Dhoni himself know that he is not made for test cricket then automatically that will effect not only his performance but overall team performance....give captaincy to a player who loves to play test cricket...the only man currently we have is C.PUJARA...
Re: Dhoni
by Ramdas Nayak on Dec 11, 2012 10:52 AM
Within no time he will also become like Virat Kohli whom media and advertisers have successfully spoilt. I don't understand why cash should be given when you give trophy to a cricketer as cricketer of the year. Rs. 5 lakhs was given to Kohli who is already earning millions through endorsements and match fee. BCCI could have spent money on talent search for the team from youngsters in India and arrange coaching for them instead of making rich players a super rich.
He is absolutely correct - This shows Ganguly's real concern for Indian Team and his knowledge - and should be apperciated - though myself not at all a big fan of him.
Instead of two captains we should have three one for each format of game also should have different set of teams too in case feasible else give rest to some after each series based on physical condition and performance give chance to others. This will - Keep a check on attitude problem -like in case of Dhony _ Nobody will feel allmighty and take the things for granted
- Nobody will feel overburdened
- Will Provide sufficeint time for rest and recreation
- Selectors will have more talent at hand to select from
- Will reduce chances of partiality
- Will create healthy environment of competition
- Those playing in domestoic cricket will not feel ignored as chances to get in team will be high
- Players will be able to concentrate and prepare themselves for a particular format properly
- Game of cricket & ultimately India will benefit from this
apart from this should have different set of selectors too for different formats.
Re: Ganguly is correct
by wcpak on Dec 11, 2012 10:40 AM
Sir,you forgot to mention : there should be different umpires and different groundsmen for different formats so that they too are not overburdened.:)
Re: Re: Ganguly is correct
by Bharat on Dec 11, 2012 10:57 AM
Thanks for the suggestion but just to update you this is already there - don't go on words & language in case message is clear :)
some time back, even dhoni himself was complaining about too much cricket affecting the players performance. rajiv shukla used to say let him retire if he doesnt want to play. may be hes right. if he plays, then he has to give his best. he should have prioritised which cricket is important to him and which is not. its easy for a common man to judge that dhoni is good only for ODI and T20. T20 itself is for upcoming youngsters. i sincerely wish those who play test cricket please dont play in T20s and/or in ODIs..
Re: too much cricket
by Ramdas Nayak on Dec 11, 2012 10:55 AM
Same Rajeev Shulka when it comes to Sachin Tendulkar has said nobody can ask Sachin to retire and it is only Sachin's decision as to when to retire. Why this double standard?
Yes. But before trhat, Dhoni has become too predictable for the rival teams and a bit rigid in his aproach towards making changes. So he needs to be removed from Captaincy. And regarding split captaincy, I would suggest different set of players for the different formats of the game. We need to have the best players for the Tests, and ODIs whereas the T-20s should be the nursery to groom new entrants.
only way is once a batsman makes 50 rest him two match, 100 three match, double 5 match and bowler takes 4 wkt rest him 2, 5 rest him 3 and 7 rest him season. u see success goes to head of indians very easily and rest damge is done by media hype, advertisement and endorsement money etc.our players play for records and not for winning by contributing some bit as by australians, south africans
Re: cricket team selection
by Basavaraja on Dec 11, 2012 10:54 AM
On this logics, every players will got out on 49 or 99 etc. Because he do not want to left out from team.
It not an correct method. Correct method is removed the selector Srikantha and removed all Chennai player from team like Ashwin, Dhoni, Raina, Jadeja and etc.
No need to change the captain or mnake drastic changes in the team . One or two losses doesn't mean team or its leader is bad . Give them some more time . Any major changes in the team will result in even bigger losses .
Re: NO NEED
by lakshmi narayana on Dec 11, 2012 10:20 AM
Keep saying like this and let them continue to play till they loose to bangladesh and jimbabwe. let 40 only pay and do not give chance to young.
Re: Re: NO NEED
by Shilpa Mehta on Dec 11, 2012 10:31 AM
Youngsters like Kohli, Pujara & Ashwin failed miserably in last two matches & is responsible for such situation . Whereas veterans like Viru , Sachin , Dhoni , Gambhir at least did something .
Re: Re: Re: NO NEED
by CC on Dec 11, 2012 10:39 AM
no body can perform in each game...c.Pujara is only exception in the bunch of players we have...we lost 2 overseas series,,and we are on the verge of losing home series...that means something seriously wrong with the team....please know the game of cricket before commenting
Re: Re: Re: NO NEED
by rajiv on Dec 11, 2012 10:41 AM
Kohli - yes, he failed. Ashwini - failed in bowling but did some thing in batting Pujara - was not dismissed for first 3 innings in this series and scored a double. Now only he has picked up from others to fail consistently.
Re: Re: Re: NO NEED
by raghavendra anand on Dec 11, 2012 10:46 AM
Ashwin can open the innings and bowl if required plz send out Ghambir/Shewag for a series they require Lots of rest...dhoni can take a break and recall Karthi for keeping the wickets.
Re: NO NEED
by Ravi Shankar on Dec 11, 2012 10:25 AM
Ohh really !! Just for your information, seems you have lost track of what happening. Its not one or two losses this is the 11th loss. You certainly need a change.
Re: NO NEED
by rajiv on Dec 11, 2012 10:30 AM
Let us decide before hand how many chances should be given to the team or an individual. 10 test matches lost out of 13 played in recent times is enough. Same applies for Tendulkar. Let us decide now that unless he scores as per his long term average in next match he should be out of the team. Its enough of chance giving. Its not one or two losses but 10 out of 13.
Re: What ever
by Sun t on Dec 11, 2012 10:20 AM
you are so correct that I cant say more. Have Dhoni captain India for another 2 series and there will be no competition to anyone leave Ganguly. At the end Dhoni will have no competitor aas captain even Tendulkar. Thanks for your insight
Re: Kohli
by Abhijit Nair on Dec 11, 2012 10:14 AM
absolutely. i wanted the same as well. the way he was talking about england's doom in india and of course he is the most arrogant player in india.
Re: Re: Kohli
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 11, 2012 11:18 AM
and when did you wake up from your dream where u heard dhoni talking about england's doom in india? or are you yet to awake?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Kohli
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 11, 2012 10:54 PM
yes it is kohli and not your friends and paymasters like ponting, and other aussies etc. who have even more arrogance...
You are right dada. Now the time has come up when we need different team and leadership for T-20, One-Day and Test form. Gautam Gambhir may be the choice for One-Day International, Virat Kohli or Suresh Raina for T-20 and MS Dhoni for Test team. Consistency has to be made the prime benchmark for anybody's survival in the team. If there is no performance then he is out. Every player has to play for the pride of the country and not for the money. If they want money, then they should leaver international cricket and always focus on IPL.
Re: Re: Split Captaincy and Team
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 11, 2012 11:20 AM
i can understand it if you dont want him as a captain...but please tell me which indian wkt keeper batsman has a better record than him as a batsman and wkt keeper?
Re: Re: Re: Split Captaincy and Team
by MS Dhobi on Dec 11, 2012 11:37 AM
true, no other wicket keeper of late whether India or overseas had seen 8-0 whitewash & 2 humiliating drubbings from visitors.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Split Captaincy and Team
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 11, 2012 01:23 PM
and the scores he made against nz when we won both tests they were made in easy situations? the 52 he scored against eng was in easy situation?
the 90 odd he made in sa vs steyn?
how many runs do you want from him by the way? and what do u mean no other wicket keeper ''of late'' i am telling he is india's best wkt keeper batsman TILL DATE...
we went to aus under sachin and were whitewashed, didnot we? and what were the scores of then wk keeper?
are u suggesting that those 2 whitewashes and 2 home losses were because of dhoni performances as a batsman and wk keeper?
when in 1983 wi came here we lost 3 tests in india . what did the then wk keeper score?
i repeat as a batsman and keeper he is our best till date..
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Split Captaincy and Team
by MS Dhobi on Dec 11, 2012 02:01 PM
keep yourfuckingdogmatism to yourself. even if you repeat 1000 times, it is the same thing. whitewashes were because of failure of seniors, & stupidDhoni's batting & captaincy. if 90 v steyn is a big thing, record master has 146. Being whitewashed by a substandard Australian team was the worst thing to happen. No Mcgrath/Warne/Bret/Hayden/Gilchrist and still India lost because of this moron.
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Split Captaincy and Team
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 11, 2012 02:32 PM
but did i not agree that people questioning his captaincy is understandable...still as a batsman he has performed very well. can you remember any wk keeper who played better than him in difficult siutations? even the best batsmen have failed so many times...and nobody ever said dhoni is the greatest or great batsmen in tests...so how can you expect that types of scores from him? you are talking as though you want him to score like dravid and laxman every time...
his contribution is not insignificant. our earlier keeper batsmen struggled to have an average of even 30 runs...surely you cannot claim they were better bats than dhoni...dhoni has contributed with an average of 48 runs in our TESTS wins...still if you think he does not deserve a place in indian test side i will say that you are dogmatic...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Split Captaincy and Team
by Sunil Vaidya on Dec 11, 2012 12:20 PM
so what is this nonsense about overseas loss whitewash 2 drubbings etc?
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Split Captaincy and Team
by MS Dhobi on Dec 11, 2012 12:44 PM
it is not nonsense. if records were everything, sachin would be called the greatest batsman on earth.
if dhoni batted well in the middle order when it mattered, situation would have been much better.
in england he batted well on birmingham & sydney which are batters paradise. rest all places, he failed. dont tell me he ran out of partners because he fell earlier than his partners. only instance he carried his bat was 1 innings in sydney. do i need to speak about the failure of 4/5 innings in the Ind v Eng latest tests that he failed?
becos some players are totally unfit for test , they are only good for ipl they have never an asset for indian test team, and some are good for test they have never been an asset for ipl or odi.
so split the captaincy becos we have seent the whitewash series and current series and have different captain for test and different captain for t20 and odi
