
But, it is not something to be encouraged.
With the kind of equipment available, and wide range of powers, anything that does not pertain to pure cricket or is abusive or improper, should be strictly dealt with.
Punishment could be sitting out for a number of matches, depending upon the extent of offence.
RE:Great gesture
by U get what U deserve on Aug 14, 2007 12:16 PM
just to add on to u'r comment, may be Kevin is like this b'cause he is not british... :)
Tell you what, Kevin is a wonderful guy. Plays his cricket with dignified ferocity. AK (Anil) is as good a guy and it is nice that KP did not make a big thing out of an ordinary event.
India Won. Point to note : No Test Hundred for any top player (batsman. Contribution made by all. Proves that team does not need big players just players who contribute and players who have big hearts.
RE:we won
by pradeep agarwal on Aug 14, 2007 12:15 PM
It is good to see India win a series in Englad after 21 yrs. There is a real need to view our dependence on the veterans who almost lost the 1st test & collapsed in last inning with 300 lead even when England was without their key fast bowlers.We will be better of if the famous 4 now quit gracefully & allow the youngsters in team.
Inspite of scoring huge 664 runs, Indian batsmen failed to capitalize and hence technically, India lost the match and series is tied. England played will in both the Innings scoring 300 runs. I am a true cricket player and expressing 100% truth here.
RE:India lost the match technically
by ganesh shyam on Aug 14, 2007 11:26 AM
Agree with u bcoz with 500 runs to chase shud hv won...but really we dont have International level bowlers in fast or slow as we hv always been a inconsistent team.Moreover our players except a couple were laid back & relaxed as we hv already won the series...any how congrats for the good effort
RE:India lost the match technically
by Murthy RSR on Aug 14, 2007 12:10 PM
I am happy that Umpire/Judge/Referee Prof Rajesh didnt say that india technically "lost" the series as it was rain which saved india lose the test. Rajesh is 'Technically" unfit to make any judgement
RE:India lost the match technically
by Shishir on Aug 14, 2007 11:31 AM
Biggest crap I've ever heard! I mean...for God's sake try and learn to acknowledge and give credit at least when its due! Hate the way people "assume" legitimacy of their opinions...
Cogngratulations India! Way to go... Now is it that hard to say Mr. True Cricket Player?
RE:India lost the match technically
by muralidharan jayapal on Aug 14, 2007 05:48 PM
If Scoring 664 runs is considered a failure, then what will make you happy? will you still feel the same way if England scored 664 and India managed a draw?
RE:India lost the match technically
by suresh vaggannavar on Aug 14, 2007 11:05 AM
100 % truth whats that?????????? whats the conclusion???? India won the series hahahahahaha. Technical or Mechanical we know that India won the series.
RE:Dravid ko fek do
by suresh vaggannavar on Aug 14, 2007 11:16 AM
Kaun Sa Gaon se aaye ho mamu??? Tu kya Allhau-Din Ka Chirag hai jo bolega woh ho jaayega. Tu je to India se bahar fek dena chahiye. Afganistan ya phir Pakistan
