Please come out of this Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Brahmin , Dalit.........etc boundation. We all are human being and created by one. Like other animal of our planet we are also made by the only one God. There are no Hindu or muslim monkeys in this planet. Lets be one and think about the moral of this artical above.
RE:Periyar
by kumar kn on Apr 30, 2007 01:38 PM Permalink
good then since all r considered equal there should be no reservation base don caste -- automatically all hate will vanish
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by sriram gupta on Apr 30, 2007 01:42 PM Permalink
There should be no reservation if equality is there in our country. But it will be better giving reservations to financially backward people rather than backward castes. I saw a number of backward families in which the same families are getting reservations since a long time. So the purpose of reservations is not served.
Kick all racists, religionists, capitalists, etc... out from this country (NOT ENOUGH!! from this planet!!).
Everyone should proud of being human with their deeds. Upperclass dont feel that they are superior by birth and the same way lower class people.All castes are having some merits and demerits.We should make future generation should proud with their good characters
Caste System was the biggest misdeeds of certain corrupt brahmins.
This caste system split our country in several different parts that it became vulnerable to several foriegn aggressions like the persians, mughals, britishers.
If the society was not divided in these parts, then surely the history and future of this country would have been very very bright.
I have no grudges against branhmins, but I deeply condemn their useless acts which gave rise t casteism in India.
The society was split on the basis of their business, and business was was used to split the society by adding a fake religious ritual of some idiot "Manu".
RE:Casteism
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 01:25 PM Permalink
have you ever read the manu shashtra.i have experienced most of the prople who shout against manubad have no idea about manu shastra or samhita.i would suggest pl read fiest then comment.you will be surprised to know manu allowed reamrriage of widow and property rights of women.
RE:Casteism
by rangaswamy soundararajan on Apr 30, 2007 02:53 PM Permalink
Itis interesting to note that theso called Manu was not a brahmin - but a kshathriya king. Why we brahmins for all the present day ills. Further, Manu created only 4 casts - who created 4000 casts that we find today ?
RE:satyaraj
by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:01 PM Permalink
That's correct. In Tamil Nadu, Except Brahmins , all the other communities are listed under BC/OBC/SC/ST. Nearly 25 communities which were there in the FC, opted to be called themselves as Backward Community (bcos of the reservation lollipop) and got listed under BC (during the last decade). WHAT A SHAMEFUL ACT ! This was rightly pointed out in the Supreme Court ruling " Reservation is perpetuating backwardness" !!!
Will the so called "BC" guys ever grow up? and still want to get enlisted under SC/ST ???????
He wants caste system to be removed and he was against discrimination. But at the same time he supported the caste based reservation system. A he gives a completely meaningless reason for this. He is an opuurtunist. Nothing else. He should have been consistent. Basically he is a brahmin hater and he spread that thought. He has made fool of everyone. It is sad that we respect these kind of leaders whereas there are some wonderful human beings who spread love and equality in a more consistency and rational.
RE:He seems to be an oppurtunist, nothing else.
by sriram gupta on Apr 30, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
Your views are thought provoking. Good work Mr.Krishna
Kick all racists, religionists, capitalists, etc... out from this country (NOT ENOUGH!! from this planet!!).
RE:He seems to be an oppurtunist, nothing else.
by Krishna on Apr 30, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
U seems to be a bigger moron. With one statemnt that the person is South indian, u have clearly shown that u r a bigger divider. Shame on u. and u criticize others for doing it. do u think if caste should not be discriminatory then is the region based division is valid? Vey Bad.
RE:He seems to be an oppurtunist, nothing else.
by selvakumari kaliaperumal on Apr 30, 2007 01:26 PM Permalink
Krishna, I feel a person who records his opinion on a topic should have a good understanding of on the topic. I guess your opinion would have been very different if you have such understanding. Your opinion shows your limit of knowledge on the country's cutural history and periyar's principle's and the kind of change the society has experienced after him.
RE:RE:He seems to be an oppurtunist, nothing else.
by Krishna on Apr 30, 2007 01:37 PM Permalink
I know only onething. u have to be consistent in ur views. U cannot form views as per ur advantages. Thats is obviously very cheap. u want caste system to ghet reservations and u don't want them in certain other cases because it is becoming hinderance for ur benefit. I am very dissappointed with this kind of cross views.
RE:He seems to be an oppurtunist, nothing else.
by selvakumari kaliaperumal on Apr 30, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
one should be consistent in his opinion, I accept. But to make a opinion one has to have good knowledge of on what he is making his opinion. See, one can be very consistent in receiving bribes. That never can mean he is perfect.
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by selvakumari kaliaperumal on Apr 30, 2007 01:50 PM Permalink
Again I'm telling you, first you understand the cultural history of India and Periyar's principles and then you make your opinion on him. Then only your opinion can be taken for discussion in a forum.
The author, inspite of being a IAS Officer seems to have not done his homework well. Or probably pretending of being unaware of certain facts. The Dravidian movement had only one objective - crush Brahmins. If they are not against Brahmins let the author answer respond to: (1) How is that when a dalit gets illtreated in the villages by non-brahmins those who are the pillars of Dravidian movement don't raise any issue? (2) How is that when great men leaders like UV Swaminatha Iyer, who was responsible to collect Tamil literature imprinted on leaves (literature belonging to the age before invention of paper & printing)or Subramania Bharathi is never accepted as contributors to the society. (Few years ago when the Central Govt. decided to rechristen the station Maniyachi as Vanchi Maniyachi after the great freedom fighter who shot dead a British Officer and shot himself at thei station hue and cry was made by Dravidian Party? This clearly proves that Periyar and his followers consider this community more venoumos as snakes, which some of Periyar's follwers have expressed openly (when Periyar was allive). It is sad that the author wants to hide the truth.
RE:'Periyar was against Brahminism, not Brahmins'
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 01:48 PM Permalink
what periyar did not mention that the chaturvarna was first adopted according to the division of work,not on the basis of caste.in history,we would find several intercaste,even inter religious marriage including friendship between different communities-rajput king married a bhil girl,sri krishna was a yadav who married several khsatriya girls,akbar and jehangir married rajput hindus,sri ram had a friend like guhak who was a chandal,laxman got knowledge from ravana when he was in death bed.so ancient india was not full of casteism.jabal stayakam was welcomed by maharishi goutam who termed satyakam as brahmin(satyakam had no registered father),chandragupta maurya got the title from her mother who was a dasi and chandragupta maurya and samrat ashoka were not the representative of upper castes.sufi movement,bhakti movement was against casteism and religious narrowness.sri ramakrishna and swami vivekananda faught against casteism not balming the hinduism alone.so i think periyar missed and crossed the line.he could have mentioned the tolerism of hindus who gave place to other religious groups.there is not a single evidence in the ancient,medieval even in some parts of modern world in the field of religious tolerance in christian and islam country.also hinduism accomodated several different thoughts within a religion-here we have idol worship,nirakar god,even we get atheist philosophy,every person can woRship god in any foRm in this religion.hinduism is the only religion which never involved in forceful religious conversion.but pity is that periyar did not mention these positive sides.but sOme extent he spreaded a sense of hatred in the name of abolishing casteism.i donot know why.yes upper castes are very much responsible in many cases.but almost all of the great persons are from upper castes who made indians proud by their tallent,dedication not by their caste identity,what periyar also did not mention that many people from upper castes did several social reforms-RAJA RAMMOHAN ROY,ISWAR CHANDRA VIDYASAGAR were brahmin but did signficant social reform,sri ramakrishna vivekananda also did their best,upper caste personalities were greatly involved in the country's freedom struggle(subhas bose,tilak,nehru ,gandhi ,gokhale,bagha jatin,jatin das,lala ljpat and many names)where the leadership was maintained by them.even the great achiever of tamilnadu-srinivas ramanujam,cv raman was from upper castes.i donot know why he ignored all this.ok,but still he has a place in my mind for his movement for social justice which some extent changed as a movement of hatred at latter stage.
Hi Brahmin lobby. We know that your noise is well heard. But for Periar the progressive state like Tamilnadu would not have existed. Look at UP and Bihar. Brahmins are in good number and education is not available for poor people. We are really proud that our self respect was rescued from Brahminical oppression. Periyar led the fight and the war is still on. An illiterate is a genius and all educated brahmins are crooks. If we don't know the difference, the you better go back to your slavery days. He opposed Hinduism because of the relevance in his own mother land. If you don't have objectivity of any progression then you all need some study of social issues and should avoid you Manu shasthra and all other sanskrit nonsense. Religion is opium of the masses, indeed. We have a clear thinking society in Tamilnadu because of Periar. Compassion of Periar needs more understanding of Humanitarian values. I remember, theese Brahmins enrolled themselve for German course in Madras Christian college in 1940s. They thought that they can become the clerks if Hitler captures India. This is no less than a job of a pimp. We will fight it out to bring our characterstics with the 'divine' guidance of Periar. Elango
RE:Periyar is a real saint
by rationalbeing being on Apr 30, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
in up and bihar along with the other states there are many brahmins and upper castes who are poor enough but get no help from the govt as they are upper castes,pl get out of the idea that brahmins are rich everywhere.periyar some exrent show the path to divide the hindu socirty in the name of caste.
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by elangkallanai kallanai on Apr 30, 2007 02:18 PM Permalink
You poverty hasn't become a genetical property My dear Brahman friend. In Tamilnadu, the fight has helped majority of the people to understand the socila structure.
RE:Periyar is a real saint
by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:28 PM Permalink
You are caught on the wrongfoot, Elango. You cannot deny the fact that social justice is prevailing in Tamil Nadu. My query is how long you need the reservation.. Why you are not helping the poor through reservation.
A 'BC' judge has 2 sons, who are both Doctors, Again their sons/daughters will become doctors or judges one day. We can see this only in Tamil Nadu, bcos of the stinking reservation....
RE:Periyar is a real saint
by elangkallanai kallanai on Apr 30, 2007 02:33 PM Permalink
My dear friend, You are taking samples here. I am telling something as a larger picture. Indian society is essentailly structured based on caste. Caste based reservation is inevitable.If you remove that stain and humiliation , economically weak people can be really identified and it is easily possible for us to go ahead. May be we need for 100 more years. I am sure. Elango
RE:Periyar is a real saint
by Vijay Kumar on Apr 30, 2007 04:00 PM Permalink
dear ganpat 1. u r more welcome if u treat all the people in this country as equal. other wise u can fly usa if u cant able to tolerate the socalled 4th sector in the society is emerging slowly against ur suppression
2. u r listing the 2 generations of people that slowly gaining status and we saw you guys gaining access to everywhere for the last 2000 years
3. it clearly shows if some place that you cannot enjoy the high status, u will fly next place to dominate others. is it your regular habit?
4. dont think narrow mind as periyar is against god only. he has done other reforms and if u want to know, jus read the life history of periyar
5. LAST BUT NOT LEAST, as MNC and other companies gaining and accessing facilities from govt like lands, infrastrucure etc etc thro subsidised manner, periyar movement already started the reservation policy in the PRIVATE SECTOR also. Haven't you heard about this and cry this also
so you can better start if u plan a industry, in some other country only and not in india as it will entitle for reservation in pvt sectors
RE:Periyar is a real saint
by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:07 PM Permalink
Hey Elango ! I am damn sure that you would have got a seat in one of the Govt colleges in TN thru reservation.... What a loyal fellow.
Now sit up and answer me, for how many generations u want reservation ?? another 200 years??
RE:RE:Periyar is a real saint
by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:34 PM Permalink
And finally do u believe in 'HINDU GODS'. Bcos most of the guys who admire 'PERIYAR' now believe in God and visit temples frequently. Shame !!!!!
RE:Periyar is a real saint
by elangkallanai kallanai on Apr 30, 2007 02:17 PM Permalink
You enjoyed thr British Reservation. It is our own country. We will not hesitate to eliminate you. Aryans are agressive everywhere. I am not sitting in a govt ofice . I am a competitor but I understand society better than you. Elango
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by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:32 PM Permalink
If we leave 'your' own country, you will not get the reservation. Is that okay for your kids.. We are just 3%, we will leave the countr (settle in US).
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by elangkallanai kallanai on Apr 30, 2007 02:36 PM Permalink
I will be very happy. We will remove reservation . Once your structure is destablised we will have our own structure. You guys are proud of settling down in US. We know one thing for sure. You will be second class citizens there. You won't enjoy the heavenly status as you are enjoying here. Elango
RE:Periyar is a real saint
by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:46 PM Permalink
This shows your acceptance of your inability to compete with the brainy guys.... Neverthless, MNC's now recruit the guys based on their talents only, Dont expect the reservation 'lollypop' in those companies. Most of them are dominated by Brahmins bcos of their command over language and their skills & intelligence. On the other hand, Govt departments in TN are full of BC/MBC/SC/ST officials and these are full of corruption & mismanagement. Even now, the fact is that Brahmins are fluorishing in the " reservation" filled Tamilnadu. Tamil Nadu's No.1 English Daily is run by Brahmins., No.2 Tamil daily is run by Brahmins..No.1 Automotive group is run by BRahmins.. and the list goes on & on...
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by Ganpat on Apr 30, 2007 02:48 PM Permalink
Leave it to us.. We enjoy our life wherever we live.. Bcos we are Aryans and we move from place to place.... hehehe
What every body preaching is to get attention of others. It is unfortunate that we Hindus fight amongst oursevles to show supremacy over others, instead of showing our intelligence to speak itself. First get the prestigiuos degrees with low marks and then again stamp on others. If all are human beings why the IAS officers treat their sub staff differently?. Why make the peon to clean his plates? Carry his bags?. Why are they not calling his peons to sit and eat together?. All over the place VIP treatments ? Why all these? Can this IAS officer explain this?. Today we are moving from Casteism to Classism?. If he is a driver , barber , etc we (not me) treat him differently? Polititians and babus are supreme VIPs and rest of the citizens are slaves of theirs. God alone help this country and these breeds. Concerned Citizen
Hell E. V. Ramaswamy embodied all that's wrong with our sick Indian politics. Why the hell didn't he raise a voice against Muslim and Christian fundamentalism when he was against all religions per se and pray, why the hell did he have to ask for all castes to be brought in temples as priests when he was a goddam atheist?
RE:Periyar sucks big time
by Bharathiraja C on Apr 30, 2007 01:28 PM Permalink
Mr.Sriram... Periayr lived in Sothern India.. If u see history 70 years back there were no christian or muslim fundamentalism... It was harijan's suffered most from so called higher caste scoundrels... No other religion disrespect human than the hindu religion.. No other religion hsa got caste systems...
RE:RE:Periyar sucks big time
by Warrior on Apr 30, 2007 01:32 PM Permalink
Hi Sriram.. ..Periyar is south Indian Gandhi.His concept was not religion....... equality among humans .Understand that.
RE:Periyar sucks big time
by Sriram Chandrasekhar on Apr 30, 2007 01:47 PM Permalink
With due respect to you bro, please understand the double-standards he followed: victimizing an entire community when there were a few black sheep and insulting one of the greatest religions the world has ever known. This would happen only in India, frankly all this hypocrisy pisses me off...
RE:Periyar sucks big time
by Sriram Chandrasekhar on Apr 30, 2007 01:20 PM Permalink
Oh really, your ignorance just amazes me..ever heard of Dalit Christians you moron?
RE:Periyar sucks big time
by unni krishnan on Apr 30, 2007 01:34 PM Permalink
If EV Ramaswamy was not born in Tamilnadu, we the underclass and unprivalaged people will be still doing our family business i.e. cutting hair, cattle farming, scavaging etc. He was want that there should not be any discrmination against anybody with regard to caste, religion. That is why even though he was rich and came from upper caste and he still uplifted the people of TN. Gandhi preaches but does not do any good to down trodden people whereas EVR did what he said. Great leader and visionary. Long live Periyar. Even though i do not agree in all his teachings in toto. bcoz i am not athesit. txs
