Marathi ppl are native to Belgaum, they are not migrants. There is a dispute going on since independence. Yet KT is forcing Marathi ppl to speak Kannada, not allowing Marathi speakers to come to power democratically and peacefully in Belgaum.. recent example where the mayor of belgaums election was annulled. ... and worst the beating up of Marathi ppl by KT police at any sign of protest.
Re: I dont understnd why Marathi ppl are being beaten up by KT po
by Dinesh R on Jul 17, 2010 09:45 AM
yes man...they are beaten up like dogs. and also flogged in public. The police go from door to door....are you a marathi...are you a marathi? then they take them and beat them up. ohhh....how cruel.
any more propaganda? Kashmiris could take a lesson or two from you
Re: Re: I dont understnd why Marathi ppl are being beaten up by K
by howudoudo on Jul 17, 2010 10:16 AM
are you a kannadiga...? i can see the sadistic and inhuman satisfaction in your response.
Re: Re: Re: I dont understnd why Marathi ppl are being beaten up
by Harsha Kumar on Jul 17, 2010 10:37 AM
Manoos bhai, you can wait a few years. Your aamchi Mumbai will have Marathi-speakers as the minority. Then, WILL YOU agree if the govt. makes Mumbai a Union Territory, or appends it to the state of UP/Bihar (since the dominant language will become Hindi)? If your answer is YES, then please go ahead and take Belgaum. Otherwise please keep quiet and carry on with your business. You cannot claim Belgaum on the basis of language and refuse to give up Mumbai. So it will be good for you all if you realise that language cannot be the sole criterion for including a place in a state. Historical accidents do happen, and they sometimes have to be left alone. I am sure we all realize that ultimately Maharashtra and Ktka belong to the same country.
Re: Re: Re: Re: I dont understnd why Marathi ppl are being beaten
by howudoudo on Jul 17, 2010 10:51 AM
UP Bihari Hindiwallahs are migrants, who have not assimilated with the local population, their language and culture. So dont confuse Belgaum situation with mass-migration happening in Mumbai.
I would request you work your energies towards UP Bihari politicians to first stay put in UP Bihar itself and second concentrate on development in UP Bihar, and not teach Indian nationality to fellow indians.
Re: I dont understnd why Marathi ppl are being beaten up by KT po
by Ramesh T on Jul 17, 2010 09:34 AM
Karnatak State has always some Problems with all their neighbouring state,whether it is land or water distribution.
Re: Re: I dont understnd why Marathi ppl are being beaten up by K
by Santosh FS on Jul 17, 2010 10:38 AM
No. It's the other way around. all neighbouring states have problems with Karnataka.
Re: most states are incompetent
by pradeep singh on Jul 17, 2010 09:24 AM
next step will be to issue visa to travel with in indian states. Imagine visa n passport checking counter at all bouader crossings
Re: most states are incompetent
by Harsha Kumar on Jul 17, 2010 10:41 AM
Goa will get spoilt by those fellows. For God's sake, please spare Goa. It is one of the few nice places left in India.
Re: There are many such cases...
by dennis john on Jul 17, 2010 09:15 AM
OOty,You got in wrong.There is no Kannada speaking people there.Strictly it is apart of Tamil Nadu.Karnataka can only northern part of Kasargod(Beyond Netravati River).
Re: There are many such cases...
by BloodHound on Jul 17, 2010 09:26 AM
Ooty !!! WTF. Its a proper tamil speaking area and its well withing the TN border nowhere close to karnataka. If at all you want to seperate out ooty it could go to kerala.
Re: There are many such cases...
by satish g on Jul 17, 2010 09:25 AM
Well Said Mr Samyak Gowda. Your Statment "The best is leave them as they are and not dig anymore filth out of it" is the solution. I am from Pune. I visited Mangalweda which Comes under Solapur District(Maharashtra) for my office work. I found majority of the people speaking Kannada. Later I got to know that Karnataka border was 5 kms from Managalwedha. This place is officially in Maharashtra but there are hardly any marathi speaking people. So we should leave things as it is. There are other issues which requires govt's attention...
It's shame to see to fight within ourselves, due to our democracy, i.e ruled by our politicians. And nowadays it is going to the most danger end. At last the citizens are suffered whom don't think about it.
Last 60 years what development has happened in Vidhrbaha.First Maharastra must think about it.Gulbarga and Karwar developed just,because it was a part of Karnataka.Maharahtra must learn to look after first what they have with them.
What Maharahtra doing is like, just a stupid husband trying to woo the good looking sister in law and ditching the average looking wife.
Re: First care about the Backward Vidharbha
by Hscrutiny on Jul 17, 2010 09:35 AM
very rightly said.They have ignored vidarbha all these times. when ppl from this region are proposing separate vidarbha state now they are trying to pamper it.
Re: First care about the Backward Vidharbha
by SACHIN DESAI on Jul 17, 2010 09:16 AM
my dear friend karwar has not developed karwar is still backward area and most of youth depend on goa for employment. rather 90% of people are depend on goa for employment.dont be in dream that karwar is developed
Re: Re: First care about the Backward Vidharbha
by dennis john on Jul 17, 2010 09:21 AM
Have you been Karwar? 7 storied structure is not the evidence,that a distrct is devloped or Not.There is enough devlopment there.Sea Bird and Kaiga power project is in Karwar.
First think about the poor Vidharba,whay naxalism is rampant in Vidharbha districts.They people from Marathwada an Kokan always tried destroy Vidharbha.
Re: Re: First care about the Backward Vidharbha
by spring on Jul 17, 2010 12:20 PM
do you know education standrard in north canara? people are not poor beggar in district. most of them living in big cities or abroad. town look small because of less population. not because development. we don't need big industry and outsider come our place spoil it.
We are a part of a greater country called India. What does it matter if Belgaum is a part of Karnataka or Maharashtra. I have studied in Belgaum for 4 years and I personally feel this is a non issue kept alive by vested interests. When our energy should be for nation building, people are indulging in divisive issues and these people has nothing better to do in life.
Re: Why?
by BRAD PITT on Jul 17, 2010 10:14 AM
Well said, Mathew. I agree with what u said 100%, useless people with no work only indulge in such worthless issues to ramp up their bank balance.
Instead of using precious energy for the nation's development, they are being wasted on divisive issues.
Re: Why?
by samson judas on Jul 17, 2010 09:21 AM
Dear Friend you are absolutely right! The politicians are answerable to the peope & the Centre, as to what worthwhile causes they hv solved. Their energy should be on the need of the hour! Thats, employment, housing, etc. for the people. They hv to be answerable as to what they hv done in their tenure to improve the lives of the people around them! They are passing time & having fun by creating chaos, & diverting the real issues!! Long live these Politicians!!
In the time when KA govt wanted status quo Maharashtra has admitted that 260 villages in MH were Kannada-speaking ones. If they've admitted this why they don't want to transfer those areas?? Have they kept them as ransom of Belgaum?? Was that a mistake to accept that?? Point is it doesn't really matter for people living there. They just want roti-kapda-makan.
Re: MH wants ransom
by deetee on Jul 17, 2010 04:05 AM
this is such a artificial problem. With rising inflation, growing corruption and the threat of terrorism do you think people of Maha/Karnataka care about all this?? Rahul Dravid is a Marathi speaking guy whose family hails from indore and is now settled in Bangalore. Maharashtra has losts its numero uno economic status in India- maharashtrian politicians should worry more about that than anything else
Re: MH wants ransom
by bharatiya on Jul 17, 2010 12:19 AM
i'm from maharashtra and i want you to take everything... pune, mumbai, solapur, kolhapur, nagpur... take entire maharashtra and all marathis... will that make you happy? or should we rename india as karnataka? grow up man. think beyond village, town, district and state boundries.
Re: Re: MH wants ransom
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 12:34 AM
Kolhapur office of zee 24 taas vandalisd reportdly by shiv sainiks. Reason: Karnataka leadr invitd for a show on belgaum.
Re: Re: MH wants ransom
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 17, 2010 12:32 AM
yeah?? take belgaum, take karwar, take dharwar, take tanjavore, take attock to cuttack, take entire india... will that make you happy? or should we rename india as maharastra? grow up man.. in ur face.
Re: Re: Re: MH wants ransom
by spring on Jul 17, 2010 12:23 PM
who are you to give karwar and writing nonsense from bengaluru. i am from karwar and north karnataka and belgaum belong to karnataka period
we should also lay claim to pandharpur becoz vitthala hails from karnataka.marathi saints like tukaram and gyaneshwar themselves have said "kanadi vittala karnataku".so give us pandharpur.
Re: pandharpur is ours
by bharatiya on Jul 16, 2010 08:10 PM
take everything... pandharpur, solapur, kolhapur, pune, nagpur, mumbai... also take viththal, sai baba, tukaram, gyaneshwar... entire maharashtra and all marathis... happy? grow up man!
Re: Re: pandharpur is ours
by sumana on Jul 16, 2010 07:35 PM
HOYSALA KING VISNUVARDHANA BUILT THE TEMPLE. SO IT SHOULD RIGHTFULLY BELONG TO KARNATAKA.
Re: Re: Re: pandharpur is ours
by bharatiya on Jul 16, 2010 08:08 PM
take everything... pandharpur, solapur, kolhapur, pune, nagpur, mumbai... also take viththal, sai baba, tukaram, gyaneshwar... entire maharashtra and all marathis... happy? grow up man!
Re: pandharpur is ours
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 16, 2010 08:04 PM
pandharpur neither belongs to b'lore nor to mumbai. it belongs to it's people. it being part of maharastra is justified. to claim over such place will only make us (kannadigas) look like fools. stopit
Come and say this once in Solapur, YOU WILL LOSE ON YOUR FACE.
Solapur City in 1947 also had, as many Marathi speakers as Kannada speakers. Plus it had Telugu speakers. And last it had MUSLIMS ABOUT 15%, WHO ARE HINDI SPEAKERS. Kannada IS NOT MAJORITY IN SOLAPUR NOR BELGAUM.
Thus SOLAPUR DOES NOT BELONG TO KANNADA SPEAKERS EVEN BY LAW.
GODS ALWAYS SPEAK THE TRUTH.
SHRI SWAMI SAMARTH SPENT MANY YEARS IN AKKALKOT. AS I KNOW, MOST OF HIS DISCIPLES AND HE HIMSELF VERY OFTEN, SPOKE IN MARATHI.
Regarding Belgaum, Marathi speakers were always twice than Kannada people, despite rule of Queen Chennamma etc.
YOU CAN ALWAYS KEEP KANNADA SPEAKING PART OF BELGAUM WITH YOU, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT NIPANI-SANKESHWAR-KHANAPUR-BHALKI-BIDAR-AND BELGAUM CITY. THESE REGIONS HAVE 80% MARATHI SPEAKERS.
Re: WHAT SOLAPUR
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 16, 2010 08:14 PM
you are either mislead by chuvanist marathi news papers or you are trying to make others fool. Solapur or Belgaum many such places are bilingual. No one can dispute presence of large marathi population in solapur or kannada population in belgaum. MH while claiming Belgaum and other villages said it's ready to hand over 260 villages including solapur to karnataka. mahajan commission also accepted the case of solapur to karnataka but rejected case of belgaum to MH-- becoz belgaum WAS dominant kannada place in past, which has lost majority to marathi speakers since around 70 years back. also surrounded by kannada speaking villages by 3 sides it poses huge adminstrative problem.
so say that marathi speakers were twice in ancient past is incorrect. academicians from both karnataka, MH have accepted this. only politicians don't accept it. i believe in academicians, you believe in politicians.
regarding swami samarth: in districts NOT bordering MH spiritual movement was marathi in nature because in past it's under huge influence of maratha kingdom and bombay state. spiritual movements are not indication of anything.
Re: WHAT SOLAPUR
by Manjunath Srikantiah on Jul 17, 2010 03:07 AM
Let me put as to what Mahajan Commission report said on Belgaum. Here are the excerpts
“ Maharashtra’s claim for Belgaum is of recent origin. Though tabled in Parliament, Maharashtra MPs, especially from the treasury benches, did not vote against the amendment of Belgaum being part of their state. Belgaum is a cosmopolitan city. In 1920, when the AICC session was held in Belgaum, not a single leader from Maharashtra including N C Kelkar demanded that it be part of that state. Geographically, Kannada areas surround the city of Belgaum on three sides and by a smattering of villages belonging to Maharashtra on the fourth. Reorganisation will cause extreme hardship. Status quo should be maintained. From the records of rights of Belgaum city, it is seen that a majority of lands belong to Kannadigas. All the original records in the offices of the amlatdar and collector are in Kannada. On the appreciation of the whole material and assessing it objectively, I have reached the conclusion that I cannot recommend the inclusion of Belgaum city in the state of Maharashtra. ”
Re: Re: WHAT SOLAPUR
by nikla tapala on Jul 17, 2010 06:33 AM
Reorganisation will cause extreme hardship ? Is that a reason for inclusion ? Land records in kanada ? they were in English and Urdu in the North of India so should these parts go to England and Pakistan ? Please let us have some logic and NOT Kanada South Indian Idli Dosa Logic . Mahajan was a corrupt and stupid Punjabi who in 1950 knew nothing of the country having come fresh of the train from Sialkot ! If Marathi speakers were in the majority then those areas MUST be in Maharshtra ! The economy and contiguity of Belgaum are linked to Kolhapur and Sangli so that is another factor , look up te census and ALL MARATHI speaking majority areas contiguous to Maharshta must be in the state . nothing else will do !
Re: Re: confused
by Manjunath Srikantiah on Jul 17, 2010 03:12 AM
U are a fool to say that people have not migrated.Historically this region belonged to kannadigas and during the Peshwa rule marathis moved into this region.
This has been beautifully summed up by famous historian and civil servant of the erstwhile Bombay presidency John Faithfull Fleet in his book "The Dynasties of the Kanarese Districts of the Bombay Presidency" (1894), which incidentally forms a part of the Gazetteer of the Bombay Presidency (Vol-1, Part-II, Book-III) [4] . The first page of the book explains the ground realities of the time, which goes as, “ In defining the limits of the Kanarese language, on the west and north may be designated "by a line drawn from Sadashivgad (Karwar), to the westward of Belgaum, Hukkeri through Kagal and Kurundwad, passing between 'Keligaon' and 'Pandegaon' through Brahmapuri on Bhima and Sholapur and thence east, to the neighbourhood of Bidar. This however wrongly excludes Kolhapur. As for Sholapur which now officially counts as a Marathi District, Kanarese is still, to a great extent the vernacular of south east corner of it. And there are Kanarese inscriptions of the Western Chalukyas, Kalachurya and Devagiri Yadavas of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries and some later ones, at Sholapur itself, and at Kudal and Mohol in that district, and at Karajgi, Kudal, and Tadwal in the Akalkot state.
Re: Re: confused
by Kesari Kannadiga on Jul 16, 2010 08:20 PM
true. no one here in belgaum district claim marathi speakers as outsiders. marriages b/w families of different language is common. city is bilingual in nature. hence marathi speakers have same claim over as kannada speakers. but THIS doesn't mean kannada speakers are outsider. understand this. kannada speakers are more native to the place as attested by academicians/historians. it being part of state of karnataka makes no harm to marathi speakers. if you don't believe this, then live in ur dream. there are 17 lakh marathi speakers outside belgaum in KA. they are happy. belgaum people too will be happy if untouched by chuvanist politicians.
Re: Re: confused
by Manjunath Srikantiah on Jul 17, 2010 03:17 AM
continued.....
In official language the four recognised Kanarese districts of this presidency viz. Belgaum, Bijapur and Dharwar collectorates together with the Kolhapur, Miraj and other Native states called the "Southern Maratha Country". A more misleading appellation, however it originated, could not well have been devised. It is true that, in one of the earliest inscriptions of Pulakesin II, this part of the country is included in what was known then and even many centuries before his time as Maharashtra. But this term meaning literally "the great country", does not inherently imply any of the racial and linguistic peculiarities which are now naturally attached to the terms 'Maratha' and 'Marathi', derived from it. In the whole area of so-called Southern Maratha country, not a single Marathi inscription has been discovered, of a greater age than two or three centuries. With the exception that two Prakrit records have been obtained at Banawasi in North Kanara and 'Malavalli' in Mysore, and that a few Prakrit words occur here and there in other records, the inscriptions are all either in pure Sanskrit or pure Kanarese, or in the two languages combined. This fact speaks of itself, as to what the vernacular of the country was in early times. In the present day, the people and the language of British districts are essentially Kanarese;
Re: Re: confused
by Manjunath Srikantiah on Jul 17, 2010 03:18 AM
Continued...
and the Kanarese people and language have been displaced , to a certain extent, by the Marathi people and language in the Native States, only because those States were established by the aggressions of the Marathas from the north, whose local influence proved to be greater than that of the native rulers whom they dispossessed. Even in the Native States, and in Marathi official correspondence, the Political Agent at Kolhapur is ,to the present day always addressed as the Political Agent, not of the "Dakshina Maharasthra" or "Southern Maratha Country, but of the "Karavira Ilakha and the Karnataka Prant ”
