though he considered himself as the last Englishman, Nehru was the garden variety Indian, a mungeri lal with haseen sapne. He was no match for the Chinese with their hard nosed reality and National pride. Nehru was a pompous, vainglorius man, who mistakenly thought the whole world looked upon him with admiration ! The shock of finding out that they regarded him mainly with amused contempt broke him. But all said and done, he was at least a democrat and scholar, more than can be said of the present lot of lawmakers with charges of rape and murder against them.
RE:RE:@ Tathagata Mukherjee
by Flamingo on Mar 25, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
FTV Means FirqaParsti(Communal Hatred) TV of TathaGatha Mukherji which he starts when writes in this discussion Boards.
Probably, Gandhiji thought he was a fellow Gujarati.
Effects of gandhiji not selecting sardar were
1. unfinished Kashmir issue 2. Unfinished Tibet issue 3. Linguistic state 4. following sovient model of planned economy 5. excessive central govt control on economy.
India;s poverty would have been vastly reduced had Sardar lead India.
RE:Gandhiji made greatest mistake by not selecting Sardar to lead India
by ravi kumar on Mar 25, 2008 10:03 PM Permalink
and above all it created a mad and crazy man called TGM
There is no evidence in history that China, though weak during 19th & early 20th century, ever accepted boundary settlement with the British empire. For the 1914 agreement though Chinese representative was present in the negotiations, the British convened secrete talks with Tibetan representative. The document along with the map was not signed by Chinese. In the past it can be seen that Chinese either shied away or deliberately distanced themselves from the boundary talks. Throughout, they were consistant in emphasizing there claim over Tibetan territory as their integral part. I remember small para from 'The Himalayan Blunder' (Brig.J.P.Dalvi) when he was studying at Def.Ser.Staff College, Wellington in 1953. A senior beurocrat from foeign min. was bombarded so many questions by army officers as to the inconsistancy of Indian foreign policy towards Tibet (Chinese began to occupy it 1955 onwards), to which he could not answer and left issue to politicians. The opinion of contemporary top govt. officers like Sir Girija Shankar Vajpai(ICS) and Mr.H.M.Patel(ICS) regarding Pt.Nehru was "a sole foreign policy maker, indulged in dreams (rather reveries) created and nurtured by him and hardly considered the ground realities. A map of India in the 'Discovery Of India' by Pt. Nehru depicts part of Assam beyond Himalayan foothills (i.e. Misamari and ahead) as part of Tibet; the same he claimed of India after 25 years and declined negotiated settlement with Chinese in absolute terms.
RE:Advani blames 'weak'....
by Dattaprasad Prabhu on Mar 25, 2008 10:19 PM Permalink
I am not Cmmy, Tathagat. Frequently I came across your views. Unfortunately, most of the time they are extreme and though u r right it becomes tarnished. I shall quote an ex... In one of the public meettings in Kolkata, when most of the Subhas (Netaji) supporters started vehimently expressing that Subhas is alive, his elder brother Dr.Sharadbabu, who was a staunch non-believer of the plane-accident story, warned them (and their leader Mr Shisheer Bose; Subhas'nephew) that they are forcing him to believe that Netaji Subhas is no more. Your name is that of Budhha's. Try to adopt his humblness. Being bengali, that's what your name suggests, you must be a good reader. So I may recommend one book "India's China War" by Neville Maxwell(Doubleday & Co., N.Y.,USA.1972). With his access to many unpublished govt. documents and analysis he has proved beyond duobts that, as the general view held, India was not the innocent victim of the unprovoked(?) Chinese agression. Also read the chapter, 'India's defence ministers; 1947-1962' from 'The Himalayan Blunder' by Brigd. J.P.Dalvi(1969). Never forget both were never Commies.
But there is a strong percention that Nehruvian secularism is anti-Hindu. Author/activist Madhu Kishwar ("Religion at the service of nationalism") says: [Today's secularism is utterly Pro-Muslim, anti-secular, anti-Hindu. This was written before Muslim reservation in Jobs/schools!]
"The preference of large sections of the Muslim leadership and westernised Muslim intelligentsia for a Nehruvian brand of secularism has proved to be very harmful for Muslims in the long run. In the process they have rejected & ridiculed Gandhi's approach to inter-community harmony largely because they are uneasy with his use of certain Hindu symbols. This has strengthened the feeling that the Muslim leadership is innately hostile to the Hindus who are rooted in their own faith and is comfortable only with westernised Hindus like Nehru who are contemptuous if their own culture, religion and people."
Discarding Gandhi by Muslims, elite Hindus resulted Guj 02 & Ahmedabad 69(a week before Gandhi Centenary). In 69, more people died than in 2002. Did you know, Muslims were denied shelter inside "Sabarmati Ashram" during Guj02. What does it mean?
Unless taliban cpim and muslim appeasement by both cong and cpim are stopped, the country is going to see major rebellion. BJP's rise precisely denote that.
