I dunno whats all this about ganguly....he has been a good captain, cant completely say terrfic batsman but he did well today!Yuvraj played well, made the most of the single opportunity he got! He should be a regular in the test team.... personally I think Indians dwell a lot on past glory....what really matters is what ya do when ya are called to do the job! Simple as that....ppl with bad patches should be rested (sachin, dravid or saurav theres only so many chances you can give anyone). I mean so many good players cant even make it to the playing 11!!!! But one thing I would admit...ganguly's comeback has been that of a fighter! Ya dont see stuff like this too often in Indian Cricket (with all the lobbying and back biting) Hope the Indian team plays well as a team wins this test and prepares for the aussie series(which is gonna be TOUGH)
I guess selectors were high on Ganja they made YUVRAJ sit outside.If their excuse was Yuvi's test record was not so good but Yuv'v track record against Pakistan is awesome in test cricket.In ODI's ,guy who has won MAN OF THE SERIES is left outside bunch of MORANS running the show.If you look at his past record he is the only player who has won MAN OF THE SERIES three times in row and performing consistently since 2005.Look at the knock he played today all over the ground and majority of them were classic shots & pls stop bashing Ganguly he is still not out and playing.Now Kumble has to think twice before dropping YUVRAJ ,can't believe he said(KUMBLE) "Yuvi has to wait for his turn".Yuvi is a team player excellent fielder and good runner between the wickets.Selectors pls don't be high on drugs next time you select a TEST team.
RE:Yuvi the best
by Brett on Dec 08, 2007 10:07 PM
manny.....all valid points! but please dont go on past glory....a player can have n number of player of series award.....but the player needs to be a team player first n not play for indvidual records!
I totally blame Gangulli supporters for the hatred what others have towards Gangulli. They were never appreciating other players even if they played good knoocks.Theywent to the extent of putting Gangulli above Sachin and Dravid in batsmenship which was absurd. they showered unnecessary praise on Gangulli even when he failed to score. For them Dada was God and others were demons who were there to distroy Dada. When he was removed for lack of form his fans blamed Dravid for the removal and started abusing him for no fault of his. they took the extreme step of supporting a forign team against the national team just because Dada was not playing in the team. All these disgraceful acts made non Bengalies to hate poor Gangulli. Unless we think above region, caste and relegion and open start appreciating any one who shows good performance Gangulli will continue to be looked up as villain in the eyes of non Bengalis.
Let us all accept Dada as very good batsman in Team India but cerainly he is not above Sachin and Dravid when comes to batting. Accept the facts and spare Gangulli from receiving brickbats which he certainly does not deserve.
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by sun bangalore on Dec 08, 2007 10:06 PM
U r right ram, I was a great fan of ganguly and its just because of his fans I had developed a hatred towards him. Look at his knock in bangalore, fantastic. The worst part of kolkatha crowd was to support a foreigh team against india just because ganguly did not play. Pathetic....
Even in this forum I see lot of postings made against dravid by ganguly fans not realizing the fact that both are good players. If I look dada as a member of indian team I feel proud of him, if I see him as bengali, its disgusting. Before someone post a reply, just think, I am not favouring any player from karnataka, even Dravid is not originally a kannadiga, he is a marati speaking guy, but we still support him.
I request to all bengalis is that think big, think india, you have good culture and you will be loved all over. Even if a bengali plays for karnataka, we still support, thatz the true spirit of a kannadiga...
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by Arunava Ray on Dec 08, 2007 10:36 PM
dude check wat u r saying..u just said that u dont like peaple bashing dravid..but u care to overluk the fact tht u guys bash ganguly like nething...but the fact tht ganguly despite the pressure has come on top speaks much high for him..he scored under pressure and guided yuvraj to an innings..did u see the way yuvraj embraced saurav after the century...and they stuck together..thts wat u call a team game..i doubt dravid or sachin had ever been as near as warm to neun...but now by current form..dravid goes out of the test team too..
RE:RE:Dada made villain by fans
by sam on Dec 08, 2007 10:39 PM
Bengalis are extremely parochial. The reason is, for many decades Bengal never produce a quality sportsman of international repute, esp. cricket which is the biggest game of India. So all their hopes very pegged on one man, i.e., Ganguly. He become the only Hero (prince of kolkata), but there were four to five players of international stature from Karnataka itself. therefore the bengalis (even state govt) could not stand any injustice brought to him and stood by him even when he was not doing well. had their been four or five gangulies, hero-worshipping one would not have been necessary.
RE:RE:RE:Dada made villain by fans
by hindublogger on Dec 08, 2007 10:57 PM
Thatz true Sam ..see the post from Mr.Bhar below ..he is claiming that Sourav is more talented than Sachin and Dravid ..hope sense prevail on these folks
RE:RE:Dada made villain by fans
by soumitra majumdar on Dec 08, 2007 10:33 PM
Its not a question of being from the south or east.You should have seen Ganguly's grit & determination to come back when he was dropped. From going to a railway ground for daily practice to playing domestic matches in places like Guwahati, Dhanbad and Siliguri to taking lessens in kick boxing to improve reflexes to running with a parachute tied to his waist, he has done it all. And boss, we Bengalis also support anyone who represents the state team.Arun Lal, Ashok Malhotra, Saba Karim,Manoj Tiwari etc are not Bengalis by birth but get unconditional love and affection from the people of Bengal. And to end, let me tell you that Rahul Dravid is one of the most technically correct cricketers this country has ever produced. LET US ALL CHEER FOR INDIA, OUR COUNTRY !!
RE:RE:RE:RE:Dada made villain by fans
by Salil on Dec 08, 2007 10:32 PM
sun Bangalore... again...i thought this post really made sense until....
"I request to all bengalis is that think big, think india, you have good culture and you will be loved all over. Even if a bengali plays for karnataka, we still support, thatz the true spirit of a kannadiga... "
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by sudipta sarkar on Dec 08, 2007 10:00 PM
I will blame for this to non-sence fool like u.... U south indian always praise dravid...kumble...
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by sun bangalore on Dec 08, 2007 10:12 PM
You are a stupid fool sudipta gupta, at least we south indians praise all south indian players, we have dravid and kumble, what about you, east indians, only ganguly, get up man, think big... dont post hatred messages.
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by anjan ganguly on Dec 08, 2007 10:40 PM
We should not devide India in South India, north India, East India...for Cricket. World cricket statistics show that Saurav is a very high grade cricketer & best captain in Indian cricketer history & one of the bests in the world. Dirty politics is everywhere in India & Cricket also couldn't remain out of it & Ganguly is one of them who paid for this dirty politics.
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by hindublogger on Dec 08, 2007 10:49 PM
well he is not a high grade cricketer ..but one who overcame his limited abilities by his grit and determination ..which was missing in many players who were far more talented than him ..but never succeeded much at the higher level
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by sounak bhar on Dec 08, 2007 10:45 PM
Mr Ram, after reading your nonsense article I cannot stop myself writting something. Yes I am a fan of Sourav Ganguly but not because I am a bengali!! I was there in South India for nearly 4 year and what I observed is in south india the number of DADA's fan is not less than what in bengal!! Whats ur age I dont know..I dont know if u have seen some of his gems in 1996-2000!! Sourav,Rahul and Sachin are having same talent..but the difference is that SOURAV IS MUCH MUCH STRONGER THAN THESE TWO!!!! AND THE STRENGTH IS MENTAL STRENGTH!!!!! IT IS CALLED WILLPOWER!!! and his cricketing brain is far far better than anyone!!!We hate Dravid because HE COMPLETELY RUINED THE TEAM INDIA WHAT SOURAV CREATED with his politics!!!!!!! And that is true!! Next time when u write some article like this apply some grey cells (if u have)..I can say lots of thing on behalf of Sourav but I dont thing its worthy!! I will not attack south indian personally bacuse I dont like that!! But Mr can u give me the name of 10 south indian freedomfighters??????? I can give u 100 from Bengal!! ha ha! So go to some doctor and dont make urself fool!! Wish u a very best luck!!
RE:RE:Dada made villain by fans
by hindublogger on Dec 08, 2007 10:54 PM
Well dont tell me that Sachin and Dravid have the same talent as Sourav ..Sourav is a player with limitations unlike the other two ..they are far more talented.But sourav's plus point is his grit and determination. And Dravid playing politics ..it was not Dravid ..but Mr Dalmiya who played the politics ..bcoz Sourav ruined his daughters like ..you can ask any of your journalist friends from kolkatta ..this was told to me by my bong journalist friends from Kolkatta ..
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by Brett on Dec 08, 2007 10:05 PM
Just reminds me of the movie Chak De....need to be INDIAN to be on the team!!!! Im sure almost all players have die hard fans....cant blame it on the fans....guess ppl just need to appreciate India winning rather than whose playing best...coz its the team that wins!!!
RE:Dada made villain by fans
by Vikas D on Dec 08, 2007 10:27 PM
Even though his fans were totally unfair, I never really developed hatred for Ganguly. I used to fight these guys all the time. When Dada scored, I used to celebrate and come back and start fghting these guys. It was not just Bengalis, people from all over the country - whoever was a Dada fan, was talking the same way. Dropping Dada in 2005 was one of the best decisions in Indian cricket and bringing him back in 2006 was THE BEST decision in Indian cricket.
Do you guys really think it is the selectors who select the team? No. The decisions are made by real bigshots who have and are pumping truck loads of money into Indian cricket. The selectors are there to give some credibility to the decisions made by some other people.
I seriously don't think Kiran More or Dilip Vengsarkar are the people selecting the team.
RE:RE:Dada made villain by fans
by hindublogger on Dec 08, 2007 10:59 PM
Its true Vikas ..these days its controlled by the sponsors ..I heard they not only decides the team ..but even the so called 'resting' too.Cricket has lost its real charm as a sport by mid nineties when the commercialisation went overboard
come out of ur pseudonym dude. We know u are jammy boy hiding under pseudonyms. he, cudn't face 25 balls on ur home ground? what will u do in ozziland now? hihi, announce ur retirement soon, jammy boy
No other player in the history of the game has ever made such a comeback. The pressure he was put under was immense where anyone would have perished. But only the true tiger can withstand.
RE:The ultimate comeback
by Brett on Dec 08, 2007 10:11 PM
yes...good comeback! hes a fighter.I just hope he learns to play as a team player....and he will have the complete respect of his team mates!
Shame on Indian media. nowhere i see any news about ICL. Don't be so biased. Give them also fair chance. There is nothing wrong in playing for ICL. Only 11 players can play for India at any given time. Then where all others suppose to go? Its a good sign that younsters are choosing sports as profession and ICL is one such job provider. I fail to understand why there is only a marginal coverage of a revolutionary idea such as ICL. Come on, Be Fair!
RE:Shame on Indian media
by soumitra majumdar on Dec 08, 2007 11:02 PM
Yes,I fully agree with Devendra. But I guess because the ICL clashed with two back to back Indo-Pak tests,it probably cost it valuable space in the sports pages of newspapers.
RE:Shame on Indian media
by Sameer on Dec 08, 2007 09:45 PM
I heard the fielding in the ICL tournament has been fantastic!...not just by the foreigners but by indian fielders too!!...I guess the ICL provides a very good platform for Indian domestic cricketers to reach international cricket standards...
RE:Shame on Indian media
by Babu Kothandaraman on Dec 08, 2007 09:39 PM
Good one Devendra!
It might be one our cousins or nephews playing for ICL! Imagine how many Indian youngsters are part of ICL and their friends and relatives should waiting for any kind of news about their performance.
MEDIA! including rediff, wake up! Don't listen to the politicians!
RE:10kar
by sumangali pukku on Dec 08, 2007 09:38 PM
u gone case go and join ur self into mental asylum..sachin is in his best form and u raise a finger on sachin..get karthik out of team and talk u dirty rotten rat...get lost greg chappel
131 Drawn 2nd Test v Eng 1996 at Lord's 136 Drawn 3rd Test v Eng 1996 at Nottingham 147 Drawn 2nd Test v SL 1997 at Colombo 109 Drawn 1st Test v SL 1997/98 at Mohali 173 Drawn 3rd Test v SL Ind 1997/98 at Mumbai 101* Drawn 3rd Test v NZ 1998/99 at Hamilton 125 Drawn 3rd Test v NZ 1999/00 at Ahmedabad 136 Won 2nd Test v Zim 2001/02 at Delhi 128 Won 3rd Test v Eng 2002 at Leeds 100* Drawn 1st Test v NZ 2003/04 at Ahmedabad 144 Drawn 1st Test v Aus 2003/04 at Brisbane 101 Won 1st Test v Zim 2005/06 at Bulawayo 100 Drawn 1st Test v Bang 2007 at Chittagong 102 Drawn 2nd Test v Pak 2007/08 at Kolkata
14 hundreds previous to this. Of which 3 match india Won, of those 3, 2 were against Zimbabwe.
The rest hundreds if noticed carefully were all on good batting tracks or the bowling attack was weak, example 2004 hundred against Australia came against Bichel, Bracken, Injured Gillespie and McGill. Bichel and Bracken were one day specialist. Or take example of Kolkata test. If Ganguly's career is to be studied, we then realise that India shouldnt have allowed him to play TEST Cricket at all.
He might have played well today, but a single hundred in pressure doesnt make a batsmen good. Kapils hundred against West Indies in 1982 at Port of Spain was much much greater, as it came against bowlers like Marshall, Holding, Roberts and Garner. But that didnt make Kapil a batsmen, he was yet a primary bowler, and an allrounder.
RE:Match might end in Draw
by sudipta sarkar on Dec 08, 2007 09:53 PM
The problem in India is there will always be some biased people like u,Ajay jadeja,sidhu etc....Who will always criticize ganguly irrespective of his success. The stats shows out of the 14 century only 3 against weak team....???? What about stats for the other "so called" great?????? How many times india won due to sachins single handed performance?????? Do remember it's a team game....
RE:Match might end in Draw
by Navneet on Dec 08, 2007 10:52 PM
its not wat you have that matters but rather how u use it that makes the difference. Ganguly may not be the greatest batsman or the greatest player to represent India.. but he has wat is required by india today...passion to play, that killer instinct and the will to prove your mettle. Hope ganguly carries on with this and passes the spirit to the others in the team as well...
RE:Match might end in Draw
by cj on Dec 08, 2007 09:58 PM
Good research dude..do u need this to conclude match result?? (that too mentioning about pitch!!) I dont think there will result to one side unless something happens like wat happened today.
RE:RE:Match might end in Draw
by on Dec 08, 2007 10:17 PM
stop speakin shit "abby m"
wt dada did is a display of his capability... its easy to sit at ur desk n post this data... bt jst once go out there n face the smell of the leather, then make such comments. the selectors out there ain't fool tht they brought bk ganguly after dropping him...
also, tell me when the last time an indian player hs scored centuries in bk 2 bk innings...
and did u noticed my dear frnd... tht india hasn't "lost" any match when DADA hs scored a century... pity u...
all the best 2 ganguly... go on make a double ton n put shit in the mouth of critics...
RE:Match might end in Draw
by Kaushik Basu on Dec 08, 2007 09:46 PM
Who cares for ur M/F stats....wat abt the innings where he missed the centuries but played cameos to save india, e.g., the last test in england or the test in SA...everybody knows his contributions to indian cricket....u can go to hell with ur stats...
RE:Match might end in Draw
by Sunish Appukuttan on Dec 08, 2007 09:34 PM
DO u know what were the scores of other Master Batsmen in these Tests? Go to stats!!
RE:Match might end in Draw
by Sameer on Dec 08, 2007 09:34 PM
Very good research dude...but let me add another statistic here...dada is one of the few batsmen in world cricket whose average hasnt dropped below 40 in both forms of the game since debut!!!
RE:Match might end in Draw
by HariOm Chawla on Dec 08, 2007 09:42 PM
This can be said in another way too. Of all these 14 hundreds prior to today's, only three were against weak teams; the rest were against all the big teams. If these hundreds could not win a test for us, then at least these saves us from defeat; as is the today's hundred. Today's fight by Ganguly and Yuvraj has saves us from sure defeat. Hats off to Dada.
Dada is showing lot of character now a dayzzzz..kudos to dada......... I think this should be wake up call to indian selectors to include Yuvraj in Test Arenaaa.............this is the best example...when chips are down.....insted of slogging taking fight to the opposition is the way to do....that is Y Australia is unstoppable................
Considering his stats after his return, he can be called as Mr.Dependable what do you say guyz!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am not against Dravid..i wish he should get back to his form as we need him in Australia
RE:Mr.Dependable(Ganguly)
by Brett on Dec 08, 2007 09:17 PM
wouldnt excatly say that...but will say Saurav is a fighter! and thats a quality you cant teach....I think the title of Mr Dependable still stays with Rahul Dravid....
RE:Mr.Dependable(Ganguly)
by Sameer on Dec 08, 2007 09:37 PM
I guess if any1 should be called Mr Dependable, it should be Laxman...he is the most underrated genious in world cricket today!..he plays knocks when needed most by the team and usually alongside the tail..that rarely wags!
RE:Mr.Dependable(Ganguly)
by soumitra majumdar on Dec 08, 2007 10:49 PM
Why get into this unnecessary debate!If there are two dependables in the Indian team, what's the harm? The team will gain. Let us all cheer for both Rahul & Sourav with the hope that one day we shall have 11 Mr. Dependables in the Indian team !!
