I think Tanthri is right in what he did. He is abiding by the law that governes the day to day administration of the temple. There are any number of Non-Hindu tourists getting into the temple. Tanthri has done it only when he knew for sure that some known Non-Hindu has entered the temple. Like Judges going by the constitution, Tanthri has to go by the rule book. It is written and he is duty bound to follow what is stated as remedy. One has to see whether rules writtern can be changed and if yes in what way. This cannot happen at Tanthri's level and the ball game is different with peoples belief etc. The respected minister as an individual should not be pained by what is done post his son's entry. God is with him and he should consider that Tanthri has done only his duty.
I request to edit the title.... If injusticce was done to him, let him say "Priest's arrogance" not "Brahminical arrogance" Mind your words before you write something about religion.... Each temple has its own rules and regulations, you cannot dictate a temple to satisfy your wishes.... The temple is not dicriminating on ethnicity, caste or creed... All that it says is only Hindus are allowed, which is absolutely fine because they do not want people who do not have faith in the temple and its God to come to the temple... The temple wants only those people who have faith and devotion towards the God, to come to the temple... It is not a picnic place or amusement pard fr everybody to visit.... Even though Hindus visit the temple and if the priests show high-handedness then it is the proest's fault not the temple's fault or the God's fault or Brahmin community's fault....
RE:RE:Stop using the words
by dhulipala manoj on Jun 04, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
that is what I wrote you dumbas... if you dont understand english ask Ravi to teach you... do you think you are an editor of a newspaper or what?? if you want to write about something try to write your opinion on the subject not about other's posts you mthr fkr
RE:Stop using the words
by Bihari Lalu on Jun 04, 2007 07:23 PM Permalink
I tend to agree with you. If there is a bomb blast somewhere, We dont immediately call it say an "Islamic Blast". Basically, brahmins are soft targets. So, just learn to live with such statements.
I entirely sympathize with Mr. Vyalar Ravi and his family. Hinduism in its broadest sense is a universal religion conferring freedom of belief,worship,practice and advocates Sanathanadharma. Unfortunately such lofty faith is marred by the action of a few who totally ignore the tenets/prescriptions of the universality of Hinduism but practice narrow outlooked customs which ought to be thrown out in this 21st century. Lord Krishna who says in His Bhagavd Gita that he is present in all living forms and commends the self-less service done to the living beings irrespective of their birth, caste,creed, form etc. is the true worship and a pathway to salvation = was himself born as a cow-herd - a low caste by the standard of the so called enlightened - is worshipped in all His glory by all including the upper castes. Then why discriminate the human beings and hurt sentiments? This act itself is an abuse of Lord.
RE:will temple priest will accept this?
by Rahman CN on Jun 04, 2007 07:24 PM Permalink
I symopathise for you the third rate.. crap in this fake name...... PThooooo....
RE:will temple priest will accept this?
by prasad gudipati on Jun 04, 2007 07:36 PM Permalink
I totally agree with you. One small correction. Krishna was not born as a cow-herd. He is born as a Khatriya and was raised by cow-herd.
RE:RE:will temple priest will accept this?
by Surya on Jun 04, 2007 07:33 PM Permalink
Bhaskar Chattopadhyay
Xtian, wants to live peacefully and does not want to visit Rotten places, its her husbands clans men who blieve in rotten beliefs. She is not on picnic but went to a rotten place so she is facing the rotten smell of hindu culture wo doesnt accept a fellow human who wants to visit.
RE:RE:RE:RE:will temple priest will accept this?
by prasad gudipati on Jun 04, 2007 07:38 PM Permalink
I would like to know why that progressive wife of Ravi did not convert into Hinduism, as typically most of the hindu women who marry orhter religious ppl do
it is wrong for the pujaris to do purification after the visit as mr ravi's wife is christian. in this age of science i do not know when will our pujaris learn that god is same for everyone. this type of activity spoils the name of hinduism. the question of purification should arise only if someone does some immoral activity in the temple.
Bhramins preserved our vedic culture during the Taliban style Mughal Rule for 500 Years. In the process of preservence they have become narrow minded. Now it is high time they must come out of the protective shell to stop religious conversions. All Hindus are equal there should not be any difference. We must clean our backyard before blaming other religions on Conversion.
I personally saw a Dalit being Humiliated by the Bhramin Preist in a temple in Tirupati (not in Tirumala). I was so much pissed that I could not prevent something bad happening in front of me.
Personally I was humilated by Bhramins during my childhood, but I cannot blame the whole Bhramin community for that. There are some ignorant culprits who tarnish Hindusim by there mean acts. They should not be called as Bhramin. No Body can claim as a Bhramin by Birth, it is only by noble actions a person can be called Bhramin. Wearing a Thread over the body and chanting Gayartri few times does not make somebody Bhramin. Remember Lord Krishna was born in Yadava Kula and Lord Rama was born as a Shatriya.
The whole caste system must be abolished in India.
RE:A Fundamental Change is needed...
by biz Narayan on Jun 04, 2007 07:17 PM Permalink
You will be taken over by the marxists or any ideological cult/religion, including christians/muslims if you talk on ideal. Some Brahmins whom you hate, still defending the best elements of hinduism. They are doing it lonely, sometimes out of habbit , out of caste. 5 Paise ideology of universalism is so cheap, you may be losing important stuff.
The Brahmins knew Sri Rama was born as a Khsyatriya.
The Almighty cannot be hurt, insulted, injured or glorified by man who does not even know what the following morning has in store for him. The question of "right" and the "wrong" in-between God and human being are matters purely between the two alone. The job of the Gurukkal, Poojari or the Namboodiri is to perform his ordained duty in the sanctum sanctorum and nothing else. The entire episode has left a very bad taste in the hearts of so many believers who are afraid of injuring the feelings of even an insect and what to talk of injuring a fellow human being like Vayyalar Ravi? I am really sorry that this should have happend to anybody at all. Earlier Jesudas also had to undergo more or less a similar ordeal. I don't think there is anyone who can match Shri Jesudas' devotion when he sings songs in his melodious voice in praise of Shri Krishna. With so much of politics these days even in matters divine, it is very discouraging to visit Temples. On the one hand you have anti-Hindu communists and DMK politicians like Karunanidhi who are bent upon destroying Hindu Temple endowments made by Kings and Emperors of the past. On the other you have overzealous ignoramuses such as the high priests of the Guruvayur temple bent upon destroying Hindu way of worship. Such acts only strengthen the hands of anti-Hindu forces. But then who are going to educate these foolish priests on these lines? Even if someone does, will they understand?
The first one is saying Nair and Namboodthiri, both aare matriarchal, which is not the case. Namboothiri, the Kerala Brahmin follows Patriarchism.
The second one is saying Guruvayoorappan is an avatar of Lord Krishna. He is not considered as avtar of Krishna, but Krishna himself, more specifically Krishna as an infant.
And the third is Ravi saying the whole issue is because he is of backward caste Ezhava. The issue was his wife being Christian and Hindu Temples in Kerala does'nt allow non hindus to enter temple premises.
So his son was not considered a Hindu because his mother was Christian.
Ravi has every right to feel aggrieved but being a responsibe citizen and a leader of status he should not distort facts ang give it a casteist colour. Especially in Kerala's background where casteism is not at all prevelant.
RE:There are three wrong points in this Article.
by Jairaj on Jun 04, 2007 07:32 PM Permalink
Further Mr Ravi says that he is an untouchable but the truth is that the ezhava's them selves practice untouchability and Sri Narayana Guru him self had asked his followers to desist from it. In fact Kumaran Ashan has written a poem on this practice of untouchability. So Mr Ravi should get his facts right before converting this broad issue into a narrow ezhava vs brahamin issue.
