Facts about Tamils around the world, for those who doesnt know about that:
1. Presidents: Till now 3 presidents are from TN 2. Indias Highest Civilian Award Bharat Ratna Recipients: Tamils are the highest morethan 35 than anybody else. 3. President of Sigapore is a Tamil: SR Nathan. 4. Tamil is national language of Srilanka, Singapore and Malyasia 5. France & Canada are considering to make Tamil as their one of their official languages. 6. France & Canada are considering to make Tamil as their one of their official languages. 7. In Internet: Largets number of webpages available in Tamil only next to English. 8. BBC: BBC broadcast news in 40 languages,in which there are only 3 indian languages those are Tamil, Bengali and Hindi. Do they broadcast in Sanskrit? 9.China's offcial govt radio broadcasts Tamil programs 2 hrs daily.
10. Last but not lease, one and only living and fully eligible classical language of India.
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by venkatesh thiagarajan on Apr 30, 2007 10:01 PM Permalink
50% words are from Sanskrit, Sanskrit is the mother of all indian languages - these are all not facts. This shows that you lack knowledge and the openness to learn the facts. Get the facts right - and come here to argue. More over what is the use of talking abt a language which has a very very very little number of speakers (in fact lesser than the fraction u said abt France/Canada).
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by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 09:26 PM Permalink
Ha ha ha good joke that 50% or above Tamil words are Sanskrit origin. Its vice versa and read the Devaneya Pavanar,G U Popes and other linguistice researches. Then you will not say Sanskrit is mother of all Indian languages.
In fact, language of Indus Valley Civilization itself Tamil only according to recent research. At that time of Indus Valley civilization, there is no Aryan or Sanskrit in India.
Read the history and talk...
Tamil Patriotism is a feeling, it is not depend on a person like MK. Even after it will grow.
Once wolf minded cunning brahmins are washed away from TN, everything will come in normal phase
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by kba k on Apr 30, 2007 09:32 PM Permalink
50% or tamil words are from sanskrit... good joke dear! It is the other way around.
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 10:14 PM Permalink
Selvan and Chattopadhyay: You are both partially right. Tamil and Sanskrit are sister languages, so there are bound to be similarities. They both come under Indo-European subclass of languages which are linked to common origin in Central Asia. Trying to say that they are not linked (Selvan) or that one gave rise to another (Chattopadhyay) is as stupid as separating two sisters or to prove which one is more valuable to the parent!
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by on Apr 30, 2007 10:30 PM Permalink
You short sighted Fool. You quote Aryan and Dravidian divides as though this is the well astablished truth. Truth is the Aryan/Dravidian divide was foisted upon us by some English Historian within the last 200 years. Tamil may very well be a very old language and even with its own roots. Yet its clear that its scriptures do NOT predate Sanskrit writings. The sophisticated Tamil and the barbaric Tamils do not add up. Tamil belonged to better people of the past. Today the Tamils you refer to can only indulge in lewd behavior, unjust practices and defecate in public.
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by Cnu on Apr 30, 2007 10:45 PM Permalink
Tamil selvan, keep ur Tamil pride in ur black stinking a**. what the heck tamil self glorification, Rajani is from Maharashtra, Jayalalitha is from Karnataka, Viago is from Andhra, even karunanidhi is not of Tamil orgin.
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 09:51 PM Permalink
guys get the message right on the board. this is about EVR and anti-brahmin, do not bring in Tamil. Tamil has been glorified by brahmins and upliftment of the language has been done more than anybody else. You got to read the teachings unearth the meaning rather follow few people who preach. follow the preachings and not the preacher. few acts of few people (who could have been converts!!) does not make the teachings bad. remove the negatives, hail the positives and follow the teachings. without brahmins today you would not have any heritage left in tamil nadu, you would all be meat eating and fighting instead of reading this net and increasing debates (which learned and educated people do).
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by IndianReporter on Apr 30, 2007 09:18 PM Permalink
Do not mix Tamil and Anti-brahminism. Brahmins have contributed the best from Bharathiyaar to Kalki , alwars, nayamars. They spread the message of love all and hate none. that is what brahmins have practiced and that is the reason they do not resort to violence or abuse when their integrety or importance is questioned. As all these material things are of no greater importance than "ultimate surrender to God". I am sure they would practice their religion's and teacher's teaching to be good to others and keep praying. Meanwhile, they have contributed to the betterment of society and been good advisors to rulers. they never killed other human beings or animals like so many of "other religion and other caste" do. they lived and live in perfect harmony with nature. few people like EVR do not count for them, they would be steadfast in their belief that God is one and that HE would provide them moksha. Waste to debate this with morons.
RE:Facts about Tamil and World Tamils
by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 09:22 PM Permalink
Im not at all confusing with Bramins and Tamil. hundreds of brahmins contributed to Tamil, I agree. But at the same time lakhs of brahmins worked for degradation of Tamil only in TN, thats true.
Im not against any brahmins, but Im against f#"¤"king Brahminism.
In fact Bharathiyar and Kalki himself against brhaminism only.
RE:TN is going down
by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 09:12 PM Permalink
Yes, TN Brahmins population is going down. Obviously Social justice and developement will went up in TN
RE:TN is going down
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 09:38 PM Permalink
Brahmins become tolerant and mingling with all races by intercaste marriages. Most of the brahmin families are bharatha vilas (Sivaji ganesan's film)
RE:TN is going down
by josyula kanaka subramanyam on Apr 30, 2007 10:28 PM Permalink
Well said Humanist. The tollerant brahmins do not waste precious time. By vitue of their natural tallent they silently pusue studies go abroad for a living. The foreign countries are taking the advantage of the brain power of the brahmins whereas our own counrty is driving them off. Even 100 years of reservation policy shall not help or reach to the real needy lot. Only the creamy layer shall exploit their own community and deprive their own people. Brahmins in no way at a loss. The hard working brainies develop whereever they go without endangering the culture and tradtion of tamils, for that matter Hindustan. They are bringing laurels to our country.None can deny it. Murugan-Kodaikanal.
RE:TN is going down
by Vasantgopal on Apr 30, 2007 10:22 PM Permalink
Contrary to myths Brahmin population relative to hindus has not gone down. What has gone down is the hindus % Vs Minority religions in TN. Which is why you still see brahmins getting a healthy representation in all fields. While representation in certain fields like clerks and accountants, IAS,etc has gone down, it has gone up in films, business, police,national army etc. Why I knew even a goonda in my area who was actually a brahmin by birth. So stop this stereotyping of brahmins.
RE:TN is going down
by Humanist on Apr 30, 2007 09:43 PM Permalink
that is because intelligent Brahmisn are moving out of Tamil nadu and only OBC duds are left behind to do stupid textile which will soon collapse and BPO jobs
Why does not this great man take movies about Muslim era where Hindus were killed in large numbers, houses burnt and women taken into harems? Why does he not take a movie about the plight of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh NOW?. The so called this dirty expression of indignation against Brahmins for the PAST is that they can not do anything about it. If he tries the movie about Islamic rule He will have fun with fatwa. Because Brahmins are poor and cannot do much about the trash I suppose. If they can burn the busses and derail the trains and tarnish the movie halls which feature this garbage, then there will be different tune. Why do these antibrahmin scum spill venom only Brahmins?. Was not the evil by othes too like, the ruling caste, trading caste, army generals' caste, the village land lord caste etc; etc. I saw a list of castes. It was well above 200. Can they change the past by ruining the present and future with these garbage movies?
RE:Every religion has bad past
by west on Apr 30, 2007 09:10 PM Permalink
he and his political masters very well know the consequences if they take movies on muslim rule. Next thing is - it's the rulers who encouraged to create caste - to keep the dynastic rule. So, they should first be blamed for the casteism. Is someone listening?
Why cant you keep your temples clean your selves. Also becouse you still carry this deeply ingrained thought in your minds that only a person who has and read the slokas can is sacred enough to be close to god.
Please understand that you need to understand more. How do you rate yourself in terms of knowledge with the IAS officer who has talked.
Also as you get wisdom so will you get humility and understanding of the human world as a whole and not be a frog in the well as most people are.
If you really want to persue your search for truth then keep aside your pride, prejudice, anger, bias.. and just keep reading.
Try mostly to read why the human civilization has become like this.
Dont keep crapping about things that you read from somebody elses summary.
Have you read the bible anytime fully. with a open mind. If not you will not talk about it.
You will have to find out why it is called a sacred document. And youwould have to do it yourself.
That is when you are truly fighting for being a human. or you are nothing but a puppet in another leader's hand.
No different from mullah who teaches terrorism is madrassa which is supposed to teach peace of god given in islam.
I read (from the Hindu publication), that Kachi Sankaracharya started opening many schools for "dalits" and one of the thing taught there is how to perform Rituals.
This is a welcome sign. VHP is also doing this rest of India.
Dalits should be given EQUAL entry into ALL Hindu Temples. AND THEY SHOULD BE TAUGHT ABOUT RITUALS AND BE MADE PRIESTS.
RE:RSS should pay attention to Periyar
by Tamil Selvan on Apr 30, 2007 09:14 PM Permalink
I also read in almost all news papers Kanchi Sakaracharya involved in sex scandle with many womens and also involved in murder criminal cases.
RE:RSS should pay attention to Periyar
by harifromchennai on Apr 30, 2007 09:41 PM Permalink
Tamil selvan, All guilty will be punished, no matter whoever and whatever position they are in. Hanging in public is autocratic not suitable for country like india
RE:RSS should pay attention to Periyar
by Shekar Rao on Apr 30, 2007 09:09 PM Permalink
Hey you commie dog,
Brahmins aren't your personal property to kick around. Scoundrels like you have elected marxist scum to Parl in order to whitewash Indian history, so stop pushing your good for nothing commie agenda down other's throats. We can all see what you buggers have done in Nandigram; it's basically your own atheist scumbags shooting up those very SCs and STs and OBCs beggars that you are so enthusiastically supporting. Brahmins aren't your punching bags; at least India is still on track because of them, and in spite of the treatment for so many years in the name of reservations.
As accecpted by Rajasekharan himself, Rajaji was against Brahminism as well like Periyar. But Rajaji never spoke many rubbish as spoken by Periyar.
Periyar's view of Hinduism was narrow. Yes, I agree many bad things did take place in many parts India, specially in Kerala/Tamilnadu (no regionalism please!). But Periyar did cross lines one many a times.
There are examples like Sri Chaitanya Dev who did uplift socalled "Harijans" without uttering nuisences like Periyar.
Anyway, today DMK and AIADMK both became partner of BJP. DMK shared power with BJP for 6 long years.
A new era is coming to Tamil Nadu. And I hope people will get the larger message of Periyar, not soundbites.
Yes, I respect Periyar. But there were better methods, polemic than him to address the issue.
RE:Periyar was a product of Colonial era
by eagle on Apr 30, 2007 09:04 PM Permalink
What lines did he cross? did you draw the lines? or who drew the lines? your leaders?
Dont give me the crap that god gave you the lines.
Those lines are the imaginative lines of your emotional satisfaction. Those are your lines of comfort.
And ofcourse, The age old saying of "Truth is always bitter"
Check out more dear. Your knowledge is never great than the human civilization. You are no one to judge unless you really earn it.
Broaden your views you will realize the truth. Dont be a frog in the well.
Most of whom who abuse Brahmins here are NOT Hindus.
They are Xtian Converts who converted for money.
This is one unique thing about Xtianity - WHEREVER THEY WENT, THEY ABUSED ALL OTHER RELIGIONS. These i*d*iots think if others are abused that makes their version of truth "higher".
Muslims though did lots of atrocities on many parts of the world NEVER ABUSED OTHER RELIGIONS THE WAY XTIANS MISSIONARIES/EVANGELICALS DO.
I thought Periyar was a great Tamil leader and reformer. What this guy portrays about him, is as if he must be some really distorted mind. As far as brahmanism and reading texts is concerned, everyone can see the condition when foolishness is bliss. During Periyar's time maybe only brahmins were fools to be arrogant, now entire society has become foolish. He fought for allowing equal share of knowledge and now that that right is achieved, nobody understands or recites a word of shastras. The original knowledge is lost and society has fallen with the fall of brahmanism. What a way to go in the name of social equality.
To all Brahmin Bashers and Similarly to all SC/ST/OBC Bashers as well as to religion bashers such as Hindu Bashers, Muslims Bashers, Christian Bashers etc. and caste bashers . To all Hindi Speaking Bashers as well as to all Tamil Speaking Bashers as well as to all other regional language speaking bashers To all religious chauvinists, to all caste chauvinists, to all linguistic chauvinists,to all regional chauvinists.....
STOP BALKANIZATION OF INDIA!!!!!
SHAME ON YOU!!!!!!
This isn't the land of Slobodan Milosovic, don't make it one!!!!
I know some people want to keep on abusing others and want to get away with it and if somehow someone complains then they try to stop him from doing so or shout him down similar to Hitler's SS. It is just one example of the nazification/talibanization/balkanization this country is heading towards. People here are targeting communities believing what great service they do to their kins not realizing that targeting any community in itself is a great disservice to the country and to their community itself.I don't want my country to have several partitions on communal,casteist and linguistic-regional lines, but with all this going on, I can only look in dismay as to what my country is slowly turning into. A great disservice to the country is being done by this balkanization process and seems loyalties from India have now narrowed down to local affiliations,there seems to be no patriotism left!!!! It just seems to be a Feudal structure waiting to erupt similar to what happened in 47!! Shame on all those who think what great deeds they do by abusing people, those who think that their local loyalties are far greater than this country and that the country can be compromised at any cost to fulfill their wishes and give vent to their prejudices.If you have any sanity left, come to your senses!!!!
RE:India is not Yugoslavia for God Sake!!!!!!
by dinesh kumar on Apr 30, 2007 09:54 PM Permalink
hi akash,u r the voice of sanity.the middle classes dont participate in politics.they like sitting back and commenting.everyone has some complex or the other.it is part of the growing up process.in another 50 years,things will possibly calm down.urs is the rarest of rare voices at present.
Kannadiga try to speak one sentence of kannada -minus sanskrit words.If possible try to speak english with out any common indo-european words ok let see.
You should come to north karnataka and maharashtra were so many prominent old temples are mentained ,managed by non brahmins.Even pujaris are non-brahmins, they are called as guravs.Anyway they are really kept those temple shabby dirty way.All new temples build by non brahmins are keeping brahmins voluntraly as priest ,though nobody has forced them to do it.
By the way I am non-brahmin and my family deity private temple 's pujari is a brahmin priest and we are proud of him the way he maintains clean santum santorium and performs pooja with out missing one day no matter what.
If you or anybody thinks that indus valley civilisation is of dravidian (whatever you mean by that word)then please answer these questions.
1)The female figurings found in indus valley have forearm bangles(not braclet)just like rajasthani female (those white bangles on fore arms) are worn by them even wear today not by dravidians.
2)Another female figurines have sindur in their aparted hair ,they dont have bindis on their fore head.This is a typical north india style,not south indian.
3)The houses found are made of standard size bricks(similar to modern brick size)and the roofs are flat.But south indian old houses are
made of stones or huge clay bricks (not the ones found in indus valley)and their roofs are tiled.
4)The food what indus valley peple ate was mainly barley and wheat not rice.Wheras most of us dravidians connot live without rice most of us dont even know what is barley.
When ever people are forced to live their houses or they voluntraly go out of their home country they carry the traditions of food,clothing,jewels,housing with them .That is why we find vitorian building build by britishers in india.Habits and pround tradition dont die so easily.
By the way Iam a non-brahmin,south Indian rice eating person.
