If the nuke deal is not tremendously beneficial to the US, why is it putting so much pressure on India to clinch the deal?Please don't tell me that the Americans are very much concerned about our welfare!I don't need you experts to give your opinion on the deal.Some common sense and a little patience to read the written words in the Hyde Act,123 Agreement and the safeguards Agreement may be sufficient to suspect we are being led into a trap.
RE:Is the N-deal good?debate rages.
by Virendra Patel on Jul 18, 2008 04:54 AM Permalink
RACIST-WHITE-USA wants to kill India and wipe us off the map by poisoning our food chain and force us to eat Genetically-Modified food, which has toxins, pesticides and contaminate us to our deaths.
RE:Is the N-deal good?debate rages.
by west on Jul 18, 2008 06:59 AM Permalink
funny - i thought americans are healthier than indians. another thing - the type of deaths you mentioned are already happening in west bengal and china which are very closely affiliated to soviets .
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by Lalatendu Deo on Jul 17, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
Is it important as to whether the deal would be tremendously beneficial to the US?
It certainly is, if it is beneficial to India, on the whole.
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by Ashok Gobindram Lulla on Jul 18, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
Not on the whole, lalatendu-bhai, it is beneficial to put India IN the HOLE, samajha gaye?
1) USA is planning to get 50% energy via solar and wind in till 2025 yr. then why we are in hurry of nuclear power. we are getting more sun light then USA 2) Right now we are generating jsut 2.3% Nuclear energy, 65% coal energy, 25% hydro and aorund 7% natural resources.. then why it is so much imporatnt. 3) Nuclear energy required high investment, where we can get small power station in low cost in each rural area may be wind farm or solar farm and can get electricty easily.. tranmission lost 38% energy when they travel long distance but small unit locally can drop this to 5% 4) Right now crude cost 150 dollar and it may go on in coming yrs.. nuclear power will help us in 2020 or 2022, till that how our economy will survive.. ? small solar penal and wind farm can help easily in jsut few days setup. 5) USA economy is about 13 trilion dollar and india around 1 trilion dollar they can sepnd huge money india cant easily spend... 6) We had lots of cattle which can help in bio gas production in each village.. 60% india living in village which can finish good amount of power requirement 7) combinely wind energy, solar penal, hudr power at sea cost, bio gas, can contribute good amount of requirement for indian house hold..
and present energy we can use for commecial consumption.. with low cost, clean environmetn and long time this can help us...
RE:RE:only nuclear energy cans ave india???
by west on Jul 17, 2008 06:21 PM Permalink
you are missing the bigger picture of the whole nuclear deal. moreover, solar panel manufacturing also is not as easy as you say like 1-2-3-go. It also takes considerable investment and money. Solar energy needs huge land. Main problem in India - you put the solar panels and come back in couple of months - they will be gone.
RE:only nuclear energy cans ave india???
by Rakesh Sharma on Jul 18, 2008 11:24 AM Permalink
BY THE WAY WHAT WERE THE CONGIS DOING DURING THE LAST 50 YEARS FOR ENERGY GENERATION...SUDDENLY THERE IS THIS HYPE OF NUCLEAR ENERGY....GO TO ANY US OR EUROPEAN WEB SITE REGARDING ENERGY DEVELOPMENT..THEY ARE PLANNING FUTURE IN SOLAR AND WIND ENERGY.....
The congress rumour mill along with RSS suppoeted English media is working overtie to disgrace left.But left will rise now and rule India ,Even foriegn publications are taking note of the fact of Left ascendency,A well known international newspaper Xin HUa has scientifically predicted that soon whole of India will be ruled by left forces.Also it was far back predicted in chinese ancient texts that A land surrounded by 3 oceans will be great friend of China and defeat ecvil designs of country which lies to far west. When told abt the reports a a staunch coomunist leader in Bengal remarked that By grace of Godess Durga we will soon rule the country and no one will stop us
RE:LEFT WILL RULE INDIA AND THAT IS PROPHECY
by sreekanth agneswaran on Jul 18, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
Maaan... with followers like you, the left doesn't need detractors! ;-)
RE:LEFT WILL RULE INDIA AND THAT IS PROPHECY
by west on Jul 17, 2008 06:28 PM Permalink
lefties became dreamers. 1) RSS is not for nuclear deal. 2) lefties can only find place in chinese newspapers 3) china defeating american evil designs? why is it so close to america now? 4) since when did lefties started to believe in GOD and prophecies?
RE:RE:Why is white racist USA killing Indians?
by Virendra Patel on Jul 18, 2008 04:48 AM Permalink
INDIA AND SOUTH ASIA IS SET UP FOR DEPOPULATION. The Indian Government does not want us to have a healthy life. Therefore, we need facilities for detecting GM-toxins and DU induced illnesses, which we do not have.
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by Virendra Patel on Jul 18, 2008 04:49 AM Permalink
Why India is a prime target India is world's largest producer of fruits, second largest producer of vegetables and milk and is predicted to become the world's largest exporter of non-GM agricultural products within a decade unless genetic contamination destroys the bio-diversity and sustainability of India’s food & feed crops. This potential market power is the greatest threat to US and European food multinationals and attempts to contaminate non-GM food and feed crops is part of that strategy to destroy India and South Asia’s emerging dominance as non-GM food supplier.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Why is white racist USA killing Indians?
by Virendra Patel on Jul 18, 2008 04:50 AM Permalink
Why genetic contamination has been forced on India? The National Security memo 200 [NSSM#200] piloted by Henry Kissinger in 1974, identified growing population in the Asia, Africa and Latin America as threat to US security. The genesis of Kissinger’s thesis lies in King George VI’s advisory to control population in British colonies and it is not surprising that India started its family limiting programme way back in 1952, within five years of gaining independence. Let me quote from McCauley why it has always been the core strategic issue of western elite to destroy resource rich South Asia:
I think political parties(who are supporting the agreement) should tell the people the 10 main benefits pointwise , India is going to have if the deal is signed.
Similarly those who are opposing the nuclear deal should also inform about the 10 biggest negative effect with this deal.
Based on these points we can do better cost/benefit analysis and arrive at a conclusion.
Also how this deal is going to effect serious national matters like Foreign and Defense policy should also be informed to the people.
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by nimit patel on Jul 17, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
i dont know much but i can give u few points...
1) USA is planning to get 50% energy via solar and wind in till 2025 yr. then why we are in hurry of nuclear power. we are getting more sun light then USA 2) Right now we are generating jsut 2.3% Nuclear energy, 65% coal energy, 25% hydro and aorund 7% natural resources.. then why it is so much imporatnt. 3) Nuclear energy required high investment, where we can get small power station in low cost in each rural area may be wind farm or solar farm and can get electricty easily.. tranmission lost 38% energy when they travel long distance but small unit locally can drop this to 5% 4) Right now crude cost 150 dollar and it may go on in coming yrs.. nuclear power will help us in 2020 or 2022, till that how our economy will survive.. ? small solar penal and wind farm can help easily in jsut few days setup. 5) USA economy is about 13 trilion dollar and india around 1 trilion dollar they can sepnd huge money india cant easily spend... 6) We had lots of cattle which can help in bio gas production in each village.. 60% india living in village which can finish good amount of power requirement 7) combinely wind energy, solar penal, hudr power at sea cost, bio gas, can contribute good amount of requirement for indian house hold..
and present energy we can use for commecial consumption.. with low cost, clean environmetn and long time this can help us...
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by abarna banerjee on Jul 17, 2008 10:11 PM Permalink
I agree with the points taken. In addition. I would like to say- that why not go ahead & advance solar source of energy/ Let government provide resource to research on that - Rather buying old /reactors from US & letting our country to be used as a dump yard of nuclear waste causing/breeding ground for cancer & other unknown source of diseases. So why waste time energy & money on something which is known all over the world is not a safe way of producing energy- While USA - it self is trying get out of it and implement a clean source of energy. What interest this UPA Govt. has that by hook or crook they want have this agreements - Ignoring myriads of urgent problems the country is facing - like inflation. Threat from terrorists the list can go on & on. It so sickening that well educated people is sacrificing their country for their personal interests. It is sickening!
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by hiral joshi on Jul 17, 2008 05:19 PM Permalink
Merely stating 10 points would be misleading. More detailed info is needed, and I am not asking strategic disclosures but atleast the cost efficiency data, total investment/power output ratio etc should be discussed in LS first. Why govt has so much hurry? If Bush goes another will come, India is not thriving on Bush's mercy. Any new US govt has to recognise India as a Nuclear power state.
As far as the present trust motion is concerned, it is unfortunate that UPA is bringing a trust motion on Nuclear Deal or 123 agreements even though we are enough problems to solve. I understand that all the political leaders irrespective of the left, right, small parties, are supporting nuclear deal, but they wants to clear some clarifications which has to be rectified or corrected before they goes to sign the agreement finally. Instead of bringing a trust motion at this later stage, UPA had to make a two days special session of parliament for the discussion of nuclear deal in Parliament and find out an amicable and favourable passing of bill after giving clarifications requested for by the elected members of Parliament thereby getting complete concensus on this issue. By making parliamentary democracy a mockery and coalition politics a farce, UPA Govt. is nothing to get but making our India a laughable. People around the world will make their already made opinion that India is a MERE BANANA DEMOCRACY!!!
As far as Nuclear Deal is concerned, it is good to get some temporary and short term solution. But frankly speaking NUCLEAR BASED TPS is danger and not eco-friendly which may further add global warming very very large level.
RE:80% of Indian people today discuss Nuclear Deal. People are taking the book, LEFT STAND ON NUCLEAR DEAL as hot cake. People are attracked CPI(M) today than earlier.
by raj on Jul 17, 2008 04:43 PM Permalink
lols. opportunists left ? never!
"Dr Purkaystha says the cost of the per KW nuclear energy at present was $4000, a cost at which a thermal power plant based on solar energy would produce the same amount of power, minus the hazards of the nuclear radiation and the fear of stoppage of supplies of fuel by the US and other suppliers in future" Don't you guys think that this statement is of great importance and no one is paying any heed to it.It also comes from a technical person and not articulate generals who just love to play with words and do not know difference between nuclear fission and fusion.
RE:Ok..It may have no hidden losses for India but still..
by hiral joshi on Jul 17, 2008 04:59 PM Permalink
Absolutely true. Well spotted. I am for renewable energy resources.
RE:Ok..It may have no hidden losses for India but still..
by kieran dsouza on Jul 17, 2008 09:50 PM Permalink
I agree fully with Dr Purkastha. We have abundant natural resources like solar, hydel, tidal, biogas, wind, biofuel from trees and shrubs (not crops), besides coal and petroleum
So as common sense dictates we make use of our natural resources first before going headlong into a controversial nuclear deal which should be the last resort.
R Chidambaram Says that Only 2.86% of Total Installed Capacity is N Energy. And At 50% utilisation, That means only 1.43% of N Energy of Total Consumption. i.e., Just 21 Minutes per day.
Thus The Hurry for the Deal And Citing Dearth of N-Fuel is just a Bluff of the Con-gress Govt.
RE:R Chidambaram Says
by TheOneAndOnly on Jul 17, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
Just another Year
This N-Deal is only about the Political Pressure to Sell off Indian Sovereignity to the Western World.
A lot of Projects are initiated to Mine Indian Uranium And All of them are destined to deliver by 2009 or 2010.
Any Mining will not take more than 1.5yrs to start production.
This Con-gress wants to push this deal And Then Say, But for this Deal, we would have had NO Uranium.
We Are abt to get Self-Sufficiency by 2010. And All Western Countries are eager to Mine Uranium from Indian Mines. May be, We even have a lot more Uranium Reserves than publicised.
