RE:If SO Why the SONG Confusion?
by vinod john on Apr 30, 2007 01:07 PM Permalink
For your kind information, 2 2 =4 right, if so please check the christian population right the independence days ,its still the same 2% ,Dont have the wrong impression that all legal christian missionaries are here to convert.The church motive here is not indulge in convertion.
RE:If SO Why the SONG Confusion?
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 12:52 PM Permalink
what periyar did not mention that the chaturvarna was first adopted according to the division of work,not on the basis of caste.in history,we would find several intercaste,even inter religious marriage including friendship between different communities-rajput king married a bhil girl,sri krishna was a yadav who married several khsatriya girls,akbar and jehangir married rajput hindus,sri ram had a friend like guhak who was a chandal,laxman got knowledge from ravana when he was in death bed.so ancient india was not full of casteism.jabal stayakam was welcomed by maharishi goutam who termed satyakam as brahmin(satyakam had no registered father),chandragupta maurya got the title from her mother who was a dasi and chandragupta maurya and samrat ashoka were not the representative of upper castes.sufi movement,bhakti movement was against casteism and religious narrowness.sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda faught against casteism not balming the hinduism alone.so i think periyar missed and crossed the line.he could have mentioned the tolerism of hindus who gave place to other religious groups.there is not a single evidence in the ancient,medieval even in some parts of modern world in the field of religious tolerance in christian and islam country.also hinduism accomodated several different thoughts within a religion-here we have idol worship,nirakar god,even we get atheist philosophy,every person can woRship god in any foRm in this religion.hinduism is the only religion which never involved in forceful religious conversion.but pity is that periyar did not mention these positive sides.but sOme extent he spreaded a sense of hatred in the name of abolishing casteism.i donot know why.yes upper castes are very much responsible in many cases.but almost all of the great persons are from upper castes who made indians proud by their tallent,dedication not by their caste identity,what periyar also did not mention that many people from upper castes did several social reforms-RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY,ISWAR CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR were brahmin but did signficant social reform,sri ramakrishna vivekananda also did their best,upper caste personalities were greatly involved in the country's freedom struggle(subhas bose,tilak,nehru ,gandhi ,gokhale,bagha jatin,jatin das,lala ljpat and many names)where the leadership was maintained by them.even the great achiever of tamilnadu-srinivas ramanujam,cv raman was from upper castes.i donot know why he ignored all this.ok,but still he has a place in my mind for his movement for social justice which some extent changed as a movement of hatred at latter stage.
RE:PERIYAR ON BRAHMINISM
by mitali nautiyal on Apr 30, 2007 01:17 PM Permalink
I am a brahmin but i do not have any knowledge about what is wretten in the vedas or so. Do u still feel i am apt to be a brahmin.
Dear All, we already have lost enough intellectuals belonging to Brahmin community to US and UK. Brahmin's strength is academic based and it is no use cribbing that they have swindled Tamil Nadu with a 2.5% population. Periyar had his own agendas to oppose Brahmins. Most of his preachings will be funny like Tamil is a barbaric language, women should not live with one man etc etc. This film is made to make money and let it do what it was intended to do. I am sure that it is very difficult to stop a person from achieving something which he is determined to do. Jews rank No.1 and Brahmins rank No.2.
RE:Periyar's preachings
by sabu abraham on Apr 30, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
US AND UK ARE CHRISTIAN NATIONS.THEY ARE GREAT AND QUALITY PEOPLE,THEY TREAT EVERY RELIGION AND CASTES AS EQUALS,THATS WHY BRAHMINS AND ALL OTHER COMMUNITIES ARE GOING TO USA AND UK. MY PERSONAL DOUBT IS WHY BRAHMINS ARE NOT GOING TO HINDU NATIONS LIKE NEPAL AND BHUTAN?
RE:Periyar's preachings
by kumar kn on Apr 30, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
US christians are more open minded than indian converts. Only the us and uk people are inviting brahmins.
RE:Periyar's preachings
by sabu abraham on Apr 30, 2007 02:05 PM Permalink
MR.KUMAR,CHRISTIANS ALL OVER THE WORLD ARE CONVERTS.ALL CHRISTIAN WHITE PEOPLE ARE CONVERTED FROM PAGAN RELIGION.NOW PAGAN RELIGION IS MINORITY AND ITS WORLD POPULATION IS BELOW .001% ONLY.THE VAST MAJORITY PAGANS CONVERTED TO CHRISTIANITY BECAUSE THEY UNDERSTOOD PAGANISM IS IDOL WORSHIPING FAKE RELIGION.
RE:Periyar's preachings
by Ganesan Krishnan on Apr 30, 2007 12:48 PM Permalink
I strongly believe when i see the history of time in tn, the state as such is better than other indian states now than when the brahmin's were here in large numbers..let them go to US and UK...no issues
Your article clearly states that he is 4 pass (or napass).Idiots like him just to drouse their hurt egos start of a movement.the consequesces are there to see.example Kerala where HINDUS are a minority and christins and muslims are the majority and to sell the tourism industry the advertise GODS OWN COUNTRY .Hindus have been confused and split in all accounts by vested politicans in the last 50 years.and a day will come where they will be a minority in their own land.God save our future Hindu Generation.
RE:'Periyar was against Brahminism, not Brahmins'
by Anil Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 01:01 PM Permalink
HINDUS ARE NOT MINORITY IN KERALA, THEY REPRESENTING 52%, BY CAST WISE THEY ARE
MINORITIES AND REMEMBER THE CAST SYSTEM IS
NOT CREATED BY THE POLITICIANS, IT WAS CREATED
BY THE UPPERCAST HERE THOUSAND OF YEARS BACK,THAT WAS ONLY FOR UPPERCAST ADVANTAGES
To all Brahmin Bashers and Similarly to all SC/ST/OBC Bashers as well as to religion bashers and caste bashers . To all Hindi Speaking Bashers as well as to all Tamil Speaking Bashers as well as to all other regional language speaking bashers
RE:India is not Yugoslavia for God Sake!!!!!!!!!
by Yuvaraj Jayprakash Bhosale on Apr 30, 2007 12:43 PM Permalink
keep it up akash. they have to realise that god is the supreme father we all are brothers
I pity the author because he do not know what is the real meaning of brahmin and brahminism. The word brahmin comes from "Brahmam" which means the entire "brahmandam" or the universe. A person who is in union with the universe is called brahmin in vedas. Hence it is not a caste. Any person from East to West on the earth can be brahmin by becoming one with "Brahmam" or in simple form GOD. Better these so called social workers/writers go to some institutes like Vivekananda Kendra or Read Vedas in Veda Patashalas or visit nearest %u201CBrahmakumaris%u201D centre before giving definitions on brahmins. As regards Periyar he is the worst creature on earth. He lived lavishly at others cost and in the name of social reformation, enjoyed sex, wine and woomen and harrassed whoever opposed him and created division in Tamil Nadu. Tamil Nadu now stands last in most of the happenings. The is the legacy of periyar and dravidian partes
RE:Pity the author
by sabu abraham on Apr 30, 2007 01:02 PM Permalink
NO TAMILNADU STANDS NO.I IN MOST THINGS. I AM FROM KERALA,I LIKE TAMIL PEOPLE. THEY ARE GREAT.ALL INDIANS SHOULD LEARN SO MANY GOOD THINGS FROM TAMIL PEOPLE.AND REGARDING BRAHMAN AND BRAHMMANDAM WHAT YOU SAID IS CORRECT ONLY IN THEORY,BUT NOT IN PRACTICAL LIFE.
RE:Pity the author
by anantharaman venkatraman on Apr 30, 2007 01:12 PM Permalink
Arey, you can also be a brahmin by wearing a thread and claim to belong to Upper caste(provided you are ready to forego reservation and other benefits.) Are you ready?
RE:Pity the author
by on Apr 30, 2007 12:55 PM Permalink
Meaning and all the thins are ok man, why are spiliting the Hindu human beings because of their birth who gave the rights to you , these made SELF RESPECT movement in tamilnadu
RE:Pity the author
by kani on Apr 30, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
hey fool.... u r the worst creature in the earth... and u kind of people are living in the earth by traveling on others shoulders. u r the cheaters, what is brahmam etc... all the things u only made for ur covenience .... do u know history of gods and all big relegious person ...kanchi jeyanthira saraswathi ,kanchi kamakodi periyavar ... then it would come light who is wominizer, who is social worker ... don't write anything without analyzing any issue...just go though all gods stories all gods are womenizer only in most of thier life time....
i hope u shd be like this only..... now everybody knows everthing u people can't survive long as like this... try to work hard and eat ur rice... don't snatch others
RE:Pity the author
by sriram gupta on Apr 30, 2007 12:59 PM Permalink
Kick all racists, religionists, capitalists, etc... out from this country (NOT ENOUGH!! from this planet!!).
I pity the author because he do not know what is the real meaning of brahmin and brahminism. The word brahmin comes from "Brahmam" which means the entire "brahmandam" or the universe. A person who is in union with the universe is called brahmin in vedas. Hence it is not a caste. Any person from East to West on the earth can be brahmin by becoming one with "Brahmam" or in simple form GOD. Better these so called social workers/writers go to some institutes like Vivekananda Kendra or Read Vedas in Veda Patashalas before giving definitions on brahmins. As regards Periyar he is the worst creature on earth. He lived lavishly at others cost and in the name of social reformation, enjoyed sex, wine and woomen and harrassed whoever opposed him and created division in Tamil Nadu. Tamil Nadu now stands last in most of the happenings. The is the legacy of periyar and dravidian partes.
RE:Pity the Author
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 12:40 PM Permalink
I totally differ with Krishna's point of view as Periyar is the worst creature in the Earth. His social activism made the upper castes feel for their misdeeds in the name of untouchability. Now most of the right thinking brahmins do not practice untouchability but the OBCs discriminate Dalits in tamilnadu. The two tumbler system, puppet panchayat presidents, killing of non-puppet panchayat presidents are being done by OBCs against dalits. Periyar thought succeeded in bringing brahmins to task but failed with OBCs.
RE:Pity the Author
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 12:56 PM Permalink
what periyar did not mention that the chaturvarna was first adopted according to the division of work,not on the basis of caste.in history,we would find several intercaste,even inter religious marriage including friendship between different communities-rajput king married a bhil girl,sri krishna was a yadav who married several khsatriya girls,akbar and jehangir married rajput hindus,sri ram had a friend like guhak who was a chandal,laxman got knowledge from ravana when he was in death bed.so ancient india was not full of casteism.jabal stayakam was welcomed by maharishi goutam who termed satyakam as brahmin(satyakam had no registered father),chandragupta maurya got the title from her mother who was a dasi and chandragupta maurya and samrat ashoka were not the representative of upper castes.sufi movement,bhakti movement was against casteism and religious narrowness.sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda faught against casteism not balming the hinduism alone.so i think periyar missed and crossed the line.he could have mentioned the tolerism of hindus who gave place to other religious groups.there is not a single evidence in the ancient,medieval even in some parts of modern world in the field of religious tolerance in christian and islam country.also hinduism accomodated several different thoughts within a religion-here we have idol worship,nirakar god,even we get atheist philosophy,every person can woRship god in any foRm in this religion.hinduism is the only religion which never involved in forceful religious conversion.but pity is that periyar did not mention these positive sides.but sOme extent he spreaded a sense of hatred in the name of abolishing casteism.i donot know why.yes upper castes are very much responsible in many cases.but almost all of the great persons are from upper castes who made indians proud by their tallent,dedication not by their caste identity,what periyar also did not mention that many people from upper castes did several social reforms-RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY,ISWAR CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR were brahmin but did signficant social reform,sri ramakrishna vivekananda also did their best,upper caste personalities were greatly involved in the country's freedom struggle(subhas bose,tilak,nehru ,gandhi ,gokhale,bagha jatin,jatin das,lala ljpat and many names)where the leadership was maintained by them.even the great achiever of tamilnadu-srinivas ramanujam,cv raman was from upper castes.i donot know why he ignored all this.ok,but still he has a place in my mind for his movement for social justice which some extent changed as a movement of hatred at latter stage.
No use complaining that Brahmins were in large numbers in the Civil Service, in Medical Legal and other professions. This happened because Brahmins took to Western Education before others, and not because they suppressed other communities. The white employer selected the qualified people. Then used the situation to divide the people. It is foolish to call oneself backward instead of working hard. Hurting poor Brahmin priests and abusing them will not remove the self-styled backwardness. There is merit in all communities, perhaps not the willingness to work hard.
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by Akram on Apr 30, 2007 12:53 PM Permalink
You are right. While other communities were busy fighting against British Rule Brahmin Forsee the future is western education and use the british education system to develop themselves.
Rather than fighting against British they worked hard with British & assisted them in ruling the country.
If other communities have done the same they would have also came up in life but the country would have not liberated from British rule.
But today the situation is even if you have merit and best education you cannot simple come up in life because all the top people are brahmin and will let only their people to grow.
Brahmin's sweat is more valuable than other's blood.
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by vinod ramasamy on Apr 30, 2007 01:06 PM Permalink
Wish you read history more clearly...in a free society everybody has the right to compete and win...if you dont have the necessary competence ..then you go with devils advocates like periyar who purveyed to the society with what it wanted ...an excuse to be incompetent.....If you are cribbing even under todays situation where opportunity is immense ...I believe it is because of your incompetence.......
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by Akram on Apr 30, 2007 02:31 PM Permalink
the competence is depends on the individual background. in that case brahmins have the highest adavantage of having excellent education background by birth
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by Akram on Apr 30, 2007 04:29 PM Permalink
By birth in the sense educated parents and lineage. Which other people dont have - Ex Abdul Kalam
Chess Master V. Anand who is current No:1 in the world rankings father was a high ranking official and should his grand father too.
When compared between two. Anand certainly has a great adavantage by birth
RE:[object]
by Akram on Apr 30, 2007 04:34 PM Permalink
He is a Bania i know very well. I dont want to break the heart of Subbu. Who has included him in the list.
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by Akram on Apr 30, 2007 02:08 PM Permalink
Yes Subbu they have the capability of manipulating things - there may be many who has let their life for the country. But it is the brahmins who were considred the most patriotic and others contribution is meagre.
The Rao Bahadur, Sir titles which were given to british patrons for their loyalty to them is carried by many brahmins.
I have great respect for Subramania Bharathi and Gandhi whom i look beyond their religion. These are few individual Brahmins fought for freedom and mostly followed by non-brahmins.
But as a community their contribution to freedom is unaware
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by on Apr 30, 2007 12:57 PM Permalink
we peoples fight for freedom for india , you so called brahmins worked with british peoples and enjoyed your life. we suffered almost what we can give including our self respect , no more it can be tolerated.
RE:RE:Periar and Brahmins
by Amrit Patil on Apr 30, 2007 01:04 PM Permalink
That time few people worked with British & enjoied their life. Now some people are working with MNC's & enjoing their life then what is the difference. Humenbeing is a selfish creature for all the time. There is no question of cast Human being sees their safety & comfort level only.
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by sriram gupta on Apr 30, 2007 01:00 PM Permalink
Kick all racists, religionists, capitalists, etc... out from this country (NOT ENOUGH!! from this planet!!).
RE:Periar and Brahmins
by Aditya Sinha on Apr 30, 2007 12:42 PM Permalink
good point. "this happened because Brahmins took to Western Education before others, and not because they suppressed other communities. The white employer selected the qualified people. Then used the situation to divide the people. " same is true with all FC indians all over India. otherwise who was studying in a medical school or an egineering school in mughal times or before.
