The colleagues don't personally hate you,it is just because that you work in one of the most unscrupulous and politically corrupt department in any office.
The entire dept of HR should have been removed,they are the devil in first place.
Re: Re: HR layoff
by max skinner on Apr 28, 2009 07:01 PM Permalink
Who drives the train dear Common Man - the engine or the bogey?
Can you please provide any real performance metrics of the so called HR depts that exist?
Can you ask them to be accountable for all the hiring done in boom time and also the layoffs of same hires (suddenly performance and quality is now a issue,where were the HR folks discussing these issues when there were rampant hirings few years back?)
If you can state any real reason apart from getting offer letters from HR,I will consider taking my comments back.
Personally,the team managers do a better job of motivating their members and are more respected than the pseudo HR dept.
Re: Re: Re: HR layoff
by Shyam Sunder on Apr 29, 2009 11:39 AM Permalink
Engine may drive the train, but without bogeys there is no work for engine. It is to carry the bogeys that the engine is employed in the first place. Understand that nobody is waste and nobody is inevitable. Without HR you would not have been recruited either. HR has its own job like you have your own. If they have to monitor your work they do that. It is just that. Even the team managers are appointed or promoted by the HR. Do remember that.
HR is not a recruitment function; recruiters are completely different from HR.
It is completely erroneous to suggest that team members are appointed or promoted by HR. If that is true, then the organization is sure to sink.
As I have mentioned elsewhere, people work because of Maslow's hierarchy, and not because of HR spiel. To deliver value to people on the basis of Maslow's laws, one needs to understand people very well. It is presumed that HR understands people, but today HR is practiced as a perfunctory automated process of business functions [ salary, leave, reimbursement etc]. There are many organizations that handle these functions on outsourced basis, thereby rendering the work of HR even more meaningless and puerile. There are very few HR honchos who actually engage, one on one, with the line staff and other department heads, trying to understand business needs, and working collaboratively to solve issues. More and more, it has become a paper pushing, blame allocating function.
Re: Re: HR layoff
by Common Man on Apr 29, 2009 11:04 AM Permalink
Why are you using my name to post ? Rediff should provide protection for identity thefts.
Pyari Gopal, why do you think so? Don't you feel lighter when you share your burden with someone? I mean think about it. If you are not doing, you are just bottling up all your emotions.
Re: hi
by Shyam Sunder on Apr 29, 2009 11:41 AM Permalink
Don't think everything is lost when a job is lost. Jobs come and go. If there is a better job you resign and join the new one. On the contrary your company fires you when you don't fit your job or they don't need you anymore. Nobody is born for any job that should sit at home crying for losing it.
Re: HRs are waste of money
by shailesh meshram on Apr 28, 2009 05:42 PM Permalink
it seems u r very much frustrated,now a days becoz of the HR ppl good people gets selected so atleast, companies dont have to rely completely on the HR consultancy from whom the fake people might enter in company......Its not the question of HR being billable......I think you dont know the responsibilty of HR ppl....apart from recruitment there are lot of other work HR has to do...Infact salary ,Leave and other importatnt work are done by HR ppl.........Its the people like you having crab mentality who r into IT should be removed whether its recesion or whether the economy is in boom.........
i think u r the most frustrated person on this earth
Re: Re: HRs are waste of money
by Gopal Ramesh on Apr 28, 2009 09:01 PM Permalink
Shailesh,
Salary, leave etc are functions that are more related to the personnel function and has little to do with the much touted strategic role of HR. Most of these functions are now outsourced, in many firms. What is the role of HR please, when these "important" functions are outsourced?
Re: layoff
by Optimist on Apr 28, 2009 05:45 PM Permalink
i dont understand y u mens think that women should sit at home....she will definately get the good job........Market is always open for good people...she must be waiting for good job......whatever must have happened must be good and there must be realy some good oportunity waiting for her
Re: Re: layoff
by krishna tripathi on Apr 28, 2009 05:56 PM Permalink
now what has being a woman to do with it? u women will make a "woman issue" out of any damn issue in the world. he just says that there is a positive side to everything, so chill!!! and by the way, its not degrading for a woman to be a home maker. it does not let u down. and those who see a home maker woman with disrespect dont deserve respect themselves...cooolllll
Re: Re: Re: layoff
by Amit Jain on Apr 28, 2009 06:05 PM Permalink
I agree to the comments made by Krishna. Now that you are laid off you can spent some time with your 3 year old kid who needs you like anything. I dont know from where your kid has mad up mind and asking questions like " why I don't go to office like before ".
And add to your pitty you dont have any answer on that, what are you saying ??????
Hi Iam a s/w engineer ion IBM but iam never afraid of being laid off as I have a business which is a recession proof and its a backup for me. Never I have asked for an increment, never wait for a bonus as the business yields so much of money that it takes care of everything. Just doing a time pass work..so have a backup
Re: Have a Backup
by Optimist on Apr 28, 2009 05:46 PM Permalink
Dear Rameshwar Please suggest us wat business we can do so that we also will be prepared for bad times
Have you heard of a 3 year old asking his mother not to go to office. Obviously this story is the figment of the imagination of rediff authors. Guys.... Do not believe blindly what rediff says !!
