Corruption in Army is hurts me a lot as I belongs to the area where every family have at least a defense personal. Corruption is army can not be surfaces due to discipline. But there are lots of people who are not corrupt and there are there just to serve the nation. One of my relative tried hard to join the defense forces but in vain although his 3 brothers were already in army his father and forefather etc all were in army. So being from army back ground does not help him. Now he is in a multinational bank and earning a handsome amount. But still he misses army.
RE:Army
by google on Jan 24, 2008 08:06 PM Permalink
>> Corruption in Army is hurts me a lot as I belongs to the area where every family have at least a defense personal-Indrash Uniyal
>> Well said son. I am a retired Army Officer and I can vouch for it without any reservation. Stary-eyed patriotic young lads, full of nationalistic fervour after few years in Service realise that Army too like Civil Service is a den of corruption, particularly at the top. There are Generals and other officers of high rank who blantantly used Army funds (Public Money) to dig swimming pools in their houses, send parties to Himachal to procure choicest apples for their wifes etc. Most atrocious things have been done in the Army but kept under tight wraps in the name of discipline!!. Many youngsters after few years realise this and become dejected that they have sacrificed their lives for an illusionary and undemocratic way of life. I am not advocating youngsters to take up jobs in MNCs but only reminding them about the pitfalls they may face in their career. Even Promotions are stage-managed. If you are thick-skinned and comfortable with corruption Services is a good career. Otherwise you are well-advised to look for a civil employement.
RE:Army
by Vivek M on Jan 24, 2008 08:47 PM Permalink
Polticians are Cancerous cells of this society. Now they are peneterating even the Armed forces. They are trying to spread thier proffession there also.
Comparision should be made in terms of CTC and not just on lowest basic scale of an army officer. If one counts CTC just like MNC does, an army officer gets still heigher than a comman civilian. We can not overlook the lucrative facilities they get from government.I would say what they get in their acccount is just a part of big amount which should be calculated and should also be known to everyone.Than only a true comparision could be outlined.
RE:Takeout CTC of Armed Forces
by unni krishnan on Jan 24, 2008 08:07 PM Permalink
if u think lucrative i would like to ask what is lucrative for army people the grocery which they get in canteen or the drinks they get in canteen ,how much grocery can a family use a family might nedd some 3 -4 soaps 3-4 washing powder 5-10 bottles of liquor a stale ration and these thing u think as lucrative for army men with a mere salry of 8000rs ,if u think that was so lucrative y dont u join army,u dont have the guts,i rmeber one of my friend who joined army and was poste in siachen he says he has loss of memorry bit he has forgotenb the good college days,might be due to the pressure of the envoriment.india is the only country i would say army men are treated like dogs in usa when a rmy men is seen theyacknowledge them by saying thanku sir for protecting us,but people like u kirti good for nothing just know to criticise the gr8 soldiers who protect us.if u have guts go and stay in khardungla minus 60degree where army men are posted for atleast 1 day.
RE:Takeout CTC of Armed Forces
by kirti mishra on Jan 24, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
Krishnan, u r really gettin very emotional....siachen .......siachen.........siachen..........wht nxt and remember always when u r on outdoor shooting den wht u get for it. whts ur salary?? hw much do u invest for everythin u wrote ?? hw much do u save after this?? i think u dont have any idea of the real benefit....... did u ever face problem in trains in general compartment when these warrior bring out an army licensed gun just for the sake of a window seat.........and listen wht they say they ll have no harm killing one or two civilians........god knows how they fight for the same civilian whom they themself ready to kill inside own country..........plz also let me know how these warriors serve nation except during wars or emergency....... two hrs jogging ........playing golf.........drninkin and dancing in evening clubs........they relax like they ve won the world........They are also serving nation like uany other coutryman.......yes the difference is there thats why people enter into army........not because they ve strong feelings for their nation but wht they c in advertisement and listen frm their freinds........so its better to think on practical ground.........every civilian is equally servin the nation and gettin its reward........they are not very special as we make them!!
RE:Takeout CTC of Armed Forces
by chakra Gudipati on Jan 24, 2008 09:30 PM Permalink
Wrong kirti!!!u r absolutely wrong!!!An ultimate price that a human pays is with his life. The army pays this price when needed. Do the civilians do that? so what if they relax like they have won the world? so what if they demand a window seat in the train?? dont you ask for a window seat when u check-in in at the airport? dont you spend u r money to buy luxuries for yourself with the salary u get? didnt u ever go to dance clubs inthe evening?? u have done all this but u will never be ready to give up u r life when needed, would you RAMBO?
RE:Takeout CTC of Armed Forces
by kirti mishra on Jan 24, 2008 10:05 PM Permalink
a train driver........a commercial pilot........a truck driver.......even the people travellin in......... wht do u say r they less patriotic? or they didn t ve guts to make into it in army..... all r at equal risk like our heroes at front.........how many wars ve u seen?.....checkout the budgets allocated for them........i ll never put a gun for window seat anyway.......neither u would do so.......not coz v dont ve guts and guns but coz v dont ve army courts.......yes i enjoy wid my income .....they should enjoy too...but not at the cost of common civilians ( i mean wht v pay everymonth)......did u ever try to get an idea of how costly a game of golf is??........anyway u also pay a cost for life in form of insurance......their handsome insurance not only paid by the govt but also c their family members get gas agency, petrol pump....n many more.......is an engineer or doctor or even a clerk servin in the country less patriotic than our real heroes?? NO NEVER i d say rather they r more than them coz they r d one who really pay them!!
Ya these guys have taken a good decision..But with the rising inflation there is no point it would be impossible to survive with the meagre salary given to these guys...and has some one thought about families of defense personnel after their death or injury..nobody knows what is their plight...ya the media covers the funeral and done they r gone..so sometimes it is good to be selfish
It is true But count on the number of incentives and fringe benefits any armymen get over a common man and everyone shall see the milk and water. Quarter Ration Communication Travelling Etc Add this and you will find that 8000 shoots to 17000. So why make fuss about it???? Yes, we should be proud of them and always back them when the situation arises They are special and will remain as they have to go through a disciplined and rigorous training, which a common man in India does not.
RE:salary structure argument baseless
by sushil gera on Jan 24, 2008 09:46 PM Permalink
Dear Chemscifi,will you knowingly face the bullet of an unknown human, even if i give you 170000 a month. Think about it.Kindly know the facts before you write. Even a Jawan pays from his pocket when the service accomodation is not available.because civilians want to make money from the Jawan's pay who is on a remote post in a jungle/hill/snow area/high altitude and his family with children is staying in a rented accomodation, as it is there is no civil communication between the soldier and the family. and the soldier takes two days of trekking to reach nearest base to catch a train or bus. Think, think before you write about perks in Defence. let us be real time. Air Warrior
There are Boys and there are men ! The MNC's and Corporates have snatched Lakhs of Men and women from being a soldier. The Army gives just one chance to serve the Nation which is a blessing not many get. I regret not being a Topgun Pilot ( GDP ) due to my poor eye sight but that couldn't deprive me of serving the Indian Air Force for 20 ( I won't say 'long' )dedicated and meritorious years as an Airman. Remember guys The Indian Army / Air Force / Navy pays you less, but, pays you longer. Life long. After you your family gets paid. If you wanna know what honour and pride is all about you need to ask Manvir Singh Son of Naib Subedar Chunni Lal. Nb Sub. Chunni Lal is to be awarded Ashok Chakra this Republic Day for his Bravery. He is already decorated with Vir Chakra and Sena Medal earlier for his valour. I think its like being given Bonus , increment or incentives cheques in corporate, to many out there. But ,believe me guys You can always get a corporate job after a career in the Army but never the other way. You only get a chance to serve you nation ONCE. I got it and I was lucky.I am proud I served the IAF as Airman.
The Indian Defense force is a blessing to the people of India, the only force which is honest to a great extent and have been able to defend and crush our enemies successfully even if our governments attitude is spineless against countries whose status is like that of a rat in front of us, Indian defense force is a gift for most Indians who probably dont even know the meaning of the term "Nationalism"..... I salute the men and women of our country's defense forces, keep the good work going on.
This would be mean to call army men corrupt just because few of them are. We know for ourselves that Kargil was fought and won and who lost his life. No one from the house hold could manage to go to the border and serve as a nursing men or any helping hand just because we have taken all the army people for granted. But the better part of this "taken granted" situation is that we beleive our army and you do not beleive a corrupt man, so they are proven honest people. We should think of sending more and more people to armed forces and those with courage should go for it. Death can come any time anywhere but the life given for nation takes to the infinte abode.
there is a world of diff between serving and getting paid for service and charging for service you do . Armed forces are in a service which at peace time no one wants to invest in . All other kind of service ppl do is merely to survive at individual level.
RE:Patriotism..
by Zaveri on Jan 24, 2008 07:03 PM Permalink
Very reasponable point. But in fact how many doctors and engineers are selecting their profession to serve the nation. We have seen the response of the medicos to the compulsory term in villages. Compared to the doctors or engineers the army is least corrupted organization in our country.
RE:Patriotism..
by vijay on Jan 24, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
Just shut up! That person has committed his life to take a bullet for this country and you. Willingly he is ready to do that. If you can join them else be proud of them. What ever we do will always be less then our ability to give up life.
RE:Patriotism..
by Ranjan Bhadra on Jan 24, 2008 07:11 PM Permalink
That's a responsible approach. I haven't seen India ever decorating any engineer or doctor. We dont have any good awards in the first place. Its a one-page one-time glory for our scientists and engineers for their lifetime work. Is it worth???. If we keep haing such a biased approach towards patriotism, the army ll keep on importing second grade arms and ammunition.
RE:Patriotism..
by bhaskar on Jan 24, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Exactly, thats on thing these guys dont understand.They think they have a monopoly on patriotism etc. They will go hammer and tongs at all civilians.Granted they are doing a tough job..but why the contempt for other professions ? Why are many army officers seeking voluntary retirement to join the corporate world ? Will the patriotism displayed by these youngsters last once they face reality ?
With all due respects to the Indian Armed Forces management, its impossible to belive that there is a shortage of officers. I think the Indian establishment still depends on the cadets shown in the article above but with todays time, why cant the Army go to the CAMPUS and advertise themselves. I am pretty sure they can get their officers, infact more than what they have now.
There are many people waiting there to find the LAKSHYA, if the army goes to them, it will be the best thing.
RE:Jai Hind Jai Jawan.
by V S on Jan 24, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
well the problem is that most civilians or people raised in civilian background are not able to clear the services selection board interviews because they are simply not having the personality traits to become an officer.
RE:Jai Hind Jai Jawan.
by subash chandar on Jan 24, 2008 09:03 PM Permalink
Not like everyone who is working in corporate world don't dream about serving the nation by joining armed forces..I applied for Naval college of engineering and had my SSB interview in lonavala.. But only one guy was selected from our batch of 96 students though i felt i was seriously good enough to be in the top 10... Sometimes you need to be the best... now iam a software engineer,but i dearly miss being a naval officer.. Long live these brave men.... JAI HIND....
